Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-28 Thread Mirinda de Jonge 
Good morning
Can you please remove me from this mailing list.
Best WishesMirinda

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-07 Thread Amani Oakley 
Jennifer – open mouth breathing and pain are also signs of severe anemia. I am 
sure that Maribel knows her cat and the situation much better than we can ever 
know it. I think it is important to encourage and support each other when we 
are trying to save a cat. I know that I have saved far far far too many cats 
who had been labeled as dying, and not save-able.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Jennifer 
Minnich
Sent: August 6, 2020 3:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Dear Maribel,   for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can 
be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the 
actual dying process, in any final stages of dying,  you are doing more harm 
than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly 
when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of 
respiratory distress) and pain (moaning).  When a body is dying,  it naturally 
stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice 
experience.Please try to talk to your vets,  or research ‘stages of dying’  
in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of 
dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, 
brighthaven.org<http://brighthaven.org> is an excellent resource for this 
information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly 
compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)...
Wishing you and Amy love and comfort...
Jennifer


On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, 
"dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging.   i was syringe 
feeding my 12 year old Homey.  had to cover my lap .  i mixed the canned food 
with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe.  then broke my right arm and 
had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her 
alive.  she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg.  also after started 
giving treats as reward for taking pill.  loves the treats but not her food.  
have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go.  going to try your method 
of balling up the food.  may be neater and get more down her.

- Original Message -
From: Maribel Piloto mailto:pilo...@bellsouth.net>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi



On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq f

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Amani Oakley 
Do you mean you ordered the Winstrol already from Wedgewood, or are you 
referring to pain medication being ordered?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 11:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I ordered it from Wedgewood already.   Problem is that even paying $30 for 
overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday.   They need time to 
compound it and then there’s the weekend.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:

Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.

Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? 
If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will 
put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet 
can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain 
medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just 
be rubbed into the inside of the ears.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Maribel Piloto 
I ordered it from Wedgewood already.   Problem is that even paying $30 for 
overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday.   They need time to 
compound it and then there’s the weekend.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
> the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.
>  
> Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, 
> etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that 
> will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the 
> vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some 
> pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which 
> can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>  
> The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
> syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
> breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now 
> and just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but 
> after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was 
> only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
>  
> They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is 
> neither FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite 
> and other parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I 
> fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in 
> South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around 
> here where I can't get that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it 
> seems.
>  
> Maribel 
>  
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>  
>  
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
> that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
> you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.
> 
> One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft 
> wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open 
> their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets 
> spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have 
> found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a 
> bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually 
> after a few sittings though.
> 
> I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
> into a cat who won't eat on her own.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order 
> it.  
> 
> Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving 
> her some subq fluids.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> > may be able to order it sooner.
> > 
> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but 
> > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell 
> > from his behaviour. 
> > 
> > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to 
> > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> > option.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> > Piloto
> > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
&g

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Amani Oakley 
Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.

Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? 
If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will 
put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet 
can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain 
medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just 
be rubbed into the inside of the ears.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
>
> Maribel
>
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Ardy Robertson 
Maribel - I'm sorry, I didn't see in your original email that you have already 
been in contact with Wedgewood.
Ardy
-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is dying 
from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after the 
transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered the drug 
from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell 
me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.

Maribel 

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-Mohandas Ghandi

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Ardy Robertson 
Hi Maribel - When my beloved kitty Tigger had feline leukemia, I had a very 
difficult time getting Winstrol anywhere. I finally found a "compounding 
pharmacy" in Arizona, called Diamondback Drugs. I believe it is called 
Wedgewood Pharmacy now. Here is a link to their website - 
https://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/about-us/arizona-location.html

They are located at 7631 East Indian School Road, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 and 
their phone is 800-331-8272. They list their hours as Monday through Friday 7 
a.m. to 7 p.m. and Saturday 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. I found them extremely helpful and 
they had Winstrol in different forms and flavors. I chose the liquid in salmon 
flavor because it was easier to give Tigg liquid than pills. They also shipped 
overnight and even called later to see how my cat was doing! Amani can give you 
the details of the regimen she used to treat her Zander with great success. 
Best of luck to you and Amy!!

 

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

Osseo  WI  54758

 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

 

Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is dying 
from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after the 
transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered the drug 
from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell 
me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.

 

Maribel 

 

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-Mohandas Ghandi

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Amani Oakley 
Maribel

I went back at looked at the old emails I have archived, and found that one of 
the online vet pharmacies recommended by people was Diamondback Pharmacy in 
Arizona. People were able to get Winstrol in liquid form from them. In looking 
Diamondback up on the internet, I see another one, Wedgewood Pharmacy, which 
has testimonials from different placed in the U.S. It may be related to 
Diamondback. I also see VetRx, an online compounding pharmacy.

I just don’t understand why your vet isn’t helping you with this?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
>
> Maribel
>
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Jennifer Minnich 
Dear Maribel,   for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can 
be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the 
actual dying process, in any final stages of dying,  you are doing more harm 
than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly 
when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of 
respiratory distress) and pain (moaning).  When a body is dying,  it naturally 
stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice 
experience.Please try to talk to your vets,  or research ‘stages of dying’  
in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of 
dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, brighthaven.org 
is an excellent resource for this information and guidance that I have 
referenced — they also have amazingly compassionate consultations if you need 
guidance of what to look for...)... 
Wishing you and Amy love and comfort...
Jennifer


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net"  
> wrote:
> 
> have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging.   i was syringe 
> feeding my 12 year old Homey.  had to cover my lap .  i mixed the canned food 
> with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe.  then broke my right arm 
> and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep 
> her alive.  she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg.  also after 
> started giving treats as reward for taking pill.  loves the treats but not 
> her food.  have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go.  going to 
> try your method of balling up the food.  may be neater and get more down her.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Maribel Piloto 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
> syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
> breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now 
> and just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but 
> after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was 
> only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
> 
> They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is 
> neither FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite 
> and other parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I 
> fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in 
> South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around 
> here where I can't get that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it 
> seems.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
> that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
> you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.
> 
> One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft 
> wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open 
> their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets 
> spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have 
> found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a 
> bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually 
> after a few sittings though.
> 
> I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
> into a cat who won't eat on her own.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order 
> it.  
> 
> Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving 
> her some subq fluids.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> > may be able to order it sooner.
> > 
> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> > dropped

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread dlg...@windstream.net 
have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging.   i was syringe 
feeding my 12 year old Homey.  had to cover my lap .  i mixed the canned food 
with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe.  then broke my right arm and 
had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her 
alive.  she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg.  also after started 
giving treats as reward for taking pill.  loves the treats but not her food.  
have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go.  going to try your method 
of balling up the food.  may be neater and get more down her.
- Original Message -
From: Maribel Piloto 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.
Maribel 
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


 On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
 wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.One thing I learned how to do 
with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a 
ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the 
back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of 
it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to 
cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of 
the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though.I agree that 
giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who 
won't eat on her own.Amani-Original Message-From: Felvtalk 
 On Behalf Of Maribel PilotoSent: August 
5, 2020 7:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol 
(Stanozolol)I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how 
to order it.  Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, 
Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids.Maribel "The greatness of a nation can 
be judged by the way its animals are treated."-Mohandas Ghandi> On Aug 5, 2020, 
at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:> > I don’t know of 
any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may be able to order 
it sooner.> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but 
my Zander dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that 
point, he needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next 
Monday - slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but 
Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from 
his behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the 
Winstrol to you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that 
isn’t an option.> > Amani> > -Original Message-> From: Felvtalk 
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto> Sent: August 
5, 2020 6:59 PM> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol 
(Stanozolol)> > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My 
cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 
17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I 
ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day 
delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.> > 
Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-06 Thread Maribel Piloto 
The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.
Maribel 
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi 

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
 wrote:  
 
 Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.  

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
> 
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour. 
> 
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-05 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter 
Maribel, I don't have a solution, but I'm sure praying for you and Amy. 
Sandy W
> On 08/05/2020 7:24 PM Maribel Piloto  wrote:
> 
>  
> I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order 
> it.  
> 
> Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving 
> her some subq fluids.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> > may be able to order it sooner.
> > 
> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but 
> > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell 
> > from his behaviour. 
> > 
> > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to 
> > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> > option.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> > Piloto
> > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> > 
> > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is 
> > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 
> > after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I 
> > ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next 
> > day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it 
> > quickly.
> > 
> > Maribel 
> > 
> > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
> > treated."
> > -Mohandas Ghandi
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-05 Thread Amani Oakley 
Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.  

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
> 
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour. 
> 
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is 
> dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after 
> the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered 
> the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
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> -Mohandas Ghandi
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-05 Thread Maribel Piloto 
I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.  

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
> 
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour. 
> 
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is 
> dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after 
> the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered 
> the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

2020-08-05 Thread Amani Oakley 
I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may 
be able to order it sooner.

However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
behaviour. 

Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an option.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is dying 
from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after the 
transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered the drug 
from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell 
me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.

Maribel 

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