Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
DFW area Texas Kiley been trying to find an quiet foster home this week no luck, every one willing to foster has the same zoo I do Karen
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
May I ask where you are located? Kiley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jimi the stressed out cat? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:50:40 EDT He has been here 5 months now so he will never settle. Its a catch 22 cant put weight on him under stress cant adopt him out looking like he hasnt eaten in 5 monthssigh
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
I have a kitty that is suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. I think I may have written to you guys about her when she first showed up. Her name is Matilda and she was pregnant when I caught her. I suspect she was a house cat that got out while she was in season, got good and lost, raped by the neighborhood gang, and lost her little kitty mind in the process. She's sweet with humans, (except for displaced aggression, just ask poor Bruce who had to endure 5 antibiotic shots after being to close to her when our German Shepherd startled her with his presence), but anything with 4 legs sends her into a frenzy. She's getting better, very slowly, but getting better. I've been considering something like kitty prosaic for her too. I have been adding RR and a flower essence called Oregon Grape, (from FES), to her water dish. There's also an Australian Bush blend called "Emergency", that works like RR. Some of my kitties respond better to it than RR and visa versa. The Oregon Grape may be helping Matilda, who the heck knows. I've also got her segregated during the day, (she has my bedroom and the outdoor habitat), and in a cage by my bed at night. Do look up specific flower essence that might be more appropriate for Jimi. Here's a great source for different brands of flower essences: http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/allessences.htm Nina Marylyn wrote: You can talk to your vet about mood altering drugs too. Mi Tu was on a couple, including Prozac. Sometimes they help and sometimes they don't. My old standbys, Rescue Remedy, Feliway, and high powered catnip, could also help. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Jimi the stressed out cat? It sounds to me as if he feels that the cage is his safe place. Where he can be safe from all the other animals in the household. Is he a foster or what? Are all the dogs cats inside? Cause just in sheer numbers, I would imagine that would stress an already stressed out kitty. If you can, I would put him his cage in his own room keep the door shut. Let him stay in his cage for a while so long as he is ok with it, but then start leaving the cage door open let him take his time in coming out. See how that goes. I would keep him with that for quite a while. Weeks if he does well, only gradually re-introduce him to the rest, maybe one at a time. But it may take time. Meanwhile you can also baby his GI tract with just canned food, no dry. And try the foods that are used for IBD - like the IVD formulas. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Jimi the stressed out cat? Thanks Michelle, He has had two fecals both negative, did two rounds of metronidazole, one round of albon and of course wormer. He is a maine coon found dumped outside matted to the skin had to be shaved. Declawed. Its almost impossible for a rescue to be low stress on a high stress cat. At the moment I have 8 dogs and six cats here and a couple of kittens that are caged. The adult healthy fully vetted cats I like to let out of the cage. We have tried a lot of sensitive stomach food with Jimi. This is the worst, he seems to do better in a cage, stool wise. He loves attention and gives kisses. If allowed out of the cage too long he starts urinating on the bed, then the stool gets real loose and then vomiting starts always on my bed. Writing this down helpsguess it really is stress isnt it? what do you guys suggest?
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
Susan's right. Never say never. Cats are funny creatures. They can sometimes change their behavior like the flick of a switch. Picture him responding to the love and care you are giving him. Put your thinking cap on and do your best to help him feel safe. Keep telling him he has nothing to fear and you have his back. Congratulate and encourage any small improvement. Matilda used to get praised when she'd refrain from throwing herself against the cage walls hissing and spitting. Now she's told how wonderful she is when the fear and anger isn't evident in her eyes. As long as there continues to be some improvement, no matter how minuscule, I'm content we're on the right track. If Jimmy really hasn't improved in 5 months, (if you think back on it, I'm betting he has), then you need to change your tactics in trying to help him. Clear your head and ask for help from Spirit, inspiration will come. I absolutely believe that those that enter our lives do so for a reason. Either a lesson for them, for us, or both. Have you tried making him comfortable in a cage in a quieter section of the house, but still in general population? Partially cover the cage, and/or give him an open carrier to crawl into in the larger cage. I have Matilda's cage on a table next to my bed, (being elevated off the floor helps). She's only in it at night. During the day she's free, but separated from the rest of the animals by a screen door on the bedroom and the chain link of the habitat that leads from my bedroom window. She's begun to get bored and lonely in her isolation. I'm hopeful that someday soon, she'll be trustworthy enough to acclimate. Good luck and blessings in all you do for the animals in your care, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He has been here 5 months now so he will never settle. Its a catch 22 cant put weight on him under stress cant adopt him out looking like he hasnt eaten in 5 monthssigh
Jimi the stressed out cat?
Thanks Michelle, He has had two fecals both negative, did two rounds of metronidazole, one round of albon and of course wormer. He is a maine coon found dumped outside matted to the skin had to be shaved. Declawed. Its almost impossible for a rescue to be low stress on a high stress cat. At the moment I have 8 dogs and six cats here and a couple of kittens that are caged. The adult healthy fully vetted cats I like to let out of the cage. We have tried a lot of sensitive stomach food with Jimi. This is the worst, he seems to do better in a cage, stool wise. He loves attention and gives kisses. If allowed out of the cage too long he starts urinating on the bed, then the stool gets real loose and then vomiting starts always on my bed. Writing this down helpsguess it really is stress isnt it? what do you guys suggest?
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
It really does sound stress-related, which would be IBS, probably. I have never researched IBS because it's not what Lucy has. Maybe you should do an internet search on feline IBS and see what you come up with, both for diagnosis purposes and to see if they suggest anything helpful. Perhaps a psych med would help, or something like the transdermal benadryl I give Patches to calm her down and stop her from overgrooming. In case it could be helped with food, I really would suggest trying raw (which you probably don't have time to do, given all you are doing) or EVO. A lot of the commercial sensitive stomach foods have grains in them, which are very hard on IBD cats.You cold also try pred for a week or so and see if it helps, like I did with Lucy.But, again, it really does sound from what you are saying like it is stress-related, which would be IBS rather than IBD and probably not related to food and probably not helped by any meds other than perhaps psych meds. Michelle In a message dated 9/17/2006 8:23:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Michelle, He has had two fecals both negative, did two rounds of metronidazole, one round of albon and of course wormer. He is a maine coon found dumped outside matted to the skin had to be shaved. Declawed. Its almost impossible for a rescue to be low stress on a high stress cat. At the moment I have 8 dogs and six cats here and a couple of kittens that are caged. The adult healthy fully vetted cats I like to let out of the cage. We have tried a lot of sensitive stomach food with Jimi. This is the worst, he seems to do better in a cage, stool wise. He loves attention and gives kisses. If allowed out of the cage too long he starts urinating on the bed, then the stool gets real loose and then vomiting starts always on my bed. Writing this down helpsguess it really is stress isnt it? what do you guys suggest?
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
You can get Elavil compounded in a salve for transdermal application inside the ear. Or oral prozac. I would consider either as a short-term fix while he acclimated, maybe a couple of weeks just till he settles in a bit.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It really does sound stress-related, which would be IBS, probably. I have never researched IBS because it's not what Lucy has. Maybe you should do an internet search on feline IBS and see what you come up with, both for diagnosis purposes and to see if they suggest anything helpful. Perhaps a psych med would help, or something like the transdermal benadryl I give Patches to calm her down and stop her from overgrooming.In case it could be helped with food, I really would suggest trying raw (which you probably don't have time to do, given all you are doing) or EVO. A lot of the commercial sensitive stomach foods have grains in them, which are very hard on IBD cats.You cold also try pred for a week or so and see if it helps, like I did with Lucy.But, again, it really does sound from what you are saying like it is stress-related, which would be IBS rather than IBD and probably not related to food and probably not helped by any meds other than perhaps psych meds.MichelleIn a message dated 9/17/2006 8:23:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Thanks Michelle, He has had two fecals both negative, did two rounds of metronidazole, one round of albon and of course wormer. He is a maine coon found dumped outside matted to the skin had to be shaved. Declawed. Its almost impossible for a rescue to be low stress on a high stress cat. At the moment I have 8 dogs and six cats here and a couple of kittens that are caged. The adult healthy fully vetted cats I like to let out of the cage. We have tried a lot of sensitive stomach food with Jimi. This is the worst, he seems to do better in a cage, stool wise. He loves attention and gives kisses. If allowed out of the cage too long he starts urinating on the bed, then the stool gets real loose and then vomiting starts always on my bed. Writing this down helpsguess it really is stress isnt it? what do you guys suggest?
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
It sounds to me as if he feels that the cage is his safe place. Where he can be safe from all the other animals in the household. Is he a foster or what? Are all the dogs cats inside? Cause just in sheer numbers, I would imagine that would stress an already stressed out kitty. If you can, I would put him his cage in his own room keep the door shut. Let him stay in his cage for a while so long as he is ok with it, but then start leaving the cage door open let him take his time in coming out. See how that goes. I would keep him with that for quite a while. Weeks if he does well, only gradually re-introduce him to the rest, maybe one at a time. But it may take time. Meanwhile you can also baby his GI tract with just canned food, no dry. And try the foods that are used for IBD - like the IVD formulas. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Jimi the stressed out cat? Thanks Michelle, He has had two fecals both negative, did two rounds of metronidazole, one round of albon and of course wormer. He is a maine coon found dumped outside matted to the skin had to be shaved. Declawed. Its almost impossible for a rescue to be low stress on a high stress cat. At the moment I have 8 dogs and six cats here and a couple of kittens that are caged. The adult healthy fully vetted cats I like to let out of the cage. We have tried a lot of sensitive stomach food with Jimi. This is the worst, he seems to do better in a cage, stool wise. He loves attention and gives kisses. If allowed out of the cage too long he starts urinating on the bed, then the stool gets real loose and then vomiting starts always on my bed. Writing this down helpsguess it really is stress isnt it? what do you guys suggest?
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
He has been here 5 months now so he will never settle. Its a catch 22 cant put weight on him under stress cant adopt him out looking like he hasnt eaten in 5 monthssigh
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
"Never" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe you just haven't found the solution yet. Stay open to the possibilities.
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
You can talk to your vet about mood altering drugs too. Mi Tu was on a couple, including Prozac. Sometimes they help and sometimes they don't. My old standbys, Rescue Remedy, Feliway, and high powered catnip, could also help. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Jimi the stressed out cat? It sounds to me as if he feels that the cage is his safe place. Where he can be safe from all the other animals in the household. Is he a foster or what? Are all the dogs cats inside? Cause just in sheer numbers, I would imagine that would stress an already stressed out kitty. If you can, I would put him his cage in his own room keep the door shut. Let him stay in his cage for a while so long as he is ok with it, but then start leaving the cage door open let him take his time in coming out. See how that goes. I would keep him with that for quite a while. Weeks if he does well, only gradually re-introduce him to the rest, maybe one at a time. But it may take time. Meanwhile you can also baby his GI tract with just canned food, no dry. And try the foods that are used for IBD - like the IVD formulas. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Jimi the stressed out cat? Thanks Michelle, He has had two fecals both negative, did two rounds of metronidazole, one round of albon and of course wormer. He is a maine coon found dumped outside matted to the skin had to be shaved. Declawed. Its almost impossible for a rescue to be low stress on a high stress cat. At the moment I have 8 dogs and six cats here and a couple of kittens that are caged. The adult healthy fully vetted cats I like to let out of the cage. We have tried a lot of sensitive stomach food with Jimi. This is the worst, he seems to do better in a cage, stool wise. He loves attention and gives kisses. If allowed out of the cage too long he starts urinating on the bed, then the stool gets real loose and then vomiting starts always on my bed. Writing this down helpsguess it really is stress isnt it? what do you guys suggest?
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
It took Ebony a year to stop snarling at me every time I were by. And he was not in a cage and free to come and go pretty much as he pleased. They settle on their schedule and 5 months is not a long time in a cat's mind. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt chose to stay hidden for 3 months and she was a feral turned house cat of my parents who moved in with me (against her will). Again, their time tables. Good luck. Have you tried Nutrical or other high calorie supplement Maybe AD If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Jimi the stressed out cat? You can get Elavil compounded in a salve for transdermal application inside the ear. Or oral prozac. I would consider either as a short-term fix while he acclimated, maybe a couple of weeks just till he settles in a bit.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really does sound stress-related, which would be IBS, probably. I have never researched IBS because it's not what Lucy has. Maybe you should do an internet search on feline IBS and see what you come up with, both for diagnosis purposes and to see if they suggest anything helpful. Perhaps a psych med would help, or something like the transdermal benadryl I give Patches to calm her down and stop her from overgrooming. In case it could be helped with food, I really would suggest trying raw (which you probably don't have time to do, given all you are doing) or EVO. A lot of the commercial sensitive stomach foods have grains in them, which are very hard on IBD cats.You cold also try pred for a week or so and see if it helps, like I did with Lucy.But, again, it really does sound from what you are saying like it is stress-related, which would be IBS rather than IBD and probably not related to food and probably not helped by any meds other than perhaps psych meds. Michelle In a message dated 9/17/2006 8:23:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Michelle, He has had two fecals both negative, did two rounds of metronidazole, one round of albon and of course wormer. He is a maine coon found dumped outside matted to the skin had to be shaved. Declawed. Its almost impossible for a rescue to be low stress on a high stress cat. At the moment I have 8 dogs and six cats here and a couple of kittens that are caged. The adult healthy fully vetted cats I like to let out of the cage. We have tried a lot of sensitive stomach food with Jimi. This is the worst, he seems to do better in a cage, stool wise. He loves attention and gives kisses. If allowed out of the cage too long he starts urinating on the bed, then the stool gets real loose and then vomiting starts always on my bed. Writing this down helpsguess it really is stress isnt it? what do you guys suggest?
