Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
Missy says: That's good advice:) On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aw, i feel so sad for the ones who are scared.. my FIV+ flamepoint himmie is so timid that, for the first five months he was with me, the only way i knew he was alive was to lift up the upholestered chair he lived under to make sure he was still breathing... then he progressed to letting me see him streak past on his way to the litter box. three years later, he'll get up on the bed once in awhile still hasn't purred, tho what happened with morgana underscores the truest reality of working with critters of any kind: there are just no guarantees. people would bring FIVs and FeLVs to the sanctuary because, they're going to die. well, yeah. but so might the $2500 showcat, or the healthy 6-month-old kitten. to not love something because it's gonna die someday, well, think about it even if we were to know the full medical histories of every critter that comes out way, there is STILL no way to know what hidden things might crop up in their own biochemistries--and trying to second-guess ourselves and the vets we trust, when there were no signs to tell us that there was anything wrong or no treatment that was making any difference just doesn't do any good. we love them, and ourselves, as deeply and as long as we can, we learn the lessons they've come to teach us, and we open our hearts and arms to the next little furry beast that appears--because it WILL appear. h--maybe there ARE some guarantees, after all On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe! Well, this girl has chronic severe eye drainage that has to be cleaned daily and sometimes eyelid infections, ear issues..tooth issues...beautiful coat (that is fine as silk and has to be combed out daily)...and now a heart murmur. She's also front paw declawed and has severe fear of other cats. She's been in my house almost a year and still only comes out from under the end table to eat. My vet thinks there was something wrong inside Morgana that couldnt' be detected by him..and he's a very, very good vet. She was just in his office 6 weeks ago for a sinus infection and he didn't detect anything serious. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so many kitties that come from hoarder situations bring baggage that's almost impossible to overcome... hard to know if it's genetic, or just from neglect, or a problem with the individual cat that nothing would have been able to predict or prevent. which doesn't make it any easier to lose them. i have a friend with 16 persians--15 of them special-needs i tend to think of them as very easy to take care of tho, other than all the fur. sort of like stuffed critters that purr. especially the older ones: plop them down near water and food bowls, near litter boxes, and dust them occasionally. my friends refer to them as speed bumps. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not because they're persians, but because they're the most popular cat breed in the US--ie, the most overbred, poorly bred, backyard bred, etc. i'm currently owned and operated by seven of the darlings, and so far today have been involved on some level with finding fosters or transports for another 12 On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
OT -more kitties with heart disease
I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
that's not because they're persians, but because they're the most popular cat breed in the US--ie, the most overbred, poorly bred, backyard bred, etc. i'm currently owned and operated by seven of the darlings, and so far today have been involved on some level with finding fosters or transports for another 12 On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
My little Morgana that died last week was a Persian. I still don't know why she died. She did come from a hoarder, though. I'm hoping Clarissa's potential adopters will still want her. One of my friends in rescue has 17 of them. 2 at a time is about all I can handle, they need so much care. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not because they're persians, but because they're the most popular cat breed in the US--ie, the most overbred, poorly bred, backyard bred, etc. i'm currently owned and operated by seven of the darlings, and so far today have been involved on some level with finding fosters or transports for another 12 On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
so many kitties that come from hoarder situations bring baggage that's almost impossible to overcome... hard to know if it's genetic, or just from neglect, or a problem with the individual cat that nothing would have been able to predict or prevent. which doesn't make it any easier to lose them. i have a friend with 16 persians--15 of them special-needs i tend to think of them as very easy to take care of tho, other than all the fur. sort of like stuffed critters that purr. especially the older ones: plop them down near water and food bowls, near litter boxes, and dust them occasionally. my friends refer to them as speed bumps. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not because they're persians, but because they're the most popular cat breed in the US--ie, the most overbred, poorly bred, backyard bred, etc. i'm currently owned and operated by seven of the darlings, and so far today have been involved on some level with finding fosters or transports for another 12 On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
Hehe! Well, this girl has chronic severe eye drainage that has to be cleaned daily and sometimes eyelid infections, ear issues..tooth issues...beautiful coat (that is fine as silk and has to be combed out daily)...and now a heart murmur. She's also front paw declawed and has severe fear of other cats. She's been in my house almost a year and still only comes out from under the end table to eat. My vet thinks there was something wrong inside Morgana that couldnt' be detected by him..and he's a very, very good vet. She was just in his office 6 weeks ago for a sinus infection and he didn't detect anything serious. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so many kitties that come from hoarder situations bring baggage that's almost impossible to overcome... hard to know if it's genetic, or just from neglect, or a problem with the individual cat that nothing would have been able to predict or prevent. which doesn't make it any easier to lose them. i have a friend with 16 persians--15 of them special-needs i tend to think of them as very easy to take care of tho, other than all the fur. sort of like stuffed critters that purr. especially the older ones: plop them down near water and food bowls, near litter boxes, and dust them occasionally. my friends refer to them as speed bumps. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not because they're persians, but because they're the most popular cat breed in the US--ie, the most overbred, poorly bred, backyard bred, etc. i'm currently owned and operated by seven of the darlings, and so far today have been involved on some level with finding fosters or transports for another 12 On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
aw, i feel so sad for the ones who are scared.. my FIV+ flamepoint himmie is so timid that, for the first five months he was with me, the only way i knew he was alive was to lift up the upholestered chair he lived under to make sure he was still breathing... then he progressed to letting me see him streak past on his way to the litter box. three years later, he'll get up on the bed once in awhile still hasn't purred, tho what happened with morgana underscores the truest reality of working with critters of any kind: there are just no guarantees. people would bring FIVs and FeLVs to the sanctuary because, they're going to die. well, yeah. but so might the $2500 showcat, or the healthy 6-month-old kitten. to not love something because it's gonna die someday, well, think about it even if we were to know the full medical histories of every critter that comes out way, there is STILL no way to know what hidden things might crop up in their own biochemistries--and trying to second-guess ourselves and the vets we trust, when there were no signs to tell us that there was anything wrong or no treatment that was making any difference just doesn't do any good. we love them, and ourselves, as deeply and as long as we can, we learn the lessons they've come to teach us, and we open our hearts and arms to the next little furry beast that appears--because it WILL appear. h--maybe there ARE some guarantees, after all On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe! Well, this girl has chronic severe eye drainage that has to be cleaned daily and sometimes eyelid infections, ear issues..tooth issues...beautiful coat (that is fine as silk and has to be combed out daily)...and now a heart murmur. She's also front paw declawed and has severe fear of other cats. She's been in my house almost a year and still only comes out from under the end table to eat. My vet thinks there was something wrong inside Morgana that couldnt' be detected by him..and he's a very, very good vet. She was just in his office 6 weeks ago for a sinus infection and he didn't detect anything serious. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so many kitties that come from hoarder situations bring baggage that's almost impossible to overcome... hard to know if it's genetic, or just from neglect, or a problem with the individual cat that nothing would have been able to predict or prevent. which doesn't make it any easier to lose them. i have a friend with 16 persians--15 of them special-needs i tend to think of them as very easy to take care of tho, other than all the fur. sort of like stuffed critters that purr. especially the older ones: plop them down near water and food bowls, near litter boxes, and dust them occasionally. my friends refer to them as speed bumps. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not because they're persians, but because they're the most popular cat breed in the US--ie, the most overbred, poorly bred, backyard bred, etc. i'm currently owned and operated by seven of the darlings, and so far today have been involved on some level with finding fosters or transports for another 12 On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
One of my Persian rescues last year died from grade 5 heart murmur with cardiomyopathy. Yes, very unhealthy breed, IMO. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
I think I summed it up well on my sanctuary page ( http://ucat.us/NoKillSanctuaries.html ) when I said I believe in the Asilomar Accords +1: Here at Little Cheetah, we believe that any cat that is living a good quality of life, or has an excellent prognosis of recovering to live a good quality of life once rehabilitated DESERVES a chance! We support The Asilomar Accords +1. What does the +1 mean? It's simple, it means that while we support the typical ideals of the general No Kill community, it also means we take it one step farther, to include all asymptomatic FELV+ and FIV+ cats, as well as any other cat in danger of being discriminated against due to medical limitation or disability! We take exception to Asilomar Accord Part III, Unhealthy and Untreatable, Paragraph 2: (2) are suffering from a disease, injury, or congenital or hereditary condition that adversely affects the animal's health or is likely to adversely affect the animal's health in the future, and are not likely to become healthy or treatable even if provided the care typically provided to pets by reasonable and caring pet owners/guardians in the community; We feel that it is unfair to condemn an animal to death for something that COULD happen many years in the future. We feel that QUALITY or life is much more important than quantity of life - even short lives deserve to be lived! We also believe that the typically provided care that the average pet receives should not be the end all cut off point to which we should give up on an animal. Special pets happen, and there ARE special people out there willing to provide exceptional care for EXCEPTIONS to this rule! We believe that there are conditions that are not treatable and that do cause disability, that do not cause suffering, like Cerebellar Hypoplasia, Blindness, and Terminal Heart conditions. We do not feel these cats are candidates for Euthanasia! Then, there's the simple fact... To us, you can't be No Kill if you're still routinely euthanising healthy, asymptomatic cats because of a test result! Phaewryn aw, i feel so sad for the ones who are scared.. my FIV+ flamepoint himmie is so timid that, for the first five months he was with me, the only way i knew he was alive was to lift up the upholstered chair he lived under to make sure he was still breathing... then he progressed to letting me see him streak past on his way to the litter box. three years later, he'll get up on the bed once in awhile still hasn't purred, tho what happened with morgana underscores the truest reality of working with critters of any kind: there are just no guarantees. people would bring FIVs and FeLVs to the sanctuary because, they're going to die. well, yeah. but so might the $2500 showcat, or the healthy 6-month-old kitten. to not love something because it's gonna die someday, well, think about it even if we were to know the full medical histories of every critter that comes out way, there is STILL no way to know what hidden things might crop up in their own biochemistries--and trying to second-guess ourselves and the vets we trust, when there were no signs to tell us that there was anything wrong or no treatment that was making any difference just doesn't do any good. we love them, and ourselves, as deeply and as long as we can, we learn the lessons they've come to teach us, and we open our hearts and arms to the next little furry beast that appears--because it WILL appear. h--maybe there ARE some guarantees, after all
