Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
2019-04-14 16:07 GMT+02:00, Ulf Zibis : > I don't know what to do right to fulfil his expectations. You could read my mails... Carl Eugen ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
Am 13.04.19 um 21:01 schrieb CherylJosie via ffmpeg-user: >>> this sort of bad behaviour."/ >> If anyone has an idea, how to deal with that, please write. >> -Ulf > > I’ll take a stab at it. > We cannot control the behavior of others. We can only control our own > behavior. > We might all first look within for solutions that work for us as individuals > rather than trying to impose our solutions on others through the list. Angry > outbursts backfire. > Humility can solve this issue. Failing that, I’m sure list moderation will if > it hasn’t already done so. A public spat is not a FOSS existential crisis. We > are free to choose hope. Let’s do that. > If anyone is feeling angry, I’d say diagnose your anger and put out that fire > before trying to extinguish it in others. (In my calmer moments anyway that’s > how I think) > Remember that the objective here is sharing knowledge. That’s not what has > been shared between Reindl and others on this particular matter. It’s off > topic. I’m not sure anyone profits from an addictive group adrenaline binge, > or from the cortisol that eats away at us all from the inside out long after > the rush fades. > The spark only ignited all the gasoline fumes lingering in the air. It’s not > the root cause of the flame war, it’s just the trigger. Removing the trigger > is far less effective than venting the fumes. Then a spark without fumes is > an amusing and harmless flash instead of a disaster. > We are all under stress. I’m sure Reindl’s frustration plus all those > frustrated responses to him have their roots deep in the personal lives of > those making posts. That’s where the solutions are too, deep inside. Look > there. > Give yourself a break. Vent the fumes elsewhere and stay on topic. That’s the > best way IMO. I know it’s difficult to control one’s anger in the face of > provocation, but ego doesn’t write FOSS software. Anger is a distraction. > Keep that in mind and this problem solves itself. > IMHO, offered in the spirit of the FOSS authors who brought me so many > amazing benefits that I feel truly blessed by all your generosity. Thanks, CherylJosie, for your words. Referring > Remember that the objective here is sharing knowledge. I'm now stuck with these 1-line comments from Paul B Mahol: > - Patches are big mess. > - You showed very little skills. > - You obviously lack git skills. I don't know what to do right to fulfil his expectations. -Ulf > > On Saturday, April 13, 2019, 4:35 AM, Ulf Zibis wrote: > > > Am 11.04.19 um 18:57 schrieb Nicolas George: >> Ulf Zibis (12019-04-11): >>> Even "staff members" in this project seem to do so, see posts in >> One "staff member", please. His behaviour is unacceptable and you are >> welcome to report him to the list administrator. >> >>> It is good to mention, then accept it and then take a big breathe! >> No, it is not good to accept it. Reindl Harald is being extremely rude, >> he does the exact opposite than he wants other people to do. >> >> Regards, > Hi, > > I'm not sure, if you misunderstood me. I did not bear on Harald. > I don't know, if he is actively supporting FFmpeg or just using it. But > as I have no cause to communicate with him, I just watch, what happens > without participation. > > I beard on one who is actively supporting FFmpeg, i.e. the 2nd most busy > committer to FFmpeg. I'm really interested in cooperation. > > So I see me in the category of potential contributors, Phil has written > about: > /"This holds back open source software in all its forms. It serves to > put off new users who might become useful contributors in time. It > alienates people with useful expertise who are not software engineers. > The problems caused by all of this are highly visible in open source > software in general, and ffmpeg in particular.// > //I don't know what the solution is, but it must necessarily involve > everyone being nicer to each other, and not trying to jusify > unprofessional, discourteous behaviour.// > //I've been saying it for years and I'm going to keep saying it: FOSS > could do so much better than it does, almost solely because of exactly > this sort of bad behaviour."/ > > If anyone has an idea, how to deal with that, please write. > > -Ulf > > ___ > ffmpeg-user mailing list > ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > > > ___ > ffmpeg-user mailing list > ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
Am 14.04.19 um 01:12 schrieb Dennis Mungai: > On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 01:55, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 14.04.19 um 00:39 schrieb CherylJosie via ffmpeg-user: >>> bullshit - they are just honest and direct instead the ass-licking and >>> attack subtle which is common in the shiny business world where nobody >>> has the eggs to say his hinest opinion straight to your face but god >>> beware you leave the room >>> >>> Perhaps the topic is not the problem but rather the forum. >>> There must be at least one list devoted to FOSS politics? >> >> "FOSS politics"? >> >> who cares about politics? >> tech and politics is an exclusive or >> >> > Apparently, you do, Reindl. > A salty troll that has been doing the rounds for baiting and flaming for > years. > Let's leave this here for future reference: well, you can pick up a lot of links and referecnes without any context which makes it not less bullshit when we talk about tch versus politics the other side of that coin wassomething like this and it#s not about 2013, i tested stuff you shitheads would see in a few years xears ago for more than a decade, risked my personal data, wasted thousands of hours just to get updates for you shitheads as perfect as possible https://kparal.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-heroes-of-fedora-updates-testing-in-q1-2013/ https://kparal.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/the-heroes-of-fedora-updates-testing-in-q2-2013/ > 1. > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-disc...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/4FQXYY3K25GXHDLCMHWB7WAWVUY5LA3E/?sort=date > 2. > https://lists.fedorahosted.org/archives/list/council-disc...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/FUANEKYBKA6YP35RYNMZHPMRPWNSAYLQ/ > 3. https://lists.gt.net/spamassassin/users/200177 > 4. > http://linux-unix-open-source.1053819.n5.nabble.com/KDE-without-gnome-shell-td5789040.html#a5789721 ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
I cite the following comments from Harald as prima facie evidence of my concerns. bullshit - they are just honest and direct instead the ass-licking and attack subtle which is common in the shiny business world where nobody has the eggs to say his hinest opinion straight to your face but god beware you leave the roomFOSS politics"? who cares about politics? tech and politics is an exclusive or ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 01:55, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 14.04.19 um 00:39 schrieb CherylJosie via ffmpeg-user: > > bullshit - they are just honest and direct instead the ass-licking and > > attack subtle which is common in the shiny business world where nobody > > has the eggs to say his hinest opinion straight to your face but god > > beware you leave the room > > > > Perhaps the topic is not the problem but rather the forum. > > There must be at least one list devoted to FOSS politics? > > "FOSS politics"? > > who cares about politics? > tech and politics is an exclusive or > > Apparently, you do, Reindl. A salty troll that has been doing the rounds for baiting and flaming for years. Let's leave this here for future reference: 1. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-disc...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/4FQXYY3K25GXHDLCMHWB7WAWVUY5LA3E/?sort=date 2. https://lists.fedorahosted.org/archives/list/council-disc...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/FUANEKYBKA6YP35RYNMZHPMRPWNSAYLQ/ 3. https://lists.gt.net/spamassassin/users/200177 4. http://linux-unix-open-source.1053819.n5.nabble.com/KDE-without-gnome-shell-td5789040.html#a5789721 ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
Am 14.04.19 um 00:39 schrieb CherylJosie via ffmpeg-user: > bullshit - they are just honest and direct instead the ass-licking and > attack subtle which is common in the shiny business world where nobody > has the eggs to say his hinest opinion straight to your face but god > beware you leave the room > > Perhaps the topic is not the problem but rather the forum. > There must be at least one list devoted to FOSS politics? "FOSS politics"? who cares about politics? tech and politics is an exclusive or ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
From: Reindl Harald To: ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour Am 13.04.19 um 21:33 schrieb Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user: >> A public spat is not a FOSS existential crisis. > I can't agree. This sort of thing is normal behaviour for people involved in > FOSS projects. It comes from the top; do a Google image search for "torvalds > finger." People involved in open source development are unpleasant to each > other as a matter of course. bullshit - they are just honest and direct instead the ass-licking and attack subtle which is common in the shiny business world where nobody has the eggs to say his hinest opinion straight to your face but god beware you leave the room Perhaps the topic is not the problem but rather the forum. There must be at least one list devoted to FOSS politics? ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
Am 13.04.19 um 21:33 schrieb Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user: >> A public spat is not a FOSS existential crisis. > I can't agree. This sort of thing is normal behaviour for people involved in > FOSS projects. It comes from the top; do a Google image search for "torvalds > finger." People involved in open source development are unpleasant to each > other as a matter of course. bullshit - they are just honest and direct instead the ass-licking and attack subtle which is common in the shiny business world where nobody has the eggs to say his hinest opinion straight to your face but god beware you leave the room ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
> A public spat is not a FOSS existential crisis. I can't agree. This sort of thing is normal behaviour for people involved in FOSS projects. It comes from the top; do a Google image search for "torvalds finger." People involved in open source development are unpleasant to each other as a matter of course. There are organisations out there which exist almost solely in the world of FOSS development. I can't imagine what it must be like to work in a place where everyone appears to hate everyone and everything and there is no respect for anyone. So it may not be an existential crisis, but it has long been severely curtailing the acceptance of FOSS in the wider world and it will continue to do so. FOSS people are utterly, utterly horrible, and that's widely known. P ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
>>this sort of bad behaviour."/ >If anyone has an idea, how to deal with that, please write. >-Ulf I’ll take a stab at it. We cannot control the behavior of others. We can only control our own behavior. We might all first look within for solutions that work for us as individuals rather than trying to impose our solutions on others through the list. Angry outbursts backfire. Humility can solve this issue. Failing that, I’m sure list moderation will if it hasn’t already done so. A public spat is not a FOSS existential crisis. We are free to choose hope. Let’s do that. If anyone is feeling angry, I’d say diagnose your anger and put out that fire before trying to extinguish it in others. (In my calmer moments anyway that’s how I think) Remember that the objective here is sharing knowledge. That’s not what has been shared between Reindl and others on this particular matter. It’s off topic. I’m not sure anyone profits from an addictive group adrenaline binge, or from the cortisol that eats away at us all from the inside out long after the rush fades. The spark only ignited all the gasoline fumes lingering in the air. It’s not the root cause of the flame war, it’s just the trigger. Removing the trigger is far less effective than venting the fumes. Then a spark without fumes is an amusing and harmless flash instead of a disaster. We are all under stress. I’m sure Reindl’s frustration plus all those frustrated responses to him have their roots deep in the personal lives of those making posts. That’s where the solutions are too, deep inside. Look there. Give yourself a break. Vent the fumes elsewhere and stay on topic. That’s the best way IMO. I know it’s difficult to control one’s anger in the face of provocation, but ego doesn’t write FOSS software. Anger is a distraction. Keep that in mind and this problem solves itself. IMHO, offered in the spirit of the FOSS authors who brought me so many amazing benefits that I feel truly blessed by all your generosity. On Saturday, April 13, 2019, 4:35 AM, Ulf Zibis wrote: Am 11.04.19 um 18:57 schrieb Nicolas George: > Ulf Zibis (12019-04-11): >> Even "staff members" in this project seem to do so, see posts in > One "staff member", please. His behaviour is unacceptable and you are > welcome to report him to the list administrator. > >> It is good to mention, then accept it and then take a big breathe! > No, it is not good to accept it. Reindl Harald is being extremely rude, > he does the exact opposite than he wants other people to do. > > Regards, Hi, I'm not sure, if you misunderstood me. I did not bear on Harald. I don't know, if he is actively supporting FFmpeg or just using it. But as I have no cause to communicate with him, I just watch, what happens without participation. I beard on one who is actively supporting FFmpeg, i.e. the 2nd most busy committer to FFmpeg. I'm really interested in cooperation. So I see me in the category of potential contributors, Phil has written about: /"This holds back open source software in all its forms. It serves to put off new users who might become useful contributors in time. It alienates people with useful expertise who are not software engineers. The problems caused by all of this are highly visible in open source software in general, and ffmpeg in particular.// //I don't know what the solution is, but it must necessarily involve everyone being nicer to each other, and not trying to jusify unprofessional, discourteous behaviour.// //I've been saying it for years and I'm going to keep saying it: FOSS could do so much better than it does, almost solely because of exactly this sort of bad behaviour."/ If anyone has an idea, how to deal with that, please write. -Ulf ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-user] List members behaviour
Am 11.04.19 um 18:57 schrieb Nicolas George: > Ulf Zibis (12019-04-11): >> Even "staff members" in this project seem to do so, see posts in > One "staff member", please. His behaviour is unacceptable and you are > welcome to report him to the list administrator. > >> It is good to mention, then accept it and then take a big breathe! > No, it is not good to accept it. Reindl Harald is being extremely rude, > he does the exact opposite than he wants other people to do. > > Regards, Hi, I'm not sure, if you misunderstood me. I did not bear on Harald. I don't know, if he is actively supporting FFmpeg or just using it. But as I have no cause to communicate with him, I just watch, what happens without participation. I beard on one who is actively supporting FFmpeg, i.e. the 2nd most busy committer to FFmpeg. I'm really interested in cooperation. So I see me in the category of potential contributors, Phil has written about: /"This holds back open source software in all its forms. It serves to put off new users who might become useful contributors in time. It alienates people with useful expertise who are not software engineers. The problems caused by all of this are highly visible in open source software in general, and ffmpeg in particular.// //I don't know what the solution is, but it must necessarily involve everyone being nicer to each other, and not trying to jusify unprofessional, discourteous behaviour.// //I've been saying it for years and I'm going to keep saying it: FOSS could do so much better than it does, almost solely because of exactly this sort of bad behaviour."/ If anyone has an idea, how to deal with that, please write. -Ulf ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
