Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Hi Patti, I just found this email, sorry it's taken so long for me to respond. As far as you and that sign on your back... Yep, it's there, most humans aren't aware of it, but our furry friends sure do know a kind and open heart when they come across one. I'm convinced there's some sort of pipeline, they tell their friends where to go! Go ahead and complain/whine, we all understand. Bless you for all you do. About Taylor and Moonshadow's stools... One thing I've found that helps with diarrhea is making sure you're feeding a consistent diet. I had switched Gypsy to raw and it saved her life. She had a relapse after getting into Grace's food and then refused raw. After I finally got her eating again, I put her on cooked turkey and it did help her. IBD symptoms are so frustrating, I have tried so many things. You already know about homeopathics, I've seen you post about Bioplasma, that's always a good support rx. Hideyo has had success with Sulphur, Gypsy responded to Phosphorus, you've tried Ars album, how about China, (Cinchona officinalis)? I'd start with 6c doses and use a dosing method of one pellet dissolved in 2 to 4 oz amber bottles, 1/2 dropper at a time every hour up to 4 doses, (then evaluate to see if their "mentals"/symptoms seem improved). There are so many variables, why don't you contact my friend Darla, (homeopathic practitioner), http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm she'll be able to advise you a whole lot better than me. I would avoid the pred/met route if at all possible. Sometimes these measures are necessary, but they aren't supportive of the body's "vital force". I'd also stay away from the prescription diets, we all know what junk they usually are. Whatever you do, I'd keep up the probiotics, they can only help. Did you know that you can add the homeopathics to goat's milk, or yogurt? This is the only way I can get my once feral Gypsy dosed. I was really concerned about feeding her dairy, but she seems to have adjusted to it, and I'm pleased she's getting another source of calcium. There was a point that warmed goat's milk was all she'd eat. My AC said she liked the way it felt "going in and down". Those poor little sprites of yours are in my thoughts and prayers, they sure have been through a lot. Thank goodness they found their way to you! Much love to you my dear, hang in there! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Speaking about dry food, IBD etc... I just got back from vets and I am VERY frustrated. Taylor and Moonshade are my 2 "fosters" that came from the kill shelter in August and were the only 2 surviving distemper kittens. They were rescued in August, so it's been some time now and I am anxious to get them adopted. (I did get Thomas (Charity's grey kitten) adopted last week.Yeah) However, I still have Timothy, Charity's black kitten, Moonshade Taylor, PLUS a neighborhood stray wandered to the safety of my barn after being HBC. Needless to say, I took her to vets, thinking that she'd have to be euthanized, as her entire back end was twisted and shattered. X-rays revealed a broken pelvis and her right leg was shattered beyond repair, but.she was so sweet and a real trooper, NEVER crying out in pain or anythingand she was negative for both Felv FIV. So, after a discussion w/ vet, I opted for amputation of the leg. I just couldn't bear the thought of putting her down after she fought so hard to survive! She's doing quite well,(can even use litter box~a BIG concern I had),in fact, it was she who had her post-sx.check up today. And now, it seems her "sister" has shown up at my house too! See where I am going with this??? She is also sweet, but now there's another kitty that I'll have to spay, test and do full vetting on. AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL NEED A HOME!! I'm up to my eyeballs in cats here!! Really, I'm not complaining, just whining. LOL! I've moved to a much smaller home and with my 4 dogs and 5 cats, it's really quite "cozy". I also am on a fixed income now and no longer working. It would just be impossible for me to keep all these sweet cats, much as I'd like to. I must have a sign on my back reading, "ALL STRAYS WELCOME HERE." But what is a person supposed to do when there's an animal in need?? I've even tried locating the owner(s) of the orange girl and the new tiger... Of course nobody is going to admit they threw their cat out like trash.. G, it makes me so angry!! I'm wandering WAY OT here.. Sorry, I tend to do that. Getting back on topic. Taylor Moonshade have serious issues with stools. They have been de-wormed, using Nemex and Strongid. Also droncit, since they were infested with fleas when rescued. When their first stool sample was brought to vets, I did suspect coccidia or giardia, but was told it was negative. Needless to say, when the problem was unresolved, after treatment w/ metronidizole, I insisted vet do the fecal...and, yes, they DID have coccidia. So, they were treated with
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Also - have you tried adding a pinch of bone meal to their food? It's a band-aid sort of remedy, but it could help firm up their stools and give them the bonus of slowing the elimination process, thereby helping them to retain nutrients long enough to do them some good. N Nina wrote: Hi Patti, I just found this email, sorry it's taken so long for me to respond. As far as you and that sign on your back... Yep, it's there, most humans aren't aware of it, but our furry friends sure do know a kind and open heart when they come across one. I'm convinced there's some sort of pipeline, they tell their friends where to go! Go ahead and complain/whine, we all understand. Bless you for all you do. About Taylor and Moonshadow's stools... One thing I've found that helps with diarrhea is making sure you're feeding a consistent diet. I had switched Gypsy to raw and it saved her life. She had a relapse after getting into Grace's food and then refused raw. After I finally got her eating again, I put her on cooked turkey and it did help her. IBD symptoms are so frustrating, I have tried so many things. You already know about homeopathics, I've seen you post about Bioplasma, that's always a good support rx. Hideyo has had success with Sulphur, Gypsy responded to Phosphorus, you've tried Ars album, how about China, (Cinchona officinalis)? I'd start with 6c doses and use a dosing method of one pellet dissolved in 2 to 4 oz amber bottles, 1/2 dropper at a time every hour up to 4 doses, (then evaluate to see if their "mentals"/symptoms seem improved). There are so many variables, why don't you contact my friend Darla, (homeopathic practitioner), http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm she'll be able to advise you a whole lot better than me. I would avoid the pred/met route if at all possible. Sometimes these measures are necessary, but they aren't supportive of the body's "vital force". I'd also stay away from the prescription diets, we all know what junk they usually are. Whatever you do, I'd keep up the probiotics, they can only help. Did you know that you can add the homeopathics to goat's milk, or yogurt? This is the only way I can get my once feral Gypsy dosed. I was really concerned about feeding her dairy, but she seems to have adjusted to it, and I'm pleased she's getting another source of calcium. There was a point that warmed goat's milk was all she'd eat. My AC said she liked the way it felt "going in and down". Those poor little sprites of yours are in my thoughts and prayers, they sure have been through a lot. Thank goodness they found their way to you! Much love to you my dear, hang in there! Nina
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Nina, Speaking about dry food, IBD etc... I just got back from vets and I am VERY frustrated. Taylor and Moonshade are my 2 "fosters" that came from the kill shelter in August and were the only 2 surviving distemper kittens. They were rescued in August, so it's been some time now and I am anxious to get them adopted. (I did get Thomas (Charity's grey kitten) adopted last week.Yeah) However, I still have Timothy, Charity's black kitten, Moonshade Taylor, PLUS a neighborhood stray wandered to the safety of my barn after being HBC. Needless to say, I took her to vets, thinking that she'd have to be euthanized, as her entire back end was twisted and shattered. X-rays revealed a broken pelvis and her right leg was shattered beyond repair, but.she was so sweet and a real trooper, NEVER crying out in pain or anythingand she was negative for both Felv FIV. So, after a discussion w/ vet, I opted for amputation of the leg. I just couldn't bear the thought of putting her down after she fought so hard to survive! She's doing quite well,(can even use litter box~a BIG concern I had),in fact, it was she who had her post-sx.check up today. And now, it seems her "sister" has shown up at my house too! See where I am going with this??? She is also sweet, but now there's another kitty that I'll have to spay, test and do full vetting on. AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL NEED A HOME!! I'm up to my eyeballs in cats here!! Really, I'm not complaining, just whining. LOL! I've moved to a much smaller home and with my 4 dogs and 5 cats, it's really quite "cozy". I also am on a fixed income now and no longer working. It would just be impossible for me to keep all these sweet cats, much as I'd like to. I must have a sign on my back reading, "ALL STRAYS WELCOME HERE." But what is a person supposed to do when there's an animal in need?? I've even tried locating the owner(s) of the orange girl and the new tiger... Of course nobody is going to admit they threw their cat out like trash.. G, it makes me so angry!! I'm wandering WAY OT here.. Sorry, I tend to do that. Getting back on topic. Taylor Moonshade have serious issues with stools. They have been de-wormed, using Nemex and Strongid. Also droncit, since they were infested with fleas when rescued. When their first stool sample was brought to vets, I did suspect coccidia or giardia, but was told it was negative. Needless to say, when the problem was unresolved, after treatment w/ metronidizole, I insisted vet do the fecal...and, yes, they DID have coccidia. So, they were treated with albon...and albon was REPEATED after no major improvements with first round. So here's my dilemma. Fecal negative today and vet and I discussed IBD, which I thought could be part of their problem a while ago. They've been on the raw food diet. I have used slippery elm, arsenicum albon, acidophyllus, colustrum w/olive,brown rice and other holistic/homeopathic supplements. The vet wants me to try them on Hill's ID food, and I am not really keen on that idea... Now, I did feed that to Felix, my old man w/ IBD, mainly because he was so old and he must have found it to be very palatible, cause he LOVED it. I also used the supplements, and he responded very well. My concern here is these 2 girls are so young and I just don't want to jump into the prescription diet thing with them... With all your experience with IBD Nina, what should I do for them?? I just feel so bad, I want them to get back on track.they deserve to have a permanent, loving home after all they've been thru. They are such love-muffins!! Oh yeah, vet also said that if they continue with loose stools, to start them on regime of prednisone AND metronidizole! Believe me, I am NOT crazy about that idea either. I realize in some instances steroids ARE the way to go, but I just want to explore some more natural, less invasive type things. Know what I mean?? Anyway, now that I've written a mini-novel, PLEASE give me some suggestions and advice. I want to do whatever possible to get these girls healthy. Thanks in advance Nina! (And anyone elsewho has suggestions!!) Hugs, Patti
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
well, negative stool samples don't necessarily mean that kitty doesn't have parasites. Have them check for clostridium perfringens as well - it took several months of testing and treatments and food changes before my vets tested Smoky for that and sure enough, positive. And with some of these critters, the treatment should be for weeks, not days - Smoky was on Tylan for about 9 months, but he cleared up:)with both the tylan and the metronidazole, you need to put them in gel caps - the met because it is seriously vile and the tylan because it comes in powder form and I have yet to meet a kitty who will eat medicated food. (Supplemented is different, my boys eat their food with the prozyme and l-glutamine w/no fussing).[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Speaking about dry food, IBD etc... I just got back from vets and I am VERY frustrated. Taylor and Moonshade are my 2 "fosters" that came from the kill shelter in August and were the only 2 surviving distemper kittens. They were rescued in August, so it's been some time now and I am anxious to get them adopted. (I did get Thomas (Charity's grey kitten) adopted last week.Yeah) However, I still have Timothy, Charity's black kitten, Moonshade Taylor, PLUS a neighborhood stray wandered to the safety of my barn after being HBC. Needless to say, I took her to vets, thinking that she'd have to be euthanized, as her entire back end was twisted and shattered. X-rays revealed a broken pelvis and her right leg was shattered beyond repair, but.she was so sweet and a real trooper, NEVER crying out in pain or anythingand she was negative for both Felv FIV. So, after a discussion w/ vet, I opted for amputation of the leg. I just couldn't bear the thought of putting her down after she fought so hard to survive! She's doing quite well,(can even use litter box~a BIG concern I had),in fact, it was she who had her post-sx.check up today. And now, it seems her "sister" has shown up at my house too! See where I am going with this??? She is also sweet, but now there's another kitty that I'll have to spay, test and do full vetting on. AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL NEED A HOME!! I'm up to my eyeballs in cats here!! Really, I'm not complaining, just whining. LOL! I've moved to a much smaller home and with my 4 dogs and 5 cats, it's really quite "cozy". I also am on a fixed income now and no longer working. It would just be impossible for me to keep all these sweet cats, much as I'd like to. I must have a sign on my back reading, "ALL STRAYS WELCOME HERE." But what is a person supposed to do when there's an animal in need?? I've even tried locating the owner(s) of the orange girl and the new tiger... Of course nobody is going to admit they threw their cat out like trash.. G, it makes me so angry!! I'm wandering WAY OT here.. Sorry, I tend to do that. Getting back on topic. Taylor Moonshade have serious issues with stools. They have been de-wormed, using Nemex and Strongid. Also droncit, since they were infested with fleas when rescued. When their first stool sample was brought to vets, I did suspect coccidia or giardia, but was told it was negative. Needless to say, when the problem was unresolved, after treatment w/ metronidizole, I insisted vet do the fecal...and, yes, they DID have coccidia. So, they were treated with albon...and albon was REPEATED after no major improvements with first round. So here's my dilemma. Fecal negative today and vet and I discussed IBD, which I thought could be part of their problem a while ago. They've been on the raw food diet. I have used slippery elm, arsenicum albon, acidophyllus, colustrum w/olive,brown rice and other holistic/homeopathic supplements. The vet wants me to try them on Hill's ID food, and I am not really keen on that idea... Now, I did feed that to Felix, my old man w/ IBD, mainly because he was so old and he must have found it to be very palatible, cause he LOVED it. I also used the supplements, and he responded very well. My concern here is these 2 girls are so young and I just don't want to jump into the prescription diet thing with them... With all your experience with IBD Nina, what should I do for them?? I just feel so bad, I want them to get back on track.they deserve to have a permanent, loving home after all they've been thru. They are such love-muffins!! Oh yeah, vet also said that if they continue with loose stools, to start them on regime of prednisone AND metronidizole! Believe me, I am NOT crazy about that idea either. I realize in some instances steroids ARE the way to go, but I just want to explore some more natural, less invasive type things. Know what I mean?? Anyway, now that I've written a mini-novel, PLEASE give me some suggestions and advice. I want to do whatever possible to get these girls healthy. Thanks in advance Nina! (And anyone elsewho has suggestions!!) Hugs, PattiBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Patti, have they been tested for Trichomonosis? I've had several cases of that here recently. If you vet needs more info (since it's not well known yet) he/she can call my vet to inquire about the testing and treatment. It's all still very new. It's uncommon in cats but leads to loose stools that do NOT respond to ANY other treatment. It requires a special specific test kit that JUST came out to the market. I have a suspicion that many cats diagnosed as IBD may actually have Trich. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Thanks for the info. I completely forgot about clostridium.(DUH!!) Feeling st_p*d. That was something that came up at shelter. I remember we had to order the injectable Tylan (Tylosin) when we had an outbreak with our ferals.. I will call vet tomorrow and ask her to please check stools again I just feel so bad for the girls, they are the sweetest babies. I want them to be healthy. If I do not get satisfaction w/ my usual vet, I'll have the wonderful vet that does my low cost spay/neuters send stool samples out for diagnosisHmmm, I just might do that anyway, cause his charge for fecals sent to lab(he did fecals for Thomas Timothy), are LESS than in-house at my vet...(As I ramble on once again) Thanks for the advice! Patti
