Re: FIV infected kittes
NINA, EXCELLENT LETTER! I"M FORWARDING THIS TO THE GALS WITH THE FIV+ KITTENS. THEY REALLY NEED THIS PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH! GLENDA --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Group, > I just saw that someone was asking for help with an > fiv tested kitten. > The following is a post I archived from a trusted > list member, (MC) > about this subject: > > > there is essentially no such thing as an FIV > positive kittens. > maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is > still not even > considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with > an infected mom > will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of > her > system--between 6-10 months. > > no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats > will take a cat > without a positive western blot test, as the snap > test is only about > 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten > is old enough for > mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test > positive, but it won't > mean anything. > > i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the > cat ever gets out > and into the shelter system, he will test positve > (not maybe, > DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and > someone actually checks > his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances > of living long > enough to be found by you is slim to none. > > almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING > WOUNDS--the sort that > boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's > why a high > percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls > who have it probably > getting it during rough sex. > > once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire > to be that > aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain > aggressive, filing down > or even removing the canine teeth makes it > impossible for him to bite > deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, > once neutered, seem > to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, > very cuddly couch > potatoes. > > at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended > up becoming > forever cats of the volunteers, because they were > just such > sweethearts. > > i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid > flamepoint himmie > who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz > there's NO way he would > have initiated an argument on his own, and an > adolescent coonie. FIV > cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher > incidence of herpes > infections (easily kept in check with the addition > of lysine), and a > tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick > just like normal > cats, and they get better when treated in a timely > manner, just like > normal cats! > > as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the > virus, not from it. > > it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's > spread, and how it > manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the > sanctuary director thinks > that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only > consistent symptoms of > FIV.) > > here are two of the better articles on FIV: > http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html > http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm > > MC > -- > MaryChristine > > AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 289856892 > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
FIV infected kittes
Hello Group, I just saw that someone was asking for help with an fiv tested kitten. The following is a post I archived from a trusted list member, (MC) about this subject: > there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens. maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not even considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected mom will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of her system--between 6-10 months. no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a cat without a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough for mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won't mean anything. i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets out and into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe, DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checks his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living long enough to be found by you is slim to none. almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort that boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a high percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probably getting it during rough sex. once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be that aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing down or even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bite deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seem to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couch potatoes. at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becoming forever cats of the volunteers, because they were just such sweethearts. i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmie who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he would have initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIV cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpes infections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and a tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normal cats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just like normal cats! as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it. it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how it manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinks that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms of FIV.) here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
mek: I'm seriously thinking of trying to figure out a way to condense what you said Mary into something concise enough to attach as part of my 'signature' - likewise for FeLV which research (and caregiver experience) are proving to be no where near the automatic death sentence it was once thought to be. Thanks for posting this! /mari here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC-- -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
Yes! That was what I wanted to say! You go girl! tonyaTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: argh.there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens.maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not evenconsidered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected momwill test positive until mom's antibodies are out of hersystem--between 6-10 months.no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a catwithout a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough formom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won'tmean anything.i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets outand into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe,DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checkshis record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living longenough to be found by you is slim to none.almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort thatboy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a highpercentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probablygetting it during rough sex.once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be thataggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing downor even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bitedeeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seemto turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couchpotatoes.at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becomingforever cats of the volunteers, because they were just suchsweethearts.i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmiewho must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he wouldhave initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIVcats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpesinfections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and atendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normalcats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just likenormal cats!as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it.it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how itmanifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinksthat being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms ofFIV.)here are two of the better articles on FIV:http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfmMC-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
MaryChristine, I too have 2 fiv boys and they are the sweetest babies,and so far very healthy.They are from our sanctuary that I volunteer,all the cats there are so sweet. SherryTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: argh.there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens.maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not evenconsidered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected momwill test positive until mom's antibodies are out of hersystem--between 6-10 months.no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a catwithout a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough formom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won'tmean anything.i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets outand into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe,DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checkshis record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living longenough to be found by you is slim to none.almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort thatboy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a highpercentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probablygetting it during rough sex.once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be thataggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing downor even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bitedeeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seemto turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couchpotatoes.at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becomingforever cats of the volunteers, because they were just suchsweethearts.i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmiewho must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he wouldhave initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIVcats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpesinfections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and atendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normalcats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just likenormal cats!as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it.it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how itmanifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinksthat being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms ofFIV.)here are two of the better articles on FIV:http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfmMC-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: FIV infected kittes
Hi new FIV kitten's mom, FIV is not the same thing as Felv. I think some of our list members are responding as if Karma has tested pos for felv. I haven't heard good things about the FIV vaccine. From what I remember, and I'm no expert on FIV, there are two (?) different types and, again I'm not sure, but one vaccine doesn't protect against the other. I just remember debate about whether or not the vaccine is effective. I do know that once you give a cat the vaccine, they will test pos for FIV for the rest of their lives. No big deal I guess, unless your older cat gets lost and someone that doesn't have the heart you do finds him and tests him. Although I understand your being upset by the pos test results, I'm not sure I would sweat any of this until you have Karma retested when she's older, (at least 3 months). I would test your older cat, just to know what his status is. From all I've heard it is only possible to transmit FIV by serious bites, so I'm betting there is no danger to your older cat from Karma. There is also the consideration of getting the two of them together while Karma is such a little baby when your older cat is more likely to be friendly to her. My gut feeling, for what it's worth, is that Karma is fine and will test neg later. FIV is not like Felv in that it is not usually transmitted from mother to kitten in utero or during nursing. Unless some nasty FIV infected Tom took a bite out of your baby before she got to you, she probably doesn't have FIV at all. Is there any physical evidence that Karma was attacked by a cat? It sounds like you have a wonderful vet, you probably don't know how lucky you are! There is a group for FIV kitty guardians that you should join, they will be more current on everything FIV than we are: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FivCats/ Wishing you and your babies the very best, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kitten's name is Karma and she appears to be healthy - she is a feisty playful little thing. I will keep her away from my big cat for right now until I have him tested and vaccinated and talked to the vet about it again, I would realy like them to be together eventually. He is already fixed and I will have her fixed as soon as allowed so we never have to worry about kittens. My vet is great he asked me several times not to let anybody talk me into putting her down, he has one himself that wasgoing to be put down eight years ago and whom is still going strong inspite of a infection now and then, but I do wish he had told me that there might be a slim chance that she is not infected but that it might be the mothers anti bodies that caused the test to be possitive, something I still pray for. Am still looking for sites specialised in FIV but have been unable to find any sofar but I appreciate your emails and will keep you informed if you's like!
FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
argh. there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens. maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not even considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected mom will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of her system--between 6-10 months. no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a cat without a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough for mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won't mean anything. i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets out and into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe, DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checks his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living long enough to be found by you is slim to none. almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort that boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a high percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probably getting it during rough sex. once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be that aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing down or even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bite deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seem to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couch potatoes. at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becoming forever cats of the volunteers, because they were just such sweethearts. i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmie who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he would have initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIV cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpes infections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and a tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normal cats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just like normal cats! as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it. it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how it manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinks that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms of FIV.) here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: FIV infected kittes
The kitten's name is Karma and she appears to be healthy - she is afeisty playful little thing. I will keep her away from my big cat forright now until I have him tested and vaccinated and talked to the vetabout it again, I would realy like them to be together eventually. He isalready fixed and I will have her fixed as soon as allowed so we neverhave to worry about kittens. My vet is great he asked me several timesnot to let anybody talk me into putting her down, he has one himselfthat wasgoing to be put down eight years ago and whom is still goingstrong inspite of a infection now and then, but I do wish he had told methat there might be a slim chance that she is not infected but that itmight be the mothers anti bodies that caused the test to be possitive,something I still pray for. Am still looking for sites specialised inFIV but have been unable to find any sofar but I appreciate your emailsand will keep you informed if you's like!
