[Felvtalk] Vaccinating FELV+ cats for FELV
I haven't ever heard of any research that indicates what could happen if you vaccinate an FELV+ cat for FELV. Most people seem to assume that it would make no difference to the course of the FELV disease but I don't think that is based on real information. I thought the reason vets almost always recommend against it is that injection induced sarcoma - or tumor growth at the injection site - is highest for the FELV vaccine (although still very minimal). So vaccinating for FELV when not necessary is subjecting the cat to the risk of the tumor growth at the injection site. One might want to run the risk of tumor growth if there was a beneficial affect in terms of length of life with the vaccination. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating FELV+ cats for FELV
there are now internasal (?) FeLV vaccines, and once the connection between rabies and FeLV vaccines and Injection-Site-Sarcoma (ISS) was recognized, most of the companies removed the adjuvent which was suspected as the cause. now, however, research suggests that ISS -- formerly known as VAS, Vaccine-Associated Sarcoma -- has to do with the fact that for years and years and years, both in practice in general and in each cat in specific, all injections were given in the scruff of the neck, in roughly the same place.. the new vaccination protocols call for injecting different vaccines in different places, which identifies the culprit-vaccine should a reaction occur, protects from the repeated trauma to one site, and with the suggestion of vaccines administered in legs, allows for much easier treatment should a sarcoma develop. (much easier to amputate a leg after all.) if the archives are still available, and not lost in one of the server burps, could someone go back and find the whole discussion we had 2 or 3 years ago about this? there were a lot of anecdotal cases of vaccinated positives living much longer lives than most of us get to enjoy with our FeLVs--maybe if someone had the time to pull them out, ask the question again on this and other lists to get more reports, someone could present it to dr pedersen or dr levy, or as was suggested to me, to the folks at winn feline foundation (if we can get a professional researcher interested, they give annual grants..). MC On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:56 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: I haven't ever heard of any research that indicates what could happen if you vaccinate an FELV+ cat for FELV. Most people seem to assume that it would make no difference to the course of the FELV disease but I don't think that is based on real information. I thought the reason vets almost always recommend against it is that injection induced sarcoma - or tumor growth at the injection site - is highest for the FELV vaccine (although still very minimal). So vaccinating for FELV when not necessary is subjecting the cat to the risk of the tumor growth at the injection site. One might want to run the risk of tumor growth if there was a beneficial affect in terms of length of life with the vaccination. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating FELV+ cats for FELV
One might want to select a less than lethal site for the injection though. On Feb 20, 2009, at 12:56 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: I haven't ever heard of any research that indicates what could happen if you vaccinate an FELV+ cat for FELV. Most people seem to assume that it would make no difference to the course of the FELV disease but I don't think that is based on real information. I thought the reason vets almost always recommend against it is that injection induced sarcoma - or tumor growth at the injection site - is highest for the FELV vaccine (although still very minimal). So vaccinating for FELV when not necessary is subjecting the cat to the risk of the tumor growth at the injection site. One might want to run the risk of tumor growth if there was a beneficial affect in terms of length of life with the vaccination. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinating FELV+ cats for FELV
isn't that what i was saying? that's the point of the new protocols where each sort of shot is given in a different leg, or different body part, and NOT in the scruff On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.comwrote: One might want to select a less than lethal site for the injection though. On Feb 20, 2009, at 12:56 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: I haven't ever heard of any research that indicates what could happen if you vaccinate an FELV+ cat for FELV. Most people seem to assume that it would make no difference to the course of the FELV disease but I don't think that is based on real information. I thought the reason vets almost always recommend against it is that injection induced sarcoma - or tumor growth at the injection site - is highest for the FELV vaccine (although still very minimal). So vaccinating for FELV when not necessary is subjecting the cat to the risk of the tumor growth at the injection site. One might want to run the risk of tumor growth if there was a beneficial affect in terms of length of life with the vaccination. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
I have heard the same thing. I know that my cat Ginger, though, who is positive and about 6 years old, was given an FeLV shot at the shelter before her test came back positive, accidentally. She has had gingivitis problems but is the oldest and healthiest of the positives I have had (at least so far-- knock on wood!). I hate even saying stuff like that because I am so superstitious. Anyway, I would not intentionally vaccinate a positive for FeLV, but I just remembered about Ginger and so thought I would share. Michelle In a message dated 10/17/2005 11:04:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My only experience with a FeLV+ cats getting the vaccine was scary. One ofmy adult cats (prob. 5-8 years old -- rescue cat so we were unsure of age)was at the Vet's and without thinking, they gave him the FeLV vaccine. Shortly thereafter, he started a downward spiral and it only got worse,eventually (w/i 7 mos) I PTS. Now, it could be a coincidence, but it mademe uneasy. I have heard what you are saying, but until there is more info,I doubt I would intentionally do that. Maybe others have had a morepositive experience.
vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
Hi all, I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. Anybody heard of that? It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? Thanks! GLoria
RE: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
My only experience with a FeLV+ cats getting the vaccine was scary. One of my adult cats (prob. 5-8 years old -- rescue cat so we were unsure of age) was at the Vet's and without thinking, they gave him the FeLV vaccine. Shortly thereafter, he started a downward spiral and it only got worse, eventually (w/i 7 mos) I PTS. Now, it could be a coincidence, but it made me uneasy. I have heard what you are saying, but until there is more info, I doubt I would intentionally do that. Maybe others have had a more positive experience. Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 10/17/2005 11:56:26 AM Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV Hi all, I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. Anybody heard of that? It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? Thanks! GLoria
RE: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
I personally think that giving FeLV vaccines to FeLV cats is a very very bad idea (my holistic and regular vet both agrees) - regardless what type of vaccines you are giving, it will suppress their immune systems, and during the time, you will risk it (vaccines) triggering the very disease you are trying to protect them from or any other disease - I read an article where, Felv cats vaccinated against Felv, and it triggered FIP - they believed that the vaccine did not necessarily trigger FIP - but when giving the vaccine, the immune was suppressed, and it caused FIP to happen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV My only experience with a FeLV+ cats getting the vaccine was scary. One of my adult cats (prob. 5-8 years old -- rescue cat so we were unsure of age) was at the Vet's and without thinking, they gave him the FeLV vaccine. Shortly thereafter, he started a downward spiral and it only got worse, eventually (w/i 7 mos) I PTS. Now, it could be a coincidence, but it made me uneasy. I have heard what you are saying, but until there is more info, I doubt I would intentionally do that. Maybe others have had a more positive experience. Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 10/17/2005 11:56:26 AM Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV Hi all, I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. Anybody heard of that? It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? Thanks! GLoria
Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
Thanks, Tracy. Like I said, I'd never heard of it. I'll call the vet sometime, and see what he says (if I can get to talk with him...) Meanwhile, I'll stick with my interferon alpha. Interesting. Gloria On Oct 17, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Tracy Weese wrote: My only experience with a FeLV+ cats getting the vaccine was scary. One of my adult cats (prob. 5-8 years old -- rescue cat so we were unsure of age) was at the Vet's and without thinking, they gave him the FeLV vaccine. Shortly thereafter, he started a downward spiral and it only got worse, eventually (w/i 7 mos) I PTS. Now, it could be a coincidence, but it made me uneasy. I have heard what you are saying, but until there is more info, I doubt I would intentionally do that. Maybe others have had a more positive experience. Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 10/17/2005 11:56:26 AM Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV Hi all, I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. Anybody heard of that? It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? Thanks! GLoria
Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
I would not do it unless I saw more than one large study done that proved it's value in at least 80% of the cats used in the studies. Like I've said many times before, I don't believe in the FELV vaccine at all, any normal adult cat will develop the immunity against FELV in time anyways, so the vaccine is, IMO, worthless, because it's only doing what time would do to begin with. In addition, with the increased risk of VAS with the FELV vaccine, it's just NOT worth the risks to vaccinate ANY cat with the FELV vaccine. Period. Giving the FELV vaccine to a cat that already HAS FELV is doing nothing but increasing the cat's chance of getting a VAS (vaccine associated sarcoma). I will keep this stance until proven otherwise by scientific studies. The only time I advise for any cat to get the FELV vaccine is if the negative cat is going to be directly exposed to the FELV virus (like if you know you are going to mix a negative young cat with a positive one), and the cat is under 1 1/2 years old, and there's NO way to prevent the exposure. (really, not the case very often) Also worth saying again, ALL vaccines should be given as low as possible in the rear leg, in case a VAS develops, that way amputation can be done, and you can save the cat's life. Never ever ever ever allow your vet to give any vaccine in the scruff of the neck or back, or along the side of the cat's body where amputation of the injection site would not be possible! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.1/136 - Release Date: 10/15/2005
Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
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Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
My vet said to NEVER vaccinate as it will weaken their immune system. Chris - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV Hi all, I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. Anybody heard of that? It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? Thanks! GLoria -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/137 - Release Date: 10/16/2005
