Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone

2017-06-19 Thread Margo




Robert, I wouldn't worry about the pred. Cats are much more tolerant of it than 
dogs or humans, and I've had cats on it for years.

It's part of some rescue protocols for cancers, so I'd say go for it.

Wishing Gilbert the best...

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2017 1:51 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone
>
>Lorrie..
>Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...  I'm giving him 5mg 
>of Prednisolone via Tablet
>and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a  price).  
>Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in 
>syringe to try Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have 
>to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.  This shelter 
>is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going 
>to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change.. There are 
>other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...
>Hoping that the  pred keeps helping for a while...
>
>
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>> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I was hoping there 
>> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
>> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
>> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
>> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
>> helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
>> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
>> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
>> never knows? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
>> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
>> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
>> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
>> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
>> found it very hard to obtain definitive information? Probably need 
>> to go to original Vet Sources? Sure hope kitties have natural 
>> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
>> to find stuff that will help their pain
>> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
>> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
>> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
>> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
>> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
>> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
>> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
>> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone

2017-06-19 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL

Lorrie..
Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...  I'm giving him 5mg 
of Prednisolone via Tablet
and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a  price).  
Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in 
syringe to try Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have 
to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.  This shelter 
is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going 
to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change.. There are 
other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...

Hoping that the  pred keeps helping for a while...


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   4. Re: Pain Meds for Gilbert (Lorrie)
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   6. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Pam Doore)


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Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert
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Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I was hoping there 
was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
used larger doses than 5mg BID..
This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
never knows? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
found it very hard to obtain definitive information? Probably need 
to go to original Vet Sources? Sure hope kitties have natural 
endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
to find stuff that will help their pain
BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??




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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
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Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert
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Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause 
another.  It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least 
bad.  Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's 
genetic code.  There are unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make 
a decision for our babies, is hard.  If I had been able to stop 
Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to 
her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain.  They dissolve 
bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it.  I found 
that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees.  My blood sugar 
shot up to 700 for about 3 days.  I now take hyaleuronic injections 
that do not affect my blood sugar.  In fact they don't seem to have 
any side effects.  They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 
months so the cost comes out the same.  I just wish they could talk so 
they could tell us when and where  they hurt, but their instinct is to 
hide pain so predators will not know they are  disabled in any way.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:




Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I