Thank you very much, Nina.  It’s very helpful!

 

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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:44 PM
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Subject: Re: bone marrow testat leastTesting for latent FeLV infection

 

Hi Hideyo,
Just last month we had a discussion about how best to detect whether a cat is harboring the virus latently.  Especially when a cat has tested positive and then later tests negative.  There is something called a PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction), that one of our list members had been told could reveal just that using blood.  We went back and forth with an answer from a chemist (Kate) that used to work at my specialist vet's and Dr. Susan, the vet who has been kind enough to answer some of our questions.  I was excited about the possibility, but apparently there is some doubt, at least based on the variable testing/interpretation methods whether it would be accurate.  Since I already mix, I decided that I would treat all those suspected of having FeLV as if they do.  I've pasted Kate's last response regarding testing because she included lots of good links for further research.
Nina

>From Kate:

Yes, Dr. Susan is correct that ELISA tests for the antigen of the FeLV virus.  If a patient is positive for a virus, say HIV, then the patient's serum contains antibodies to HIV and it will bind to the HIV antigens.  For simplicity I left this out.  I would like you to see how ELISA works.  If you go to www.biology.arizona.edu/immunology/activities/elisa/technique.html, there is an animation of how ELISA works that is simple to understand.  Dr. Susan also says that she recommends IFA.  If you look on the internet several studies also agree with her, and it appears to be also a good test.  However, she does not support PCR.  As I said before, lab interpretation of PCR may be difficult and purification of feline DNA from viral DNA, may be difficult, but not impossible and certainly doable.  PCR detects the nucleic acids of the virus.  More specific primers may be needed for PCR of FeLV, but scientifically, if you have these primers and a patient is positive, a positve PCR means positive infection. 

 

I've attached a whole bunch of web sites for you to look at.  Some are scientific papers, some are FeLV web sites, and some will help you learn more about the science of testing for FeLV.  The best suggestion that I can give is to learn the science behind these tests.  Secondly, I have included web sites that do not necessarily agree with each other.  I can find articles in Vet journals and in scientific journals that say that PCR is a really great thing for testing FeLV and is much better than ELISA.  I can also find journals that say PCR doesn't really give that great of results, and to use IFA if you get a negative test for ELISA.  You have to understand that there will always be debates in science and medicine.  Noboby knows the whole story on any virus, nor how to cure a virus.  We use science and experience to find out what works and how to make treatments better.  Both Dr. Susan and I come with our own opinions.  As a vet, she will see what works in her clinic.  Other vets may come to different conclusions.  As a scientist, I have my personal faith in testing such as PCR.  It's a great technique that allows us to take a small amount of genetic material and amplify it; However, for each specific virus we need to know the signature sequences of the virus, to make PCR more specific.  Basically, you are only getting opinions from both Dr. Susan and I.  Nobody knows how to cure a virus- any virus- from HIV to the common cold to FeLV. Period.  Animals doctors, human doctors, and scientists have one particularly irritating trait in common.  This is arrogance.  We do know the answers to many things, but what they don't want the public to know is that, what we do know is actually so very little in the scheme of things. For instance, the connation of brain surgeon, conjures up someone who is really smart.  Ask a neurolgist how memory is stored in the brain, and if he or she is honest, you will get the answer of "I don't know."  In other words, even the most basic question in neurology still can't be answered.  Never forget, there is alot we don't know.

 

The best thing I can let you know is to 1) keep asking questions, but more importantly, start learning the science behind these questions.  Do first hand research, grab virology, immunology, and biochemistry textbooks from a university bookstore (or you can buy them used on the internet).  Look up how antibodies and antigens work.  Look up PCR and how it works.  2) Know that science and medicine are ever changing, and we learn more everyday (including sometimes, that we can be wrong). 3) We do not have all the answers, and in fact we actually only know very little. 4) Keep faith that as more is learned about the virus, better treatments will come along, as well as better testing.  5) The more doctors and scientists you ask, the more opinions you will get.  Start learning the science for yourself, and you may find you agree or disagree with different treatments and proceedures.  Try out those treatments that you believe may work (do your homework first!!!).  The more informed you are, the better for your kitties.

 

<> <>Here is a list of articles and info to check out:
<>www.vetscite.org/issue1/tools/leute_7_0800.htm

www.healthgene.com/scripts/test.asp?code=D341

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9026077&dopt=Abstract

www.vet.ohio-state.edu/docs/vcs724/lectures/sherding/fiv.pdf

www.marleyfund.com/testing.html

www.vetmed.lsu.edu/oncology/RETRO.html

www.laboklin.de/en/VetInfo/LABOKLIN%20aktuell/FeLV_FIV_FIP_questions.htm (quote from:)

FeLV-Diagnosis:
Usually an antigen-ELISA is used to detect a FeLV-infection. All tests on the market detect the p27-antigen of the virus. They have more or less the same level of sensitivity, but often vary in specificity due to the low prevalence of FeLV in the cat population. Thus, the reliability of a negative result is quite high, but the risk to get a false positive result is statistically around 20%. Especially in the case of questionable results it is advised to confirm positive results with an additional test on a different basis like immunofluorescence or PCR.
Antibody detection is not useful in the diagnostic of FeLV, because of the high proportion of transient infections especially in roaming cats.

 

http://www.users.waitrose.com/~thecatgroup/fiv.html

Testing for FIV

There are several test systems available for FIV including in-practice test kits. In-practice tests detect anti-virus antibody, usually directed against a viral core protein (p24), the transmembrane envelope protein (gp40) or a combination of both. The most common test systems are based on enzyme-linked immunosorbent assays (ELISA) or immunochromatography (IC). Combination tests that enable simultaneous testing for FIV and FeLV are widely used.

The more specialised tests include immunofluorescence and western blotting for the detection of antibodies to FIV, and virus isolation and polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for the detection of the virus itself. Several laboratories use immunofluorescence as their first-line test, as this is very sensitive and detects antibody to any of the viral proteins. Western blotting is a second sensitive test, which allows the detection of antibodies to individual viral proteins. Virus isolation is sensitive but is limited by practical considerations (expense, facilities and time) and it is not suitable for routine use. PCR tests, which detect the FIV nucleic acids (genetic material) are now more readily available and are very sensitive.

Similar issues of accuracy and the potential for errors apply to the in-practice test kits for anti-FIV antibody as for FeLV antigen. Providing the test has been performed correctly with an appropriate sample, and the specificity of the test is very high, positive results are generally reliable. However, it is recommended that a positive result on an in-practice test of a healthy cat should be confirmed by another type of test, such as immunofluorescence or western blotting. The in-practice test kits require blood samples and are best performed with serum or plasma, rather than whole blood. As with all test kits there is a possibility for false positive and false negative results. In cats with a high suspicion of infection but which are negative on in-practice test kits, use of another test system to confirm the negative result is also highly recommended.

www.vetscite.org/issue1/tools/txt_leut_0800.htm

***www.biology.arizona.edu/immunology/activities/elisa/technique.html --- look at the animation

 

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