Re: [Felvtalk] Our cats

[dlgegg]

But that sinking feeling you get before you find him.


 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> We actually roamed the woods around our house until after 1 a.m. with
> flashlights looking for Tigger when the door got left open once. We were
> frantic and it was cold and snow on the ground etc. I had been all over the
> house looking for him in case he had not gotten out but with the door
> standing almost wide open I was sure he was outside. Finally about 3 a.m. on
> about my fifth trip to the basement, I spotted him up on a shelf just lying
> there quietly watching me and not reacting at all to my calls. Little turd!!
> But I was very happy to have him safe!
> Ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Our cats
> 
> Has anyone else had a day when you swore you were going to kill oe of them?
> The last couple of weeks, Annie my 6lb, positive baby has developed an urge
> to attack and kill all coons that come on our deck.  She normally will not
> go outside because things, sonds frighten her, but lately she tries to get
> out every time I open the door.  She got out this am and refused to come
> when called.  She was out for at least 1 hour.  I called and called, came in
> and called, maybe she came in on her own, went to the garage and got on my
> hands and knees to make sure she was not under my van.  Finally came in and
> said a prayer for her safety because I could not roam the woods looking for
> her (recently broke an arm).  Came into my parents room to do some work,
> just happened to glance at the flower shelves and there she was .  I called
> her and she never answered!  Of course I did not kill her, I was too
> glad to find her safe and sound!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] What happens to our cats when we are gone

[Rachel Dagner]

Well hopefully you will be around for a long time to come, I think you
said you are not adding anymore to your to home brood, which is good
because it will be less to handle for family when you someday, way, way in
the future "check out". It sounds like your sanctuary will be the best
place for them, if there are a few that can't adjust maybe a family member
can either help those or find them a good home. Are you going to leave the
sanctuary to the woman who lives there or your kids? You could maybe even
leave the sanctuary to an established WV rescue, that way they could keep
your legacy of saving lives going even after you are gone. If you are
feeling tired and it is too much for you, you could start transferring
some of the ones from home you think would do ok at the sanctuary, instead
of adding any new outside ones when one is adopted or passes away. After
all it's not like they are gone, they are just living in a different house
and you can visit them whenever you want, while not overwhelming yourself
with too much work at home.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What happens to our cats when we are gone

I remember that conversation about what would become of our cats when we
check out. At 83 I'm in good health, but time is against me.  I have 13
cats at home and three kids and three grown grandkids, but they all have a
bunch of animals of their own.  The wonderful lady who lives in my cat
sanctuary said she'd take them, but there are 25 cats there and it would
be a real burden for her, and some of my cats would freak out with that
many new cats, even tho there is a lot of space for them there.

I searched for other sanctuaries, but they are really expensive for as
many cats as we have.  Rustic Hollow was mentioned and sounds good, but
it's in Iowa or someplace far from us in WV.

Lorrie


>  I am actually thinking that next time around I will adopt a more
> senior cat. My age is getting to be more "senior" in nature,  and I
> worry that if my pets outlive me, what will happen to them?
>  Both of my kids say they would take them, but my daughter is more  of
> a dog person, and her hubby is very allergic to cats. And my  son
> loves cats, but is gone all the time traveling. I just  don't think
> either would be an ideal situation.
>
>  Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Our cats

[Lorrie]

On 06-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> Has anyone else had a day when you swore you were going to kill one
> of them?  

There are days when I tell my cats if they don't behave they are all
going to the China Wok... our local Chinese restaurant!  Of course I
am only kidding, but with 13 at home some days are pretty rough. I
love them all, but I'm old and tired, and having so many rescued cats
is very difficult at my age!

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] What happens to our cats when we are gone

[Lorrie]

I remember that conversation about what would become of our cats when
we check out. At 83 I'm in good health, but time is against me.  I
have 13 cats at home and three kids and three grown grandkids, but
they all have a bunch of animals of their own.  The wonderful lady
who lives in my cat sanctuary said she'd take them, but there are 25
cats there and it would be a real burden for her, and some of my cats
would freak out with that many new cats, even tho there is a lot of 
space for them there.

I searched for other sanctuaries, but they are really expensive for
as many cats as we have.  Rustic Hollow was mentioned and sounds
good, but it's in Iowa or someplace far from us in WV.

Lorrie


>  I am actually thinking that next time around I will adopt a more
>  senior cat. My age is getting to be more "senior" in nature,
>  and I worry that if my pets outlive me, what will happen to them?
>  Both of my kids say they would take them, but my daughter is more
>  of a dog person, and her hubby is very allergic to cats. And my
>  son loves cats, but is gone all the time traveling. I just
>  don't think either would be an ideal situation.
>  
>  Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

[dlgegg]

Is this something you can get and keep on hand just in case?  Being able to rub 
on the ear is great.  My guys do not want their mouths messed with and hate it 
when they need an oral medication.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Hi Ashley
> 
> I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of 
> the gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of a 
> problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example. Sometimes 
> it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often and not 
> usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and steroids will 
> usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets now in a 
> transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the inside of a 
> cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This is especially 
> important if their gums are sore or they have an infected tooth or more. It 
> hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one cat who has 
> stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her the transdermal 
> prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she will be able to eat 
> normally again.
> 
> However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis at 
> a level when it is really problematic.
> 
> Amani
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
> Sent: June-14-16 10:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had 
> numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. 
> I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but 
> they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so 
> much stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience no 
> two vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally 
> differ. Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do 
> antibiotics and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest 
> full extraction. I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions 
> on any cats since I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods and 
> they seem to respond well. That said, if a cat is really painful and not 
> responding to treatment, I have heard it is more humane to extract so they 
> are not in pain. If we had a cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't be 
> opposed to extractions. If I was going to do that, I think I'd want a 2nd 
> opinion to make sure that it is really necessary as I've seen vets that jump 
> to that too quickly.
> 
> As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, watch 
> their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure supplements 
> and other things help too but I just love mine and do everything I can to 
> keep them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have. I've had some that 
> live months and I have one that has been with me 12 years. Just enjoy Twigs 
> for whatever time you have.  I hope you have many happy years together.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> Amy
> 
> 
> From: ashley egger >
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:18 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
> 
> Hi there!
> I've been lurking for sometime, ever since my cat Twigs was diagnosed 
> about a year ago.  I figure it's time I post something and put myself out 
> there and hopefully some of you may have experience or suggestions with some 
> of things I'm facing.
> 
> Twigs is 2 years old, got him from a rescue where he tested negative and 
> was vaccinated against Felv.  Then he developed a cough, I took him to the 
> vet and got a terrible surprise- he tested positive (and had been exposed to 
> no other cats since adoption.) so I'm guessing he got it while with the 
> rescue or a false neg. the first time.Anyway- vet diagnosed Felv and 
> stomatitis, but his bloodwork was perfect.  He acts perfectly normal- eating, 
> playing, etc.  I am just filled with dread at the thought that he may not 
> always be like this. Back at the vet today for check-up- had them do another 
> Elisa test- still positive (damnit) but bloodwork still perfect and he has 
> actually gained weight (a plump healthy 10-11lbs) and vet said he seemed 
> remarkably healthy. He still has the cough and vet diagnosed asthma after I 
> showed her a video of him having one his "spells."  He does it on average 
> once a day or every other day.  She prescribed advair inhaler for the asthma 
> and full extraction of all his teeth for the stomatitis.
> 
> My questions I guess are:
> -Anyone have cat with both felv and asthma?  any concerns with inhaler use?  
> Is this 

Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

[dlgegg]

I have indeed been lucky and hope to continue being so.  Don't know what I 
would do without my babies.  Right now, Harley is exploring the pile of 
branches left by the tree man.  He just cut a 100' white Ok that was 3' from 
the corner of the house with the deck wrapped around it.  It died this year and 
was threatening my brand new roof and I knew the insurance company would not 
cover the damage if it fell.  Hated to see it go, gave lots of shade and was 
Harley's route to the roof.  Sure the downed branche will give lots of 
exploring.


 swacht1...@comcast.net wrote: 
> I guess you all have been lucky – or your kitty cats have been lucky – 
> stomatitis can be horrible – yes bad breath but lesions in the mouth – 
> infection – not to be taken lightly – especially with an FeLV kitty.  
> Speaking from experience – dealing with it now.
> 
> I do agree 2nd opinions are important.
> Sandy W
> 
> From: Amani Oakley 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM
> To: Amy ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
> 
> Hi Ashley
> 
>  
> 
> I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of 
> the gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of a 
> problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example. Sometimes 
> it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often and not 
> usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and steroids will 
> usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets now in a 
> transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the inside of a 
> cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This is especially 
> important if their gums are sore or they have an infected tooth or more. It 
> hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one cat who has 
> stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her the transdermal 
> prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she will be able to eat 
> normally again.
> 
>  
> 
> However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis at 
> a level when it is really problematic.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
> Sent: June-14-16 10:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
>  
> 
> I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had 
> numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. 
> I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but 
> they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so 
> much stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience no 
> two vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally 
> differ. Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do 
> antibiotics and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest 
> full extraction. I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions 
> on any cats since I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods and 
> they seem to respond well. That said, if a cat is really painful and not 
> responding to treatment, I have heard it is more humane to extract so they 
> are not in pain. If we had a cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't be 
> opposed to extractions. If I was going to do that, I think I'd want a 2nd 
> opinion to make sure that it is really necessary as I've seen vets that jump 
> to that too quickly.
> 
>  
> 
> As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, watch 
> their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure supplements 
> and other things help too but I just love mine and do everything I can to 
> keep them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have. I've had some that 
> live months and I have one that has been with me 12 years. Just enjoy Twigs 
> for whatever time you have.  I hope you have many happy years together.
> 
>  
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Amy
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: ashley egger 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:18 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
> 
>  
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> I've been lurking for sometime, ever since my cat Twigs was diagnosed 
> about a year ago.  I figure it's time I post something and put myself out 
> there and hopefully some of you may have experience or suggestions with some 
> of things I'm facing.
> 
>   
> 
> Twigs is 2 years old, got him from a rescue where he tested negative and 
> was vaccinated against Felv.  Then he developed a cough, I took him to the 
> vet and got a terrible surprise- he tested positive (and had been exposed to 
> no other cats since adoption.) so I'm guessing he got it while with 

Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

[dlgegg]

No need to apoligize, we have all been there at one time or another, maybe 
more.  It is an evil thing that takes our babies from us all to early.  I don't 
understand why vets and researchers do not do more to stop it.  I lost my 
Nitnoy to it.  There was nothing I did that helped  and I felt so helpless, 
angry.  Hopefully, someone will find a cure, preventative soon.  In the 
meantime, we will rely on support from those who know and understand to help us 
through the grief.  Will keep you in my prayers.


 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> I hate felv with all of my heart and soul. I wish it was it was something we 
> could all stomp on and strangle and beat the living daylights out of. I did 
> laundry tonight and washed the towel from Tucks carrier and vacuumed the 
> porch rug that had one of his claw sheds on it. I still miss him so much. I 
> love Josie but it's still hard to get over how unfair it is to lose our 
> babies to some stupid little micro organism virus that needs to be wiped from 
> the face of the earth. I pray everyday that someone finds a way to kill this 
> virus so no animal or human ever has to suffer from it again. I long for the 
> day when our little group is defunct because it is no longer needed. Sorry 
> for throwing this rant in, emotional day at the Dagner household, I just want 
> so badly for everyone's babies to be able to survive and for their humans to 
> not have to go through this. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:34 PM,  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I guess you all have been lucky – or your kitty cats have been lucky – 
> > stomatitis can be horrible – yes bad breath but lesions in the mouth – 
> > infection – not to be taken lightly – especially with an FeLV kitty.  
> > Speaking from experience – dealing with it now.
> >  
> > I do agree 2nd opinions are important.
> > Sandy W
> >  
> > From: Amani Oakley
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM
> > To: Amy ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
> >  
> > Hi Ashley
> >  
> > I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of 
> > the gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of 
> > a problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example. 
> > Sometimes it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often 
> > and not usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and 
> > steroids will usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets 
> > now in a transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the 
> > inside of a cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This 
> > is especially important if their gums are sore or they have an infected 
> > tooth or more. It hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one 
> > cat who has stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her 
> > the transdermal prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she 
> > will be able to eat normally again.
> >  
> > However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis 
> > at a level when it is really problematic.
> >  
> > Amani
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
> > Sent: June-14-16 10:04 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
> >  
> > Hi Ashley,
> >  
> > I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had 
> > numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. 
> > I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but 
> > they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so 
> > much stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience 
> > no two vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally 
> > differ. Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do 
> > antibiotics and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest 
> > full extraction. I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions 
> > on any cats since I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods 
> > and they seem to respond well. That said, if a cat is really painful and 
> > not responding to treatment, I have heard it is more humane to extract so 
> > they are not in pain. If we had a cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't 
> > be opposed to extractions. If I was going to do that, I think I'd want a 
> > 2nd opinion to make sure that it is really necessary as I've seen vets that 
> > jump to that too quickly.
> >  
> > As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, 
> > watch their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure 
> > supplements and other things help too but I just love mine and do 
> > everything I can to keep them healthy. Nobody knows how long 

Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

[Ardy Robertson]

Totally agree!!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

 

I hate felv with all of my heart and soul. I wish it was it was something we 
could all stomp on and strangle and beat the living daylights out of. I did 
laundry tonight and washed the towel from Tucks carrier and vacuumed the porch 
rug that had one of his claw sheds on it. I still miss him so much. I love 
Josie but it's still hard to get over how unfair it is to lose our babies to 
some stupid little micro organism virus that needs to be wiped from the face of 
the earth. I pray everyday that someone finds a way to kill this virus so no 
animal or human ever has to suffer from it again. I long for the day when our 
little group is defunct because it is no longer needed. Sorry for throwing this 
rant in, emotional day at the Dagner household, I just want so badly for 
everyone's babies to be able to survive and for their humans to not have to go 
through this. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:34 PM,  >  > wrote:

I guess you all have been lucky – or your kitty cats have been lucky – 
stomatitis can be horrible – yes bad breath but lesions in the mouth – 
infection – not to be taken lightly – especially with an FeLV kitty.  Speaking 
from experience – dealing with it now.

 

I do agree 2nd opinions are important.

Sandy W

 

From: Amani Oakley   

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM

To: Amy   ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

 

Hi Ashley

 

I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of the 
gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of a 
problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example. Sometimes 
it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often and not 
usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and steroids will 
usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets now in a 
transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the inside of a 
cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This is especially 
important if their gums are sore or they have an infected tooth or more. It 
hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one cat who has 
stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her the transdermal 
prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she will be able to eat 
normally again.

 

However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis at a 
level when it is really problematic.

 

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: June-14-16 10:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

 

Hi Ashley,

 

I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had 
numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. 
I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but 
they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so much 
stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience no two 
vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally differ. 
Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do antibiotics 
and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest full extraction. 
I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions on any cats since 
I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods and they seem to respond 
well. That said, if a cat is really painful and not responding to treatment, I 
have heard it is more humane to extract so they are not in pain. If we had a 
cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't be opposed to extractions. If I was 
going to do that, I think I'd want a 2nd opinion to make sure that it is really 
necessary as I've seen vets that jump to that too quickly.

 

As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, watch 
their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure supplements 
and other things help too but I just love mine and do everything I can to keep 
them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have. I've had some that live 
months and I have one that has been with me 12 years. Just enjoy Twigs for 
whatever time you have.  I hope you have many happy years together.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Amy

 


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