Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool
Robert, I am treating my cat, Sooty, the way you are. I give him Probiotics, and Acidophiles/Pectin (Swanson capsules) 1/2 capsule each day. It has no flavor and Pectin is a well known, old fashioned remedy for diarrhea. I also give him a pinch of ground psyllium seed which I also get from Swanson online. He loves yogurt, too so he gets a dab of that at times. IBD is an awful disease to treat and all we can do is keep them going as long as we can. Sooty is 14 now and still enjoying life, but if the IBD turns into Lymphoma, which it can, I will have to have him PTS. Meanwhile I love and spoil him as much as I can. I try not to think about the possibility of Lymphoma. BTW, did your vet suggest B-12 injections? I give these to Sooty at home, once a week. Tiny needle - sub Q Lorrie On 08-15, Sandy wrote: >Robert more natural - like pumpkin or yogurt - is wise. I know >antibiotics play havoc with the intestinal system - good luck - I know >you will keep everyone updated. > __ > >From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:00:33 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool >Sandy... >Thank you I am only now looking into " natural " methods to calm >his bowel as there are really few medicines that I am aware of for this >disorder that he can take that won't interfere with his already >compromised immune system. the perpetual dilemma of medical care >for >immune compromised kitties... >BTW his stood is not full of a lot of blood generally... a little >frank blood occasionally and other times red tinged mucus stool is >generally semi formed and only once did he have frank diarrhea and that >was following a semi formed stool. what I am hoping is that I can >normalize his bowel and maybe it will return to normal The little >guy has been on several courses of antibiotics nearly back to back and >even the Flagyl ( which was intended to help him) might also have >further disturbed his intestinal flora... Would really like to back him >off systemic meds for a few weeks, if possible, give gut enhancing " >probiotics" ( if any such really exist) and see if that helps.. >there is , of course, always the possibility of lymphoma as well >Again. I am not going to rush into all kinds of testing until( >unless) the symptoms get worse... >Have to treat my Kitties like I treat my teeth act when I HAVE >to...except when preventive services will ultimately save me money in >the long term... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool
Robert more natural - like pumpkin or yogurt - is wise. I know antibiotics play havoc with the intestinal system - good luck - I know you will keep everyone updated. - Original Message - From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:00:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool Sandy... Thank you I am only now looking into " natural " methods to calm his bowel as there are really few medicines that I am aware of for this disorder that he can take that won't interfere with his already compromised immune system. the perpetual dilemma of medical care for immune compromised kitties... BTW his stood is not full of a lot of blood generally... a little frank blood occasionally and other times red tinged mucus stool is generally semi formed and only once did he have frank diarrhea and that was following a semi formed stool. what I am hoping is that I can normalize his bowel and maybe it will return to normal The little guy has been on several courses of antibiotics nearly back to back and even the Flagyl ( which was intended to help him) might also have further disturbed his intestinal flora... Would really like to back him off systemic meds for a few weeks, if possible, give gut enhancing " probiotics" ( if any such really exist) and see if that helps.. there is , of course, always the possibility of lymphoma as well Again. I am not going to rush into all kinds of testing until( unless) the symptoms get worse... Have to treat my Kitties like I treat my teeth act when I HAVE to...except when preventive services will ultimately save me money in the long term... On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bloody Stool (dlg...@windstream.net) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:06:48 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool > Message-ID: <20160814190648.LNYJ8.335.root@pamxwww03-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I LIKE THE YOGURT AND PUMPKIN FOR UPSET TUMMIES. > Sandy wrote: >> Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others >> I'm sure. I am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is >> the stool really bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some >> organic canned pumpkin mixed in the wet food or use a syringe to get >> it down - pumpkin is good - I know others who use organic yogurt - >> each is good for any kitty cat. >> Don't give up yet Sandy W >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, >> August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool >> >> Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as >> this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and >> ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal >> test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is >> symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other >> than what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool >> tested just need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of >> expenses... He is currently on weekly B12 injections and we are >> looking to see if it helps his Hct ( which is a little low) This >> poor little guy has just one thing after another and ,to be frank, I >> don't know how much longer I can afford the various chronic >> maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ cat) goes south soon I'm >> going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement on limited funds and >> sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta keep on Tryin >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> wrote: >>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World W
Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool
Sandy... Thank you I am only now looking into " natural " methods to calm his bowel as there are really few medicines that I am aware of for this disorder that he can take that won't interfere with his already compromised immune system. the perpetual dilemma of medical care for immune compromised kitties... BTW his stood is not full of a lot of blood generally... a little frank blood occasionally and other times red tinged mucus stool is generally semi formed and only once did he have frank diarrhea and that was following a semi formed stool. what I am hoping is that I can normalize his bowel and maybe it will return to normal The little guy has been on several courses of antibiotics nearly back to back and even the Flagyl ( which was intended to help him) might also have further disturbed his intestinal flora... Would really like to back him off systemic meds for a few weeks, if possible, give gut enhancing " probiotics" ( if any such really exist) and see if that helps.. there is , of course, always the possibility of lymphoma as well Again. I am not going to rush into all kinds of testing until( unless) the symptoms get worse... Have to treat my Kitties like I treat my teeth act when I HAVE to...except when preventive services will ultimately save me money in the long term... On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bloody Stool (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:06:48 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool Message-ID: <20160814190648.LNYJ8.335.root@pamxwww03-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I LIKE THE YOGURT AND PUMPKIN FOR UPSET TUMMIES. Sandy wrote: Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others I'm sure. I am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is the stool really bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some organic canned pumpkin mixed in the wet food or use a syringe to get it down - pumpkin is good - I know others who use organic yogurt - each is good for any kitty cat. Don't give up yet Sandy W - Original Message - From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other than what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool tested just need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of expenses... He is currently on weekly B12 injections and we are looking to see if it helps his Hct ( which is a little low) This poor little guy has just one thing after another and ,to be frank, I don't know how much longer I can afford the various chronic maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ cat) goes south soon I'm going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement on limited funds and sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta keep on Tryin On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Blood in Stool (Lorrie) 2. Re: Blood in Stool (Shelley Theye) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:03:28 -0400 From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool Message-ID: <20160813210328.GA910@lnx12> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he is
Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool
I LIKE THE YOGURT AND PUMPKIN FOR UPSET TUMMIES. Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote: > Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others I'm sure. > I am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is the stool > really bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some organic canned pumpkin > mixed in the wet food or use a syringe to get it down - pumpkin is good - I > know others who use organic yogurt - each is good for any kitty cat. > > Don't give up yet > Sandy W > > - Original Message - > > From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool > > > Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as > this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and > ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal > test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is > symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other than > what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool tested just > need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of expenses... He is > currently on weekly B12 injections and we are looking to see if it helps > his Hct ( which is a little low) This poor little guy has just one > thing after another and ,to be frank, I don't know how much longer I can > afford the various chronic maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ > cat) goes south soon I'm going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement > on limited funds and sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta > keep on Tryin > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Blood in Stool (Lorrie) > > 2. Re: Blood in Stool (Shelley Theye) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:03:28 -0400 > > From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool > > Message-ID: <20160813210328.GA910@lnx12> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he > > is losing weight and having soft bloody mucus could indicate IBD > > Inflammatory Bowel Disease, I have a cat with this. My cat, Sooty, > > was on Metronidazole for two weeks, and now has to take prednisolone > > every other day (transdermally) to keep this under control. He also > > gets B-12 shots once a week. I hope Yogi does not have this, as it > > is not curable, only managable. Sooty still enjoys life, but cannot > > gain weight no matter how much he eats. > > > > Lorrie > > > > assume you've > > had him checked for paras > > > > On 08-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > >> My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another > >> is > >> now showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft > >> as > >> well Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round > >> of > >> Flagyl... > >> I'm already spending a fair amount with the Prednisolone Acetate > >> he > >> needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 bucks later ( with an > >> Xray) it > >> does not look at though he has any blockages... Anyone have any > >> experience with this ?? Any relatively benign possible reasons ( > >> really hoping it is not severe autoimmune bowel disorder) > >> This > >> poor little guy has a lot going on for a young cat also losing > >> weight BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even > >> playing a bit despite being half blind.. > >> thanks, > >> Bob in Warwick NY > > > >> __
Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool
Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others I'm sure. I am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is the stool really bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some organic canned pumpkin mixed in the wet food or use a syringe to get it down - pumpkin is good - I know others who use organic yogurt - each is good for any kitty cat. Don't give up yet Sandy W - Original Message - From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other than what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool tested just need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of expenses... He is currently on weekly B12 injections and we are looking to see if it helps his Hct ( which is a little low) This poor little guy has just one thing after another and ,to be frank, I don't know how much longer I can afford the various chronic maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ cat) goes south soon I'm going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement on limited funds and sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta keep on Tryin On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Blood in Stool (Lorrie) > 2. Re: Blood in Stool (Shelley Theye) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:03:28 -0400 > From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool > Message-ID: <20160813210328.GA910@lnx12> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he > is losing weight and having soft bloody mucus could indicate IBD > Inflammatory Bowel Disease, I have a cat with this. My cat, Sooty, > was on Metronidazole for two weeks, and now has to take prednisolone > every other day (transdermally) to keep this under control. He also > gets B-12 shots once a week. I hope Yogi does not have this, as it > is not curable, only managable. Sooty still enjoys life, but cannot > gain weight no matter how much he eats. > > Lorrie > > assume you've > had him checked for paras > > On 08-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: >> My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another >> is >> now showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft >> as >> well Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round >> of >> Flagyl... >> I'm already spending a fair amount with the Prednisolone Acetate >> he >> needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 bucks later ( with an >> Xray) it >> does not look at though he has any blockages... Anyone have any >> experience with this ?? Any relatively benign possible reasons ( >> really hoping it is not severe autoimmune bowel disorder) >> This >> poor little guy has a lot going on for a young cat also losing >> weight BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even >> playing a bit despite being half blind.. >> thanks, >> Bob in Warwick NY > >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:49:09 -0400 > From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bob, in case this might help Yogi? > My non-FeLV positive cat Frodo, had terrible, liquid, smelly stools > with mucous for a numbe
Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool
Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other than what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool tested just need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of expenses... He is currently on weekly B12 injections and we are looking to see if it helps his Hct ( which is a little low) This poor little guy has just one thing after another and ,to be frank, I don't know how much longer I can afford the various chronic maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ cat) goes south soon I'm going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement on limited funds and sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta keep on Tryin On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Blood in Stool (Lorrie) 2. Re: Blood in Stool (Shelley Theye) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:03:28 -0400 From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool Message-ID: <20160813210328.GA910@lnx12> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he is losing weight and having soft bloody mucus could indicate IBD Inflammatory Bowel Disease, I have a cat with this. My cat, Sooty, was on Metronidazole for two weeks, and now has to take prednisolone every other day (transdermally) to keep this under control. He also gets B-12 shots once a week. I hope Yogi does not have this, as it is not curable, only managable. Sooty still enjoys life, but cannot gain weight no matter how much he eats. Lorrie assume you've had him checked for paras On 08-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another is now showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft as well Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round of Flagyl... I'm already spending a fair amount with the Prednisolone Acetate he needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 bucks later ( with an Xray) it does not look at though he has any blockages... Anyone have any experience with this ?? Any relatively benign possible reasons ( really hoping it is not severe autoimmune bowel disorder) This poor little guy has a lot going on for a young cat also losing weight BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even playing a bit despite being half blind.. thanks, Bob in Warwick NY ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:49:09 -0400 From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Bob, in case this might help Yogi? My non-FeLV positive cat Frodo, had terrible, liquid, smelly stools with mucous for a number of years. Started at about 1.5 years of age. Tried metronidazole, all of the dewormers and treated for coccidia too, was sure he must have had IBD or colitis, etc. Finally what helped him was a restricted protein diet, to rule out a food sensitivity. We had to stick with the diet for months, longer than the recommended time, with a few metronidazole weeks interspersed, almost gave up when he got a mild bout of loose stool again, gave metronidazole one last time, a few days past when I was supposed to stop it, and glad I did, because his stools firmed up and became normal, and have been normal ever since! I have read that cats have food sensitivities more than actual food allergies. I am not sure to what ingredient he is sensitive to, and hesitate to try to figure it out, because after so many years of terrible stools, now he is symptom free and has been for a number of years. He eats Royal Canin rabbit and green pea. Not what I would like to feed, but in his case it was the answer. In case this might help. Shelley Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Lorrie
