Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Lorrie]

You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.

Lorrie


On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us. 
> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Margo]

I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure that when 
I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know pretty well 
what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research the possibilities for 
that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple species and patients. I can 
focus. I like it when she also has input, and I think that together, we are 
better than either of us alone. Since the lymph node incident, we have found a 
way to get where we want to go in the best way possible. Recently my Vet found 
an off-label use for a new flea/tick med that saved my new dog from daily doses 
of a pretty toxic drug. I didn't know about it. And I am now trying to 
introduce her to Zeutering, which is a form of chemical castration that I am 
considering.

Of course, there are times...:)

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie 
>Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
>about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>
>Lorrie
>
>
>On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us. 
>> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
>> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Maya D'Alessio]

Merlot has taken a turn for the worse. He's having trouble breathing, a bit
dehydrated, not interested in food, and the vet thought she felt a lump in
his abdomen. We might have to make a hard choice tomorrow. I want to give
him the night to see if he improves at all.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Margo 
wrote:

>
> I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure that
> when I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know pretty
> well what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research the
> possibilities for that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple species
> and patients. I can focus. I like it when she also has input, and I think
> that together, we are better than either of us alone. Since the lymph node
> incident, we have found a way to get where we want to go in the best way
> possible. Recently my Vet found an off-label use for a new flea/tick med
> that saved my new dog from daily doses of a pretty toxic drug. I didn't
> know about it. And I am now trying to introduce her to Zeutering, which is
> a form of chemical castration that I am considering.
>
> Of course, there are times...:)
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lorrie 
> >Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> >
> >You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
> >about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
> >
> >Lorrie
> >
> >
> >On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> >
> >> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
> >> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> >>
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Amani Oakley]

Maya

I once again have to suggest that you put your foot down and demand the 
Winstrol. Obviously, and not surprisingly, what the vets are giving you is not 
working. The choice is yours but I would not give up without first trying the 
Winstrol. It sounds like his blood cells are very low, and as I have been 
saying all along, you need something to boost them. Ignore the lump in the 
abdomen. This will not be what takes him from you. It is the difficulty 
breathing which may indicate that his red cells/haemoglobin has dropped to the 
point where he is having trouble transporting sufficient oxygen. My Zander had 
to be put in an oxygen tent when this happened to him, until he got a blood 
transfusion.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: November-15-15 3:15 PM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

Merlot has taken a turn for the worse. He's having trouble breathing, a bit 
dehydrated, not interested in food, and the vet thought she felt a lump in his 
abdomen. We might have to make a hard choice tomorrow. I want to give him the 
night to see if he improves at all.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Margo 
> wrote:

I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure that when 
I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know pretty well 
what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research the possibilities for 
that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple species and patients. I can 
focus. I like it when she also has input, and I think that together, we are 
better than either of us alone. Since the lymph node incident, we have found a 
way to get where we want to go in the best way possible. Recently my Vet found 
an off-label use for a new flea/tick med that saved my new dog from daily doses 
of a pretty toxic drug. I didn't know about it. And I am now trying to 
introduce her to Zeutering, which is a form of chemical castration that I am 
considering.

Of course, there are times...:)

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie >
>Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
>about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>
>Lorrie
>
>
>On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
>> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
>>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[dlgegg]

My prayers are with you and Merlot.

 Anna Summers  wrote: 
> my thoughts are with you .
> 
> On 15 Nov 2015, at 12:14, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
> 
> > Merlot has taken a turn for the worse. He's having trouble breathing, a bit 
> > dehydrated, not interested in food, and the vet thought she felt a lump in 
> > his abdomen. We might have to make a hard choice tomorrow. I want to give 
> > him the night to see if he improves at all.
> > 
> > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Margo  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure that 
> > when I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know pretty 
> > well what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research the 
> > possibilities for that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple species 
> > and patients. I can focus. I like it when she also has input, and I think 
> > that together, we are better than either of us alone. Since the lymph node 
> > incident, we have found a way to get where we want to go in the best way 
> > possible. Recently my Vet found an off-label use for a new flea/tick med 
> > that saved my new dog from daily doses of a pretty toxic drug. I didn't 
> > know about it. And I am now trying to introduce her to Zeutering, which is 
> > a form of chemical castration that I am considering.
> > 
> > Of course, there are times...:)
> > 
> > Margo
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > >From: Lorrie 
> > >Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM
> > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> > >
> > >You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
> > >about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
> > >
> > >Lorrie
> > >
> > >
> > >On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> > >
> > >> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
> > >> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> > >>
> > >
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> > PhD student
> > B1 377B, x32320
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> > Biology GSA Vice Chair
> > GSA Director At-Large
> > University of Waterloo
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> Tel :00 34 670671493
> 
> CAMPING 6 ,
> (Camino de Guerrero, 62)
> El Palmar, 
> Vejer de la Frontera, 11159
> Cadiz
> Spain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Jane Gannon]

When should a cat be put on Winstrol?  How low should the RBC count be?  How 
long does it help and how long can they be on it?  Also how much does it 
cost?


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My prayers are with you and Merlot.

 Anna Summers  wrote:

my thoughts are with you .

On 15 Nov 2015, at 12:14, Maya D'Alessio wrote:

> Merlot has taken a turn for the worse. He's having trouble breathing, a 
> bit dehydrated, not interested in food, and the vet thought she felt a 
> lump in his abdomen. We might have to make a hard choice tomorrow. I 
> want to give him the night to see if he improves at all.

>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Margo  
> wrote:

>
> I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure 
> that when I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know 
> pretty well what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research 
> the possibilities for that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple 
> species and patients. I can focus. I like it when she also has input, 
> and I think that together, we are better than either of us alone. Since 
> the lymph node incident, we have found a way to get where we want to go 
> in the best way possible. Recently my Vet found an off-label use for a 
> new flea/tick med that saved my new dog from daily doses of a pretty 
> toxic drug. I didn't know about it. And I am now trying to introduce 
> her to Zeutering, which is a form of chemical castration that I am 
> considering.

>
> Of course, there are times...:)
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lorrie 
> >Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> >
> >You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
> >about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
> >
> >Lorrie
> >
> >
> >On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> >
> >> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
> >> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> >>
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Amani Oakley]

The question of how low the RBC count "should be" is really the wrong question. 
If your cat has problems with a low or dropping RBC count (and/or the retic 
count is abnormally low, showing that red cells are not regenerating), and 
possibly other cell lines are also dropping or dropped (platelets or white 
cells), try Winstrol - 1 mg 2 x a day. If the red cell count is REALLY low and 
it is an urgent situation, start the Winstrol at 2 mg x 2 a day. The Winstrol 
is great for re-starting red cell production, and increasing the RBC and 
haematocrit levels, and very likely a positive effect on the other cell lines.

Winstrol also boosts appetite, muscle development and improves general 
well-being.

You can keep a cat on Winstrol for months and months, and this is necessary 
when a cat is extremely anemic, or has other problems like lack of appetite, 
general malaise, etc. It is also very effective for muscle problems (eg pulled 
muscles) and other conditions like relatively minor spinal injuries.

What may happen is that the liver enzymes will rise, freaking out your vet, who 
will insist that the Winstrol be stopped. DON'T LISTEN. I had my cat on 
Winstrol for at least 60% of the next 7 years after his FeLV decompensation, 
and even though his liver enzymes would occasionally rise, there was never any 
liver damage and the enzymes would go back to normal when he was weaned off the 
Winstrol.

With my cat, after he was over the FeLV crisis (which took the better part of 
8-10 months on the Winstrol) and I weaned him off, I would watch for signs of 
the anemia returning (gums and ears and pads getting pale, licking of cement, 
etc.) and I would put him back on the Winstrol as needed for several months. 
Worked like a charm every time.

The cost is quite affordable. It's about 50 cents per 1 mg tablet.

Expect significant resistance from vets, who for some reason would rather 
prescribe known ineffective treatments like Prednisolone and antibiotics (which 
can never really address a FeLV crisis or condition). Other members of this 
chatline have indicated success with other treatments like Interferon or LTCI, 
but I carefully tracked my cat on these other treatments, with weekly blood 
tests, and at least for us, these other treatments didn't result in ANY 
increase in red cells, white cells, platelets or reticulocytes.   

At the outset of our cat's severe FeLV crisis, we had him on a combination of 
Winstrol, prednisolone and doxycline. As he improved, I reduced all the levels, 
and dropped off the other 2 and left him on the Winstrol.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
Gannon
Sent: November-15-15 11:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

When should a cat be put on Winstrol?  How low should the RBC count be?  How 
long does it help and how long can they be on it?  Also how much does it cost?

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes


> My prayers are with you and Merlot.
>
>  Anna Summers  wrote:
>> my thoughts are with you .
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2015, at 12:14, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>>
>> > Merlot has taken a turn for the worse. He's having trouble breathing, a 
>> > bit dehydrated, not interested in food, and the vet thought she felt a 
>> > lump in his abdomen. We might have to make a hard choice tomorrow. I 
>> > want to give him the night to see if he improves at all.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Margo  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure 
>> > that when I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know 
>> > pretty well what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research 
>> > the possibilities for that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple 
>> > species and patients. I can focus. I like it when she also has input, 
>> > and I think that together, we are better than either of us alone. Since 
>> > the lymph node incident, we have found a way to get where we want to go 
>> > in the best way possible. Recently my Vet found an off-label use for a 
>> > new flea/tick med that saved my new dog from daily doses of a pretty 
>> > toxic drug. I didn't know about it. And I am now trying to introduce 
>> > her to Zeutering, which is a form of chemical castration that I am 
>> > considering.
>> >
>> > Of course, there are times...:)
>> >
>> > Margo
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > >From: Lorrie 
>> > >Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM
>> > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>> > >
>> > >You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
>> > >about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>> > >
>> > >Lorrie