[Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

[Margo]

Just as general information, and only my opinion.

I have many cats. They live in groups, and occasionally one crosses from one 
group to another, or at least they did. All cats in my house have been FeLV 
tested at least twice (a minimum of 45 days apart), and all
tested negative by Elisa. Two years ago in March, after blocking and 
subsequently going precipitously downhill, my Gribble tested positive for FeLV. 
After a major struggle, we got him back, at least for now. I now only test with 
routine bloodwork, or when someone is sick. One other cat has come up positive. 
He previously tested negative 3 times.

My point in all this is that I no longer believe negative means negative. I 
feel that the virus can become dormant in the bone marrow, and re-emerge to 
cause active infection. So I figure all I can do is now keep the groups 
separate, and vaccinate any incomers. Two cats have come in with special needs, 
and both live with the positives, because they also need monitoring. They are 
vaccinated.

It's a crap shoot :(

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie 
>Sent: Sep 30, 2015 4:27 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco
>
>Kelley,
>-
>My vet told me it is very difficult for FelV cats to give the virus
>to other adult cats. It is a different story with kittens who are
>very susceptible, as their immune systems are not fully developed.
>I've personally found that kittens born with FelV from a positive
>mother almost always die. However, I have 10 adult cats who have been
>with two FelV pos. cats for 5 years and none of them have become
>positive.  FelV is not easily transmitted to adult cats, even when
>they share food and water bowls.
>
>Lorrie
>
>n 09-29, Kelley wrote:
>
>> By the way, various vets have told me regarding mixing vaccinated
>> negatives and positives everything from "FELV is so contagious that
>> if a positive cat licks a blade of grass and your negative cat
>> comes along and licks the same blade of grass they will be
>> infected" to "it's no big deal." So at this point I have to wonder
>> how much good "a vet told me" is.
>> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

[dlgegg]

i AGREE.  mY aNNIE CAME FROM AN ONLY CAT HOME, HER OWNER DIES OF LIVER CANCER.  
sHE SPEND 3 WEEKS LOCKED UP IN A SMALL TRAILER WITH SOMEONE COMING IN TO PUT 
OUT FOOD AND CHANGE HER BOX.  THEN SHE WAS PUT IN A CARDBOARD BOX AND BROUGHT 
TO VET AND I PICKED HER UP AND TOOK HER TO A LARGE HOUSE, 2 PEOPLE AND ANOTHER 
CAT.  SHE TESTED POSITIVE.  sHE HAD ALWAYS BEEN NEGATIVE.  i BELIEVE STRESS CAN 
CAUSE A CAT TO BECOME POSITIVE.  i HAVE HAD HER NOW FOR 5 YEARS LIVING AT TIMES 
WITH 7 NEGATIVES.  THEY ALL EAT AND DRINK FROM THE SAME BOWLS, SLEEP WHEREVER 
THEY WANT, WRESTLE AND PLAY.  EVERYONE IS HEALTHY.  THE ONES THAT HAVE DIED 
WERE 18 OR 19 OR 20 AND OLD AGE DID THEM IN.
 Margo  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Just as general information, and only my opinion.
> 
> I have many cats. They live in groups, and occasionally one crosses from one 
> group to another, or at least they did. All cats in my house have been FeLV 
> tested at least twice (a minimum of 45 days apart), and all
> tested negative by Elisa. Two years ago in March, after blocking and 
> subsequently going precipitously downhill, my Gribble tested positive for 
> FeLV. After a major struggle, we got him back, at least for now. I now only 
> test with routine bloodwork, or when someone is sick. One other cat has come 
> up positive. He previously tested negative 3 times.
> 
> My point in all this is that I no longer believe negative means negative. I 
> feel that the virus can become dormant in the bone marrow, and re-emerge to 
> cause active infection. So I figure all I can do is now keep the groups 
> separate, and vaccinate any incomers. Two cats have come in with special 
> needs, and both live with the positives, because they also need monitoring. 
> They are vaccinated.
> 
> It's a crap shoot :(
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lorrie 
> >Sent: Sep 30, 2015 4:27 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco
> >
> >Kelley,
> >-
> >My vet told me it is very difficult for FelV cats to give the virus
> >to other adult cats. It is a different story with kittens who are
> >very susceptible, as their immune systems are not fully developed.
> >I've personally found that kittens born with FelV from a positive
> >mother almost always die. However, I have 10 adult cats who have been
> >with two FelV pos. cats for 5 years and none of them have become
> >positive.  FelV is not easily transmitted to adult cats, even when
> >they share food and water bowls.
> >
> >Lorrie
> >
> >n 09-29, Kelley wrote:
> >
> >> By the way, various vets have told me regarding mixing vaccinated
> >> negatives and positives everything from "FELV is so contagious that
> >> if a positive cat licks a blade of grass and your negative cat
> >> comes along and licks the same blade of grass they will be
> >> infected" to "it's no big deal." So at this point I have to wonder
> >> how much good "a vet told me" is.
> >> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[Amani Oakley]

Kelley

He sounds quite wonderful, and a good vet on your side is so very critical. 
Hopefully he will go the extra mile to get you a few Winstrol tablets to get 
you started quickly, if there is a problem getting more.

With the Convenia, Coco should be okay until tomorrow.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: October-02-15 11:44 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

I don't think he has a problem providing the Winstrol.  He's pretty agreeable.  
He's one of my favorite vets ever. After Merlin died he told me he once took 
home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10 months.  I read 
between the lines - someone asked him to PTS those kittens after they tested 
pos.  This in contrast to one of my old vets who had a sign on his door any 
cats or kittens left at the door would be humanely euthanized.  He does not see 
much FELV+ in his practice so he does not know, but he is generally willing to 
get me whatever i ask for. Michelle is asleep right now so I can't do anything. 
 No car.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM, 
> wrote:
I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it.

 Amani Oakley > 
wrote:
> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the 
> Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. 
> Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were 
> nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, 
> more times than I can count.
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kelley S
> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM
> To: felvtalk
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
>
> She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am going 
> back Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some baby food 
> tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:()
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley 
> >>
>  wrote:
> Kelley
>
> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam 
> environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to 
> rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up 
> their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge 
> you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and 
> appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is 
> experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down 
> and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long 
> lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even 
> more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can 
> get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my 
> cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I 
> have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a 
> good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you 
> shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
>  On Behalf Of Kelley S
> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
> To: felvtalk
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update
>
> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke me 
> and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did not 
> have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of a can 
> of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better off 
> with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he 
> is very concerned.
>
> Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[dlgegg]

Agreed, the baby food will really help.  Do anything needed to get her to eat.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Kelley
> 
> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam 
> environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to 
> rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up 
> their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge 
> you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and 
> appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is 
> experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down 
> and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long 
> lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even 
> more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can 
> get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my 
> cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I 
> have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a 
> good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you 
> shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kelley S
> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
> To: felvtalk
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> 
> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke me 
> and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did not 
> have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of a can 
> of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better off 
> with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he 
> is very concerned.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[Kelley S]

I don't think he has a problem providing the Winstrol.  He's pretty
agreeable.  He's one of my favorite vets ever. After Merlin died he told me
he once took home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10
months.  I read between the lines - someone asked him to PTS those kittens
after they tested pos.  This in contrast to one of my old vets who had a
sign on his door any cats or kittens left at the door would be humanely
euthanized.  He does not see much FELV+ in his practice so he does not
know, but he is generally willing to get me whatever i ask for. Michelle is
asleep right now so I can't do anything.  No car.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM,  wrote:

> I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get
> it.
>
>  Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source
> the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to
> find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you
> were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you
> are, more times than I can count.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Kelley S
> > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM
> > To: felvtalk
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >
> > She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am
> going back Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some
> baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to
> drive me:()
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:
> > Kelley
> >
> > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high
> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks
> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the
> smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with
> kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build
> up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very
> quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because
> she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he
> can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to
> be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken
> and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may
> like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily
> on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest,
> full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I
> can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S
> > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
> > To: felvtalk
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >
> > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke
> me and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did
> not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of
> a can of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better
> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night.
> But he is very concerned.
> >
> > Kelley
> >
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[Felvtalk] Coco update

[Kelley S]

My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke me
and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did not
have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of a
can of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better
off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night.
But he is very concerned.

Kelley
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[Amani Oakley]

Kelley

If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam 
environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub 
on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their 
nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to 
wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and 
will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these 
problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off 
infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot 
like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would 
use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a 
plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the 
taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. 
It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if 
necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update

My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke me and 
told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did not have 
nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. 
 The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better off with us than 
in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very 
concerned.

Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[Kelley S]

She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am going
back Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some baby
food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive
me:()

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> Kelley
>
>
>
> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high
> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks
> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the
> smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with
> kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build
> up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very
> quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because
> she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he
> can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to
> be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken
> and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may
> like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily
> on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest,
> full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I
> can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* October-02-15 10:05 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Coco update
>
>
>
> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke
> me and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did
> not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of
> a can of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better
> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night.
> But he is very concerned.
>
>
>
> Kelley
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[Amani Oakley]

The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the 
Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. 
Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were nearby. 
I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, more times 
than I can count.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back 
Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some baby food 
tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:()

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
Kelley

If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam 
environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub 
on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their 
nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to 
wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and 
will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these 
problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off 
infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot 
like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would 
use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a 
plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the 
taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. 
It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if 
necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Kelley S
Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update

My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke me and 
told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did not have 
nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. 
 The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better off with us than 
in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very 
concerned.

Kelley

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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[dlgegg]

I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the 
> Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. 
> Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were 
> nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, 
> more times than I can count.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kelley S
> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM
> To: felvtalk
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> 
> She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am going 
> back Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some baby food 
> tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:()
> 
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > wrote:
> Kelley
> 
> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam 
> environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to 
> rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up 
> their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge 
> you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and 
> appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is 
> experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down 
> and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long 
> lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even 
> more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can 
> get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my 
> cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I 
> have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a 
> good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you 
> shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kelley S
> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
> To: felvtalk
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> 
> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke me 
> and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did not 
> have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of a can 
> of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better off 
> with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he 
> is very concerned.
> 
> Kelley
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