RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
Title: RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) Thanks veggiepugs---sorry, haven't found your actual moniker yet! It's interesting for me that we're having this ongoing discussion now as I just recently began getting involved with the Chicago vegan group. I wonder how we start a separate list? I would love (just to stir things up) to have a set of plates with the pic and caption you mention: picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Actualy, I'd have a ballon from a smiling cat saying, I'm a cuddly pet, followed by one from a sad pig saying And I'm food---why? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:06 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) Warning...this is a LONG one and mostly about vegetarianism/animal activism. But first... Thanks for that note on the Native American poem...I'm going to look for that. Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that link. That's how I tried it but the problem was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill with the other and he reached up and scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on my hand. I just thought of something that was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is kind of mean, though any way you give a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure out a way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet tomorrow for liquid form and see about that. Now... Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You put things very well. It is so true that people turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of Christian Faith question me and test me about my decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals were put here for our use. Even though it's no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of Christian religion is thou shalt not give into temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that animals are considered by many Christians, not to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he doesn't give me a hard time about it. He really and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells everyone how cool I am about it because I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't make the connection between the animals at home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that, and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I don't know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any little bit makes a difference. I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became vegan as a result of it. One, is the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally snapped and as he watched his fellow co- workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to be the food on our plates. He actually went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in reading about him, he's known as the cyberactivist. Just google that. It'll come up. There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal exploitation and thoughts and philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush and a conservative Republican who is a vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But honestly, I think anyone who cares about animals needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. Whether you're a veg or not. If you love animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful and logical points, gets you to think and can change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. One of the points he made, which was blunt as could be, was: ...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery clouds his moral judgement, that is vanity. When he lets a demanding
RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
Just wanted to add that I also LOVE Marvistavet... great resource. Gloria At 09:40 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:06 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) ... Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that link. That's how I tried it but the problem was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill with the other and he reached up and scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on my hand. I just thought of something that was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is kind of mean, though any way you give a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure out a way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet tomorrow for liquid form and see about that. Now... Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You put things very well. It is so true that people turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of Christian Faith question me and test me about my decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals were put here for our use. Even though it's no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of Christian religion is thou shalt not give into temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that animals are considered by many Christians, not to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he doesn't give me a hard time about it. He really and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells everyone how cool I am about it because I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't make the connection between the animals at home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that, and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I don't know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any little bit makes a difference. I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became vegan as a result of it. One, is the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally snapped and as he watched his fellow co- workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to be the food on our plates. He actually went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in reading about him, he's known as the cyberactivist. Just google that. It'll come up. There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal exploitation and thoughts and philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush and a conservative Republican who is a vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But honestly, I think anyone who cares about animals needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. Whether you're a veg or not. If you love animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful and logical points, gets you to think and can change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. One of the points he made, which was blunt as could be, was: ...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery clouds his moral judgement, that is vanity. When he lets a demanding palate make his moral choices, that is gluttony. When he ascribes the divine will to his own whims, that is pride. And when he gets angry at being reminded of animal suffering that his own daily choices might help avoid, that is moral cowardice. ~Matthew Scully Harsh as that may be, it does hold some merit. I think. But it's what many people have to do. I don't begrudge people their decisions to follow what is a traditional and long standing way of life. To choose the route of vegetarianism or veganism is life altering. But not as much, or in the way that one might think. It is very painful to recognize the actual reality of the animal industry and to make the connection. It's not something many people can handle.
RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
Thanks Jenn---just saw this/your email. Yes, I'll rejoin. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol) we had an OT list I made, but I switched hosts, and so now everyone would have to RE-sign up for it, but it's easier this time.. I'll test it and make sure it works, then post the info on how to subscribe. It's different than how this list or my old one worked. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel Why do I always forget to recommend the towel! N
Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
In a message dated 11/28/05 12:06:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One, is the mad cowboy, who i don't know personally. Howard Lyman, ex-rancher - was 4th generation. He stood by Oprah's side when she battled the beef industry the Texas cattlemen. I had the opportunity to meet him when he was a speaker at the 1996 "March for the Animals" in Washington, D.C. What stories he can tell! Patti
