Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[Nina]

Yep, there's a 'bus' with your name on it out there somewhere.  Now that 
is guaranteed. 
N


MaryChristine wrote:
and the real thing that people keep forgetting is that there are no 
guarantees for the kitties who DON'T have FeLV! your $2,500 showcat 
can fall over permanently from HCM, anyone can throw a blood clot, 
etc. same with people--if we stop loving other living things because 
they're gonna get sick and die, well, think about it


MC

On 5/9/07, *Sheryl Spagg* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Thanks Nina.  I actually called my vet and talked to
my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS.
She explained to me about the disease and told me
about a kitten she had that was positive and she had
to find a home for but other than that there was NO
talk of PTS.  Any vet that tells people that has
certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by
any means, but there is no way I would put a
cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of
getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I
already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have
issues (Diabetes & Seizures) so you never know if a
cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that
matter...it is life and you deal with it...you
certainly don't give up!
Sheryl

Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[MaryChristine]

and the real thing that people keep forgetting is that there are no
guarantees for the kitties who DON'T have FeLV! your $2,500 showcat can fall
over permanently from HCM, anyone can throw a blood clot, etc. same with
people--if we stop loving other living things because they're gonna get sick
and die, well, think about it

MC

On 5/9/07, Sheryl Spagg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks Nina.  I actually called my vet and talked to
my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS.
She explained to me about the disease and told me
about a kitten she had that was positive and she had
to find a home for but other than that there was NO
talk of PTS.  Any vet that tells people that has
certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by
any means, but there is no way I would put a
cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of
getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I
already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have
issues (Diabetes & Seizures) so you never know if a
cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that
matter...it is life and you deal with it...you
certainly don't give up!
Sheryl


--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hurray!  Thank you for reminding me once again how
> the rewards of being
> a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we
> endure.  It's filled
> with people just like the two of you.  People that
> put their intuition
> and heart before the advice of others that don't
> know any better, or
> have found themselves in circumstances that they
> feel force them to make
> such drastic and final choices.  One loving guardian
> at a time, one
> educated vet at a time, we are making a difference
> in our world.
> Much love, happiness and health to you and your
> households,
> Nina
>
> Sheryl Spagg wrote:
> > Hi Deana,
> > Like you, I am new to this as well.  My friend and
> I
> > rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month
> old
> > boy.  The boy turned up negative but the momma
> turned
> > up positive.  We were told by other rescuers to
> have
> > all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't
> do
> > it.  We didn't feel like we knew enough about this
> > disease to take happy healthy kittens and have
> them
> > PTS.  I am so glad I didn't do it because now that
> I
> > know more there is a huge chance these kittens can
> > have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at
> all
> > so who knows if for one the test was right or if
> the
> > babies will even get it.  We have actually already
> > found homes for the boy and one of the babies in
> the
> > same home and the family has decided to give the
> FeLV
> > vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can
> and
> > will have a better chance at life because we chose
> not
> > to PTS...keep up the good work with the
> kittens...it
> > is so worth it.
> > Sheryl
> >
> >
> > --- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I am new to the list and need some advice.  We
> have
> >> a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there
> has
> >> been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
> >> possible.  I have been successful in turning two
> of
> >> them into great house cats.   One was negative
> and
> >> vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
> >> months now. The other kitty is several years old
> and
> >> was spayed, but as far as I know she
> wasnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then
> >> decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had
> her
> >> tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I suspect
> she
> >> is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped.
> She
> >> is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like
> a true
> >> feral.
> >> Another feral in the neighborhood had a little
> late
> >> last summer.  Before I could capture these guys,
> one
> >> of the females got pregnant and delivered the
> litter
> >> of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a
> day
> >> old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray
> mother
> >> and got one of the kittens.  The mother cat went
> up
> >> a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her,
> with
> >> no luck.  I watched the kittens for about four
> >> hours, and she never returned.  We got some kmr
> and
> >> feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch
> >> for her to return.  She returned in the middle of
> >> the night on Sunday night in a rain storm,
> obviously
> >> in bad shape.   I just happened to look out when
> I
> >> was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding
> the
> >> kittens.  I took her to the vet as soon they
> opened
> >> yesterday morning, but she died from the
> injuries.
> >> The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with
> the
> >> comment that if the cat was positive, you
> wouldnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> want to treat her any way.)  The vet reported
> there
> >> was a negative test, then a second test was
> >> positive.  The vet then suggested that all of the
> >> kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that
> they
> >> were positive.
> >>
> >> I havenâEUR^(T

Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[Sheryl Spagg]

Thanks Nina.  I actually called my vet and talked to
my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS.
 She explained to me about the disease and told me
about a kitten she had that was positive and she had
to find a home for but other than that there was NO
talk of PTS.  Any vet that tells people that has
certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by
any means, but there is no way I would put a
cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of
getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I
already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have
issues (Diabetes & Seizures) so you never know if a
cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that
matter...it is life and you deal with it...you
certainly don't give up!
Sheryl


--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hurray!  Thank you for reminding me once again how
> the rewards of being 
> a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we
> endure.  It's filled 
> with people just like the two of you.  People that
> put their intuition 
> and heart before the advice of others that don't
> know any better, or 
> have found themselves in circumstances that they
> feel force them to make 
> such drastic and final choices.  One loving guardian
> at a time, one 
> educated vet at a time, we are making a difference
> in our world.
> Much love, happiness and health to you and your
> households,
> Nina
> 
> Sheryl Spagg wrote:
> > Hi Deana,
> > Like you, I am new to this as well.  My friend and
> I
> > rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month
> old
> > boy.  The boy turned up negative but the momma
> turned
> > up positive.  We were told by other rescuers to
> have
> > all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't
> do
> > it.  We didn't feel like we knew enough about this
> > disease to take happy healthy kittens and have
> them
> > PTS.  I am so glad I didn't do it because now that
> I
> > know more there is a huge chance these kittens can
> > have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at
> all
> > so who knows if for one the test was right or if
> the
> > babies will even get it.  We have actually already
> > found homes for the boy and one of the babies in
> the
> > same home and the family has decided to give the
> FeLV
> > vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can
> and
> > will have a better chance at life because we chose
> not
> > to PTS...keep up the good work with the
> kittens...it
> > is so worth it.
> > Sheryl
> >
> >
> > --- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> I am new to the list and need some advice.  We
> have
> >> a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there
> has
> >> been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
> >> possible.  I have been successful in turning two
> of
> >> them into great house cats.   One was negative
> and
> >> vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
> >> months now. The other kitty is several years old
> and
> >> was spayed, but as far as I know she
> wasnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then
> >> decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had
> her
> >> tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I suspect
> she
> >> is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. 
> She
> >> is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like
> a true
> >> feral.
> >> Another feral in the neighborhood had a little
> late
> >> last summer.  Before I could capture these guys,
> one
> >> of the females got pregnant and delivered the
> litter
> >> of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a
> day
> >> old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray
> mother
> >> and got one of the kittens.  The mother cat went
> up
> >> a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her,
> with
> >> no luck.  I watched the kittens for about four
> >> hours, and she never returned.  We got some kmr
> and
> >> feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch
> >> for her to return.  She returned in the middle of
> >> the night on Sunday night in a rain storm,
> obviously
> >> in bad shape.   I just happened to look out when
> I
> >> was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding
> the
> >> kittens.  I took her to the vet as soon they
> opened
> >> yesterday morning, but she died from the
> injuries. 
> >> The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with
> the
> >> comment that if the cat was positive, you
> wouldnâEUR^(TM)t
> >> want to treat her any way.)  The vet reported
> there
> >> was a negative test, then a second test was
> >> positive.  The vet then suggested that all of the
> >> kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that
> they
> >> were positive. 
> >>
> >> I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20
> years,
> >> although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was
> >> identified âEUR" so I am not familiar with it.  
> Based
> >> on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions
> >> about test results/vaccinating/etc.  
> >>
> >> We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are
> >> growing like crazy, crawling all over the place
> and

Re: need advice from new member - Thank you

[Nina]

Hurray!  Thank you for reminding me once again how the rewards of being 
a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we endure.  It's filled 
with people just like the two of you.  People that put their intuition 
and heart before the advice of others that don't know any better, or 
have found themselves in circumstances that they feel force them to make 
such drastic and final choices.  One loving guardian at a time, one 
educated vet at a time, we are making a difference in our world.

Much love, happiness and health to you and your households,
Nina

Sheryl Spagg wrote:

Hi Deana,
Like you, I am new to this as well.  My friend and I
rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old
boy.  The boy turned up negative but the momma turned
up positive.  We were told by other rescuers to have
all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do
it.  We didn't feel like we knew enough about this
disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them
PTS.  I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I
know more there is a huge chance these kittens can
have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all
so who knows if for one the test was right or if the
babies will even get it.  We have actually already
found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the
same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV
vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and
will have a better chance at life because we chose not
to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it
is so worth it.
Sheryl


--- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

  

I am new to the list and need some advice.  We have
a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has
been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
possible.  I have been successful in turning two of
them into great house cats.   One was negative and
vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
months now. The other kitty is several years old and
was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnâEUR^(TM)t
tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then
decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had her
tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I suspect she
is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped.  She
is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like a true
feral.
Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late
last summer.  Before I could capture these guys, one
of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter
of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a day
old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray mother
and got one of the kittens.  The mother cat went up
a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her, with
no luck.  I watched the kittens for about four
hours, and she never returned.  We got some kmr and
feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch
for her to return.  She returned in the middle of
the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously
in bad shape.   I just happened to look out when I
was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the
kittens.  I took her to the vet as soon they opened
yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. 
The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with the

comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnâEUR^(TM)t
want to treat her any way.)  The vet reported there
was a negative test, then a second test was
positive.  The vet then suggested that all of the
kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they
were positive. 


I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20 years,
although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was
identified âEUR" so I am not familiar with it.   Based
on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions
about test results/vaccinating/etc.  


We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are
growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and
donâEUR^(TM)t appear at all sick.  They were only with
their mother just under 24 hours.   (born last
Thursday.)  
Is this common to just give up on the babies without

knowing if they are positive or not? I would
appreciate any advice. 


Thanks
Deana







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