Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Hi Thanks for all the suggestions. We added another litter pan and changed the litter and also dewormed him. took Yodel to the vet the other day and he says he looks good and everything is well with him. He hasn't pooed in the tub or on top of my husbands coat so far, thank god...I am also crossing my fingers that there are no little presents anywhere. Yodel finds places to relax away from the dogs in the cat tree and also higher places around the apartment. So thank you all for the information. I really appreciate it. From Jeni Papoose & Yodel From: Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: a little help with litter training the new cat Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:17:45 -0600 Also - has he had anything to deal with intestinal parasites? Might talk to the vet and get something for parasites - or get a stool test. Think our rescue uses Drontal and Flagyl before adopting out, for that sort of thing. It's not unusual for cats coming out of rescue to have that sort of thing and to poo inappropriately. Re the other dogs and cats s- give him some "chill" time along in the bathroom or wherever, so he has a chance to regroup periodically. Gloria On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Patricia Lamoretti wrote: Sounds like a possible case of IBD. Cats will typically go outside the box because there's discomfort ... kinda like a urinary problem. Has Yodel been tested for parasites (just starting with basics)? You may want to change the food. Try a higher protein, human grade, canned food. Stay away from the kibble and if that doesn't work ... see a vet, I guess ... Unless someone has another suggestion? You can also go onto Feline IBD sites/groups/message boards and post there about your problem. Good Luck -- PAT JENI RECA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel- lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him) Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
My kitties that had recurrent litter box problems had recurrent tapeworm problems. To this day, they will miss the box when they get tapes. Fortunately, they haven't had tapes in quite a while. A tablespoon of pumpkin (canned raw pumpkin, not pie filler which has sugar and spices that you don't want) can help some cats with recurrent problems. Kefir or yougurt is another aid that occasionally works. Definitely feed fiber (pumpkin or a food with high fiber content). Of course good litter box hygiene and experiment with different litters. I like 2 litter boxes to every 3 cats some groups may require more but his works well for my crew. I do let my cats outside to go to the bathroom as well. I have two females that will not use a used box. Even if the box is used only once. Multiple boxes is necessary and two cleanings daily are a necessary minimum for my bunch. IBD is actually quite rare. Missed litter boxes is more likely to be caused from other causes. A good vet workup does not hurt but don't rush into an IBD diagnosis. I know folks that spent a lot of time with that diagnosis only to have the problem instantly solved with pumpkin. Hope some of this helps. Good luck. Been there and know the frustration but take heart, the problems can be overcome. Patricia Lamoretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Sounds like a possible case of IBD. Cats will typically go outside the box because there's discomfort ... kinda like a urinary problem. Has Yodel been tested for parasites (just starting with basics)? You may want to change the food. Try a higher protein, human grade, canned food. Stay away from the kibble and if that doesn't work ... see a vet, I guess ... Unless someone has another suggestion? You can also go onto Feline IBD sites/groups/message boards and post there about your problem. Good Luck -- PAT JENI RECA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him) Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Just ideas that I may have already posted: Try a fairly large Rubbermaid container with an unscented litter. The high sides may provide security as Nina has suggested. You could try it with and/or without the lid on it. My cats had scented litter. I strongly urge you not to use it. Arm and Hammer makes an unscented (almost) one and I think there are others. Once I found one my cats accepted I didn't change. Have Yodel's anal glands checked. They may be impacted. Use Feliway spray where he should not go and in his area in general. Try Rescue Remedy in his water. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: a little help with litter training the new cat Hi Jeni, I'm sorry Yodel is having difficulties adjusting :(. You didn't mention if Yodel's stool is normal looking, or if it is loose. I'm wondering if using the bathtub had to do with seeking privacy. He might have felt safer when in, um, such a vulnerable position, having the walls of the tub around him. Why don't you try a covered box? You could add that just about anywhere without worry about the dogs helping them to a smelly treat, (unless your dogs are small enough to go in there too!). You said you changed the type of litter you were using, but you didn't say what kind it is. I have found that my cats prefer the silty clumping litter the best. Maybe because it's softer on their paws, more like outside dirt in consistency and not as messy in between litterbox cleaning. From what you say, it sounds like Yodel may need a little more time to acclimate to your household. One technique for litterbox aversion, that is not health related, is to isolate kitty in a smaller room with one or two litterboxes readily available. So putting Yodel back into the bathroom, might help on both counts. I use a screen door on the bathroom at first to allow the new cat to adjust to their new home's sights and smells, it's hard on them to be isolated behind closed doors. After they have gotten used to everyone's presence and there is no more hissing, I'll switch to a low barrier, (my dogs respect barriers though). That way Yodel can retreat back to his safe haven just by hopping the barrier. Of course, Papoose can follow, but it will be easier for Yodel to contend with him and it will have been established that it's Yodel's territory which will give him the upper paw. One other thing, make sure there are plenty of high "perches" that Yodel can quickly retreat to throughout the apt. Knowing he can escape unwanted attention quickly will help him feel more secure. I'm sorry about your husband's coat, but I'm betting that Yodel is much more upset about things than he is! Nina JENI RECA wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Hi Jeni, I'm sorry Yodel is having difficulties adjusting :(. You didn't mention if Yodel's stool is normal looking, or if it is loose. I'm wondering if using the bathtub had to do with seeking privacy. He might have felt safer when in, um, such a vulnerable position, having the walls of the tub around him. Why don't you try a covered box? You could add that just about anywhere without worry about the dogs helping them to a smelly treat, (unless your dogs are small enough to go in there too!). You said you changed the type of litter you were using, but you didn't say what kind it is. I have found that my cats prefer the silty clumping litter the best. Maybe because it's softer on their paws, more like outside dirt in consistency and not as messy in between litterbox cleaning. From what you say, it sounds like Yodel may need a little more time to acclimate to your household. One technique for litterbox aversion, that is not health related, is to isolate kitty in a smaller room with one or two litterboxes readily available. So putting Yodel back into the bathroom, might help on both counts. I use a screen door on the bathroom at first to allow the new cat to adjust to their new home's sights and smells, it's hard on them to be isolated behind closed doors. After they have gotten used to everyone's presence and there is no more hissing, I'll switch to a low barrier, (my dogs respect barriers though). That way Yodel can retreat back to his safe haven just by hopping the barrier. Of course, Papoose can follow, but it will be easier for Yodel to contend with him and it will have been established that it's Yodel's territory which will give him the upper paw. One other thing, make sure there are plenty of high "perches" that Yodel can quickly retreat to throughout the apt. Knowing he can escape unwanted attention quickly will help him feel more secure. I'm sorry about your husband's coat, but I'm betting that Yodel is much more upset about things than he is! Nina JENI RECA wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him)
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Also - has he had anything to deal with intestinal parasites? Might talk to the vet and get something for parasites - or get a stool test. Think our rescue uses Drontal and Flagyl before adopting out, for that sort of thing. It's not unusual for cats coming out of rescue to have that sort of thing and to poo inappropriately.Re the other dogs and cats s- give him some "chill" time along in the bathroom or wherever, so he has a chance to regroup periodically.GloriaOn Mar 25, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Patricia Lamoretti wrote:Sounds like a possible case of IBD. Cats will typically go outside the box because there's discomfort ... kinda like a urinary problem. Has Yodel been tested for parasites (just starting with basics)? You may want to change the food. Try a higher protein, human grade, canned food. Stay away from the kibble and if that doesn't work ... see a vet, I guess ... Unless someone has another suggestion? You can also go onto Feline IBD sites/groups/message boards and post there about your problem. Good Luck -- PAT JENI RECA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him) Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
Sounds like a possible case of IBD. Cats will typically go outside the box because there's discomfort ... kinda like a urinary problem. Has Yodel been tested for parasites (just starting with basics)? You may want to change the food. Try a higher protein, human grade, canned food. Stay away from the kibble and if that doesn't work ... see a vet, I guess ... Unless someone has another suggestion? You can also go onto Feline IBD sites/groups/message boards and post there about your problem. Good Luck -- PAT JENI RECA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him) Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
a little help with litter training the new cat
Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat) ...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him)
