Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-26 Thread Lee Evans
What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group 
as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not 
fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for 
over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They 
were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. 
One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The 
other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. 
He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely 
two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. 
I also found a wonderful  person who had had losses from feline leukemia but 
was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at 
life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I 
begged her to take ( I think
 she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ 
cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and 
counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed.






 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Hi,
Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting?  
 However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. 
 Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. 

Shelley


On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 
 
 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is 
 as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in 
 with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, 
 grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter 
 boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. 
 They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout 
 their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they 
 had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested 
 again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I 
 could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, 
 they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the 
 bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down 
 and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They
 passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been 
living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and 
renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it 
doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that 
did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix 
positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who 
are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little 
marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also 
have a small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a 
wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are 
not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-26 Thread trustinhim13
Lee makes a point, You probably do not want to mix a FL+ cat with others 
if that cat is a fighter. My Pookie is a total marshmellow. And he 
doesn't even like to mingle with the other cats. He'll be in the same 
room with them, but never grooms or lies next to them. Also this summer 
when he was symptomatic, he was separated into his own room. I have 
heard that what most often kills FL+ cats is an infection that they 
cannot fight because the virus attacks their immune system. My holistic 
vet, besides the accupuncture, has proscribed Wei Qi (Way chee) for his 
immune system. He is also on Standard Process Feline Immune System 
Support. The regular vets will not know about these (sadly). The Baytril 
(regular vet) knock out what secondary infection he came up with, and 
the accupuncture and these other herbs brought him to full health. 
Because the holistic vet was so helpful, I would recommend them to 
anyone. No kiddingone day he was not eating and running a 
tempthe day after the accupuncture, he jumped on my lap, had a cold 
nose, and started eating. I don't care how it works.but it did for 
him. Grateful mom..



On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my 
general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow 
personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two 
feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together 
in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for 
those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away 
quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other 
simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the 
edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are 
the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when 
the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful  person who had had 
losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the 
heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats 
I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to 
take ( I think
 she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster 
another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has 
been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws 
crossed.








From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 
6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing


Hi,
Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your 
posting? 
However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular 
group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or 
turned.


Shelley


On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:




From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that 
FeLv is as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had 
two cats mixed in with 8 others. They all lived together in cat 
harmony for many years, grooming each other, eating, drinking 
together and using the same litter boxes. They lived in love and 
happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, 
around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their 
lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they 
had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them 
tested again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from 
something I could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both 
had renal failure, they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the 
virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but when their 
immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, 
the virus took hold also. They
 passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who 
had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died 
of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became 
actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such 
close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not 
test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with 
my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either 
negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who 
are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a 
small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a 
wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude 
and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly.







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