[Felvtalk] Question

2016-08-28 Thread Marlene Snowman
Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice too. I 
have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was just a little 
more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet has yet been able 
to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She isn't feral but her 
dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength and fight to stay alive. 
I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with astragalus and ligustrum 
twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on antibiotics for a nose and eye 
infection, not to mention the fleas, ear mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations 
on her legs when I first rescued her but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 
months at least. (So antibiotics for most of her life). She's gone from a pound 
to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a great improvement. The nose infection has never 
cleared, so boogers are a constant, although more a yellow to clear than the 
original greenish mucous. 

I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats well, 
drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. 

Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? 

Thanks 
Marlene 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

2016-08-28 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Sherri

Looking at the first set of results versus the second, I think there has been a 
good improvement.

The haematocrit went from 13 to 15.3 in just a few days on Winstrol. That is a 
definitive improvement.

The haemoglobin went from 4.0 to 5.3. Moving in the right direction. The 
haemoglobin is a molecule which sits on the red blood cells, and allows the red 
blood cells to carry oxygen to the organs and cells. When haemoglobin is too 
low, you will see symptoms of easy fatigue and being out of breath quickly. 
Bogie is starting to move around more because she has more ability to oxygenate 
her organs and tissues.

The MCH went from19.3 to above the upper limit of the reference range to 21.8. 
Though this is above the normal reference range, I suspect this is a temporary 
condition which represents the body compensating for low red cells and low 
haemoglobin. The MCH is the Mean Cell Haemoglobin levels. It is not measured 
directly by the haematology equipment, but rather, is a calculation of how much 
haemoglobin the average red cell is carrying so it is the haemoglobin level 
divided by the number of red cells. A high MCH suggests that the red cells are 
currently larger than normal (macrocytic anemia) and is likely the body's 
compensation mechanism to allow more oxygenation to occur with fewer red cells 
available. Another explanation is there is a significant population of 
reticulocytes (which the lab results confirms is correct) because this category 
of immature red cells is slightly larger than the mature red cells. I also 
think that this number may be erroneously elevated in circumstances where there 
are nucleated red cells in circulation. (Remember that nucleated red cells are 
immature red cells and are counted by the machine as white cells because the 
instrument is designed to count anything with a nucleus and a particular size 
as a white cell. Therefore, if there are a significant number of nucleated red 
cells, then when the machine calculates MCH, it will be dividing the amount of 
haemoglobin by a deceptively smaller number of red cells because the nucleated 
ones are not included in the denominator, and the result will be a falsely 
elevated MCH.) Either way, it is good news.

The first set of blood work shows that there are nucleated red cells in 
circulation (NRBC). The number is 7 which is quite elevated, and shows that 
Bogart was already trying to make new red cells and immature forms were found 
in the circulation. Unfortunately, the first blood work did not include a 
reticulocyte count (which is a different phase of immature red cells versus the 
nucleated ones) and the second blood work did not include a NRBC count, so we 
cannot see if there is an increase between first and second blood work when 
looking separately at the populations of the nucleated red cells and 
reticulocytes. However, as I mentioned in my earlier post, the reticulocyte 
count in the second blood work shows a strong push towards creating new red 
cells.

I agree with you that you must be cautious when comparing results from 
different labs. If you aren't running the blood on the same instrument, there 
will be a variation since the two machines will be calibrated differently. 
However, it isn't correct to say that because the reference ranges change, then 
the red blood cell count is lower in the second set of results. Reference 
ranges have nothing to do with the actual results. They are usually calculated 
by collecting a certain number of normal results (say 100) and establishing a 
high and a low number from the normal bloods. Often the manufacturer of the lab 
equipment will have done this work and will simply provide the range to the lab 
running the blood work. Just because a reference range is higher or lower in 
different labs doesn't mean that the actual result can be interpreted to be 
higher or lower in different labs. For now, I would suggest cautious optimism 
that there is a slight uptick in the red cell count between the first set and 
the second set. However, there is no question that the difference can certainly 
mean nothing more than lab variation. You will know more next time.

It is hard for me to tell what is happening in the white cell count because not 
all the white blood cell parameters are listed in either blood work. Usually, 
in addition to a total white cell count (WBC) the total is then broken down to 
the different types of white cells and numbers are given both as a count of 
cells seen but also as a percentage of overall white cells. In both sets of 
blood work, I see no neutrophil count. In neither do I see percentages either. 
What I do see is a rise in lymphocytes in the second blood work and that is 
what made me think of the Doxycycine. Often in FeLV, there is an abnormal 
increase of lymphocytes and the lymphocytes themselves are abnormal. (I do not 
see a manual assessment of the blood work, on either day, so again, I cannot 
tell if the lymphocytes are