Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 06:55:58PM -0400, Sean McGovern wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 19:32 Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 03:47:48PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:18:52 +0200 Michael Niedermayer < > > mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer < > > mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, > > Ubuntu > > > > > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > > > > > > > > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers > > Ubuntu > > > > > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > > > > > > > 18.04 has 152 > > > > > > > > libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 [installed] > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro IIUC > > till 2028-04 > > > > > > Do you think FFmpeg 7.1 will be back-ported to Ubuntu 18.04 for security > > > reasons? > > > > I would not expect that but i also didnt expect 7.0 would be backported > > to 22.04 and 24.04 and it seems someone did unofficial backports > > > > thx > > > > [...] > > -- > > Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB > > > > Nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. > > -- Abba Eban > > ___ > > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > > ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > > > > I think supporting anything earlier than 20.04 is obscene at this point. one of my boxes is such a "obscene" 18.04 box. I do want to upgrade it since a long time. Upgrading it isnt hard, it will just break scripts and tests. so not upgarding was the path of least resistance. But at some point i need to upgrade it thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Concerning the gods, I have no means of knowing whether they exist or not or of what sort they may be, because of the obscurity of the subject, and the brevity of human life -- Protagoras signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
tor 2024-04-11 klockan 18:55 -0400 skrev Sean McGovern: > Hi, > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 19:32 Michael Niedermayer > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 03:47:48PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:18:52 +0200 Michael Niedermayer < > > mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer < > > mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian > > > > > > > oldstable, > > Ubuntu > > > > > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > > > > > > > > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That > > > > > covers > > Ubuntu > > > > > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > > > > > > > 18.04 has 152 > > > > > > > > libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 > > > > [installed] > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro > > > > IIUC > > till 2028-04 > > > > > > Do you think FFmpeg 7.1 will be back-ported to Ubuntu 18.04 for > > > security > > > reasons? > > > > I would not expect that but i also didnt expect 7.0 would be > > backported > > to 22.04 and 24.04 and it seems someone did unofficial backports > > > > thx > > > > [...] > > -- > > Michael GnuPG fingerprint: > > 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB > > > > Nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other > > alternatives. > > -- Abba Eban > > ___ > > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > > ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > > > > I think supporting anything earlier than 20.04 is obscene at this > point. Some masochists such as myself maintain projects for Ubuntu 18.04 and also Debian 10 (Buster). /Tomas ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
Hi, On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 19:32 Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 03:47:48PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:18:52 +0200 Michael Niedermayer < > mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer < > mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, > Ubuntu > > > > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > > > > > > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers > Ubuntu > > > > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > > > > > 18.04 has 152 > > > > > > libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 [installed] > > > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro IIUC > till 2028-04 > > > > Do you think FFmpeg 7.1 will be back-ported to Ubuntu 18.04 for security > > reasons? > > I would not expect that but i also didnt expect 7.0 would be backported > to 22.04 and 24.04 and it seems someone did unofficial backports > > thx > > [...] > -- > Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB > > Nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. > -- Abba Eban > ___ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > I think supporting anything earlier than 20.04 is obscene at this point. -- Sean McGovern > ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 6:02 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Niedermayer (12024-04-11): > > Maybe its just me but i find it desireable to be able to just > > pull ffmpeg master head, build it and have it work on as many systems > > as possible. > > While the last time FFmpeg added features… is not that recent since > features are more being removed these days, but still recent enough. > This statement is false. Please stop spreading misinformation. -- Vittorio ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
Michael Niedermayer (12024-04-11): > Maybe its just me but i find it desireable to be able to just > pull ffmpeg master head, build it and have it work on as many systems > as possible. Not just you. The last time x264 had a change that would make me install from sources instead of using an older package was 2017, build 152. While the last time FFmpeg added features… is not that recent since features are more being removed these days, but still recent enough. Regards, -- Nicolas George ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 03:47:48PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:18:52 +0200 Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, > > > > > Ubuntu > > > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > > > > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers Ubuntu > > > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > > > 18.04 has 152 > > > > libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 [installed] > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro IIUC till > > 2028-04 > > Do you think FFmpeg 7.1 will be back-ported to Ubuntu 18.04 for security > reasons? I would not expect that but i also didnt expect 7.0 would be backported to 22.04 and 24.04 and it seems someone did unofficial backports thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. -- Abba Eban signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 03:30:23PM +0200, Hendrik Leppkes wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 3:19 PM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, > > > > > Ubuntu > > > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > > > > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers Ubuntu > > > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > > > 18.04 has 152 > > > > libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 [installed] > > > > Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro IIUC till > > 2028-04 > > > > Then they can use security updates from old release branches. The > assumption that people will run Git ffmpeg but distribution provided > x264 seems flawed. They can update dependencies that are important for > them. I use distribution provided packages unless i have a reason to do otherwise If i have no such reason every case where thats not wroking is extra work also if i take what you say litterally, then you provide an argument to drop support for every distribution and require every dependency to be from git head. I dont think you intended that and i dont think that would be a good idea. Maybe its just me but i find it desireable to be able to just pull ffmpeg master head, build it and have it work on as many systems as possible. If for some reason a user needs git master of FFmpeg that doesnt mean she needs anything else to be very recent. You suggest people should just use release branches to get security updates truth is, our release branches are sometimes behind git master also we dont support releases. If someone finds a bug we demand reports against git master. thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Complexity theory is the science of finding the exact solution to an approximation. Benchmarking OTOH is finding an approximation of the exact signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:18:52 +0200 Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, Ubuntu > > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers Ubuntu > > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > 18.04 has 152 > > libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 [installed] > > Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro IIUC till > 2028-04 Do you think FFmpeg 7.1 will be back-ported to Ubuntu 18.04 for security reasons? > > thx > > [...] > -- > Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB > > Those who are best at talking, realize last or never when they are wrong. > ___ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 3:19 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, Ubuntu > > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers Ubuntu > > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > 18.04 has 152 > > libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 [installed] > > Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro IIUC till > 2028-04 > Then they can use security updates from old release branches. The assumption that people will run Git ffmpeg but distribution provided x264 seems flawed. They can update dependencies that are important for them. The distribution itself is certainly never going to update. - Hendrik ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 02:53:28PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, Ubuntu > > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 > > I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers Ubuntu > 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. 18.04 has 152 libx264-dev/bionic,now 2:0.152.2854+gite9a5903-2 amd64 [installed] Ubuntu 18.04 still has security support in ESM and ubuntu pro IIUC till 2028-04 thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Those who are best at talking, realize last or never when they are wrong. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 22:28:26 +0200 Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > > From: Niklas Haas > > > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, Ubuntu > > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. > > Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 > Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 I'll relax it from 160 back down to version 155 then. That covers Ubuntu 20.04 and Debian oldoldstable. > > thx > > [...] > -- > Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB > > Nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. > -- Abba Eban > ___ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avcodec/libx264: bump minimum required version to 160
On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 07:44:52PM +0200, Niklas Haas wrote: > From: Niklas Haas > > This version is four years old, and present in Debian oldstable, Ubuntu > 22.04 and Leap 15.1. Ubuntu 20.04 has general support till 2025-05-29 Ubuntu 18.04 has security support (ESM) till 2028-04 thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. -- Abba Eban signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
