Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-07 Thread Mick Finn
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can we kill this 'obviously snowflake Reddit user' thread? you get expert info 
from expert developers and they want to give 15min of expert advice for free 
but not have their time wasted. When you go to the doctor and they order an 
x-ray to see if your foot is broken do you insult them with snowflake med 
school degree insults? Just say thank you and try to get the same expertise 
elsewhere.
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> On Feb 4, 2023, at 6:17 AM, Dave Blanchard  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 23:39:59 +0100
> Reindl Harald  wrote:
> 
>> a working brain is a enough to put the question into the subject instead 
>> "New user question" and has nothing to do with a mailing list at all
> 
> Please, tell us more about how the OP is too stupid to participate in this 
> mailing list, from your lofty vantage point in your mom's basement. 
> 
> Dave
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-05 Thread hydra3333
> Now climb back into your HOLE and die.
>
> Dave

I don't think I've seen a worse comment on any thread.

As soon as you see that type of post, you know there's either an unstable teen 
or a damaged individual posting it.

No one should ever wish someone to die because your feelies are hurt.  Period.  
Grow up.


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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question - please

2023-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 04.02.23 um 18:52 schrieb Patrick Cusack via ffmpeg-user:

And yes, asking someone to post their command is the first request everyone 
makes


and for a good reason - common sense and 
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise would make 
that natural


* you typed a command line
* you got a output
* something didn't work

so how comes that common sense don't tell you "select the whole stuff 
and paste it into the mail would make it reproduceable for everyone"?

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question - please

2023-02-04 Thread Patrick Cusack via ffmpeg-user
I would encourage people in this forum to be critical to the ends of building 
other people up. Iron sharpens iron, but sadly the Participants on this thread 
just care to tear people down. Good luck. This is the last time I’ll be around 
the ffmpeg mailing list. I’m seen too many of these threads. I have real life 
issues to focus on.  I won’t care to chime in again on any issue. And yes, 
asking someone to post their command is the first request everyone makes. 

Good luck guys,

Patrick

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> On Feb 4, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 04.02.23 um 17:36 schrieb Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user:
>> A word of sanity.
>> If you're someone new to the ffmpeg-user list who's reading this thread and 
>> frowning with concern at Reindl's behaviour, believe me, you're not alone
> 
> well, it was "Dave Blanchard" starting with "I don't have time to familiarize 
> myself with the 6,282,928 special snowflake unique rule systems that every 
> special snowflake community"
> 
> in fact that was the point where this thread got really bad
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question - please

2023-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 04.02.23 um 17:36 schrieb Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user:

A word of sanity.
If you're someone new to the ffmpeg-user list who's reading this thread and 
frowning with concern at Reindl's behaviour, believe me, you're not alone


well, it was "Dave Blanchard" starting with "I don't have time to 
familiarize myself with the 6,282,928 special snowflake unique rule 
systems that every special snowflake community"


in fact that was the point where this thread got really bad
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question - please

2023-02-04 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
 A word of sanity.
If you're someone new to the ffmpeg-user list who's reading this thread and 
frowning with concern at Reindl's behaviour, believe me, you're not alone. I've 
never met him nor anyone who has met him, but I have occasionally met groups of 
people who are familiar with his behaviour on this mailing list, and laughed 
about our shared view of the situation.

Based on his behaviour on this list, Reindl is one of the top few most 
outspokenly, deliberately impolite, unhelpful, unpleasant and unprofessional 
people I've ever come across in my entire life, and that's saying something. 
Even in the world of open source software, where we do find a few interesting 
personalities, he's the standout. He's world famous for being viciously 
unpleasant for no reason. Reindl Harald is a joke and a punchline, the very 
epitome of an internet troll. He's been dominating this list with his utter 
poison for at least fifteen years, to my certain knowledge.
It's not you. It's him.
We've tried to figure out why he does it. Maybe it's a language barrier. Maybe 
it's some sort of psychological abnormality (in which case no disrespect, but 
good grief, man, get help). In the end it's up to him and whoever has authority 
on the mailing list, and the only surprise is that it's been allowed to go on 
for so long.
- Phil



On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 11:28:07 GMT, Vincent Deconinck 
 wrote:  
 
 Could we please stop polluting this mailing list ?
If you want to continue discussing this, please do it off the list using
private mails.
Thank you.
Vincent.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 04.02.23 um 17:05 schrieb Dave Blanchard:

It's spelled "HOLE." IDIOT.


wow you found a typo


Furthermore your punctuation and grammar also leaves much to be desired.


so what


And you actually have the balls to trash talk the OP's subject line, and call 
him an idiot?


you poor soul can't distinct between typo/grammar and a completly 
useless subject? at least i have balls

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 04.02.23 um 16:58 schrieb Dave Blanchard:

Yes, you could have indeed ignored the thread, instead of cheapening the 
discourse with your useless BULLSHIT comment


creep away and stop talking about bullshit comments after your "No, I 
haven't. I don't have time to familiarize myself with the 6,282,928 
special snowflake unique rule systems that every special snowflake 
community on the planet expects everyone to memorize and be intimately 
familiar with at all times" comment

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-04 Thread Dave Blanchard
It's spelled "HOLE." IDIOT.

If you "had a brain" you'd have known that. Right? Anyone with "common sense" 
should have known that "HOLE" is not the same word as "WHOLE." Furthermore your 
punctuation and grammar also leaves much to be desired. 

And you actually have the balls to trash talk the OP's subject line, and call 
him an idiot?

Your comments prove that what I said from the very beginning is right on point 
(as it usually is, BTW)--this group, like the internet and Linux community at 
large, has more than its fair share of antisocial basement dwelling dweebs who 
are seemingly incapable of treating the end user with respect.

Now climb back into your HOLE and die.

Dave
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-04 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 14:54:40 -0800
Patrick Cusack via ffmpeg-user  wrote:

> The guy posted an open ended question without any context. And yes having the 
> command makes a difference. 

NO, IT DID NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, AND COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY MADE ANY 
DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER in this case. FOOL.

The question was answered JUST FINE before you came into the discussion with 
your useless reply and foolish attitude.

> I know eff all about HAP and perhaps had he included his command I would have 
> had some more context.

Google MF'er, do you even use it?

It took me all of 5 seconds to deduce that this was some proprietary codec that 
is unlikely to be enabled in 99%+ of FFMPEG builds. Somehow Carl was able to 
make a similar deduction as well, despite presumably also being unfamiliar with 
HAP.

> You could have ignored the thread, instead of cheapening the discourse.

Yes, you could have indeed ignored the thread, instead of cheapening the 
discourse with your useless BULLSHIT comment. 

If you "know eff all", then what is the actual point of making a comment, when 
the question was already answered perfectly well by Carl? FOOL.

Dave
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 04.02.23 um 00:15 schrieb Dave Blanchard:

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 14:41:46 -0800
amindfv--- via ffmpeg-user  wrote:


Ironically the single reason this thread has devolved into personal attacks and 
irrelevance to the original question is your own contributions.


"The single reason"? So I'm control of the keyboard of all participants in this 
thread?


no, but looking at the whole thread you creeped out of your hole a day 
later and didn't write anything useful


without you creeping out of your whole the whole thread would only 
contain 3 messages including the original question


so for the sake of god creep back into the whole you are coming from
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 04.02.23 um 00:18 schrieb Dave Blanchard:

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 23:39:59 +0100
Reindl Harald  wrote:


a working brain is a enough to put the question into the subject instead
"New user question" and has nothing to do with a mailing list at all


Please, tell us more about how the OP is too stupid to participate in this 
mailing list


i didn't say that and the real problem of this thread is that the 
nonsense below *from you* appears like it would have been a respsone of 
the OP while you are the fool


Am 03.02.23 um 19:26 schrieb Dave Blanchard:
> No, I haven't. I don't have time to familiarize myself with the 
6,282,928 special snowflake unique rule systems that every special 
snowflake community on the planet expects everyone to memorize and be 
intimately familiar with at all times. No one else does, either, whether 
they're honest enough to admit it or not.

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question - please

2023-02-04 Thread Vincent Deconinck
Could we please stop polluting this mailing list ?
If you want to continue discussing this, please do it off the list using
private mails.
Thank you.
Vincent.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-04 Thread hydra3333
>amindfv--- via ffmpeg-user  wrote:
>> Ironically the single reason this thread has devolved into personal attacks 
>> and irrelevance to the original question is your own
contributions. 
>
>"The single reason"? So I'm control of the keyboard of all participants in 
>this thread?
>
>There was in fact no response necessary to this thread at all, other than 
>Carl's original email, which actually gave an answer to
the person's question. All other comments could be deleted with no loss to the 
thread. Patrick's comment had no relevance at all to
the actual >question.
>
>> Someone who took the time to read the new user's question asked a polite 
>> "Please include your command" request, that is all.
Maybe they wanted to test the command on their own system for comparison; maybe 
they had one of the reasons Carl mentioned. 
>
>Except none of that was actually the case. These are all excuses you're 
>inventing to play devil's advocate, which has nothing to do
with actual thread.
>
>The reply in question was just your typical, ordinary, everyday "OMG SOMEONE 
>BROKE A RULE, MUST REMIND OF RULES" response--as
Carl's followup proved. 
>
>I ask again: how does giving the command line used help in any way solving the 
>user's problem, in this particular circumstance?
>
>Interestingly, Carl didn't even bother asking for the command line in his own 
>response. Seems he didn't need that information to
actually answer the question.
>
>> Even if your messages were intended to increase friendliness to new users, 
>> they had the opposite effect due to how
confrontational they were. I know if I were a new user asking a question here 
I'd be a lot more scared off by your argumentative
messages than a simple "Please include your command" sentence.
>
>LOL. 
>
>So you wouldn't be at all bothered at being called an idiot by a certain 
>loser, because your subject line wasn't so great, but
would instead be bothered by the guy actually sticking up for your noob self?
>
>> My 2¢,
>> Tom
>
>Thanks for your input, Tom. Anyone else got a foolish comment to add, before 
>we move on?
>
>Dave

Yep.  
DB behaves like a troll, ignoring good advice from experts and standard methods 
for diagnosing and dealing with technical issues.
Looks like a duck, acts like a duck ... it is a duck.

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 23:39:59 +0100
Reindl Harald  wrote:

> a working brain is a enough to put the question into the subject instead 
> "New user question" and has nothing to do with a mailing list at all

Please, tell us more about how the OP is too stupid to participate in this 
mailing list, from your lofty vantage point in your mom's basement. 

Dave
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 14:41:46 -0800
amindfv--- via ffmpeg-user  wrote:

> Ironically the single reason this thread has devolved into personal attacks 
> and irrelevance to the original question is your own contributions. 

"The single reason"? So I'm control of the keyboard of all participants in this 
thread?

There was in fact no response necessary to this thread at all, other than 
Carl's original email, which actually gave an answer to the person's question. 
All other comments could be deleted with no loss to the thread. Patrick's 
comment had no relevance at all to the actual question.

> Someone who took the time to read the new user's question asked a polite 
> "Please include your command" request, that is all. Maybe they wanted to test 
> the command on their own system for comparison; maybe they had one of the 
> reasons Carl mentioned. 

Except none of that was actually the case. These are all excuses you're 
inventing to play devil's advocate, which has nothing to do with actual thread.

The reply in question was just your typical, ordinary, everyday "OMG SOMEONE 
BROKE A RULE, MUST REMIND OF RULES" response--as Carl's followup proved. 

I ask again: how does giving the command line used help in any way solving the 
user's problem, in this particular circumstance?

Interestingly, Carl didn't even bother asking for the command line in his own 
response. Seems he didn't need that information to actually answer the question.

> Even if your messages were intended to increase friendliness to new users, 
> they had the opposite effect due to how confrontational they were. I know if 
> I were a new user asking a question here I'd be a lot more scared off by your 
> argumentative messages than a simple "Please include your command" sentence.

LOL. 

So you wouldn't be at all bothered at being called an idiot by a certain loser, 
because your subject line wasn't so great, but would instead be bothered by the 
guy actually sticking up for your noob self?

> My 2¢,
> Tom

Thanks for your input, Tom. Anyone else got a foolish comment to add, before we 
move on?

Dave

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Patrick Cusack via ffmpeg-user


> And how would that help this situation in any way? 

Do you have anything better to do than make snarky comments? The guy posted an 
open ended question without any context. And yes having the command makes a 
difference. I know eff all about HAP and perhaps had he included his command I 
would have had some more context. You could have ignored the thread, instead of 
cheapening the discourse.

Thanks,

Patrick
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread amindfv--- via ffmpeg-user
> It seems the focus of many members of this group isn't on actually *helping 
> people*, but on policing nonsense "rules violations" or finding some way they 
> can call the user an idiot.

Ironically the single reason this thread has devolved into personal attacks and 
irrelevance to the original question is your own contributions. Someone who 
took the time to read the new user's question asked a polite "Please include 
your command" request, that is all. Maybe they wanted to test the command on 
their own system for comparison; maybe they had one of the reasons Carl 
mentioned. Even if your messages were intended to increase friendliness to new 
users, they had the opposite effect due to how confrontational they were. I 
know if I were a new user asking a question here I'd be a lot more scared off 
by your argumentative messages than a simple "Please include your command" 
sentence.

My 2¢,
Tom
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 03.02.23 um 19:59 schrieb Dave Blanchard:

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 19:45:56 +0100
Reindl Harald  wrote:


but to be honest: a subject like "FW: New user question" implies common
sense isn't present

with common sense the subject would have been "Unknown encoder 'hap'"


Free clue: there is no such thing as "common sense."


there is


Not everyone possesses the exact same knowledge and experience.


which knowledge do you need to write a useful subject?


"New users" in particular aren't exactly known for their deep, intricate 
knowledge of mailing list/forum etiquette, or how to construct a good subject line.


a working brain is a enough to put the question into the subject instead 
"New user question" and has nothing to do with a mailing list at all



Maybe you haven't been around the internet long enough to have noticed this 
trend, which I picked up on back in the 90s.


even in the 90s people where able to write their topic in the subject


It seems the focus of many members of this group isn't on actually *helping people*, but 
on policing nonsense "rules violations" or finding some way they can call the 
user an idiot.


with "No, I haven't. I don't have time to familiarize myself with the 
6,282,928 special snowflake unique rule systems" you making yourself an 
idiot

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 19:45:56 +0100
Reindl Harald  wrote:

> but to be honest: a subject like "FW: New user question" implies common 
> sense isn't present
> 
> with common sense the subject would have been "Unknown encoder 'hap'"

Free clue: there is no such thing as "common sense." Not everyone possesses the 
exact same knowledge and experience. 

"New users" in particular aren't exactly known for their deep, intricate 
knowledge of mailing list/forum etiquette, or how to construct a good subject 
line. Maybe you haven't been around the internet long enough to have noticed 
this trend, which I picked up on back in the 90s.

It seems the focus of many members of this group isn't on actually *helping 
people*, but on policing nonsense "rules violations" or finding some way they 
can call the user an idiot.

Dave
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 03.02.23 um 19:42 schrieb Reindl Harald:



Am 03.02.23 um 19:26 schrieb Dave Blanchard:
No, I haven't. I don't have time to familiarize myself with the 
6,282,928 special snowflake unique rule systems that every special 
snowflake community on the planet expects everyone to memorize and be 
intimately familiar with at all times. No one else does, either, 
whether they're honest enough to admit it or not


http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise applies 
everywhere and common sense could tell you too


but to be honest: a subject like "FW: New user question" implies common 
sense isn't present


with common sense the subject would have been "Unknown encoder 'hap'"


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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 03.02.23 um 19:26 schrieb Dave Blanchard:

No, I haven't. I don't have time to familiarize myself with the 6,282,928 
special snowflake unique rule systems that every special snowflake community on 
the planet expects everyone to memorize and be intimately familiar with at all 
times. No one else does, either, whether they're honest enough to admit it or 
not


http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise applies 
everywhere and common sense could tell you too

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 18:07:32 +
Carl Zwanzig  wrote:

> On 2/3/2023 9:22 AM, Dave Blanchard wrote:
> > And how would that help this situation in any way?

> In this one particular case, maybe not, but we don't necessary know.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that we do.

> So, why include that?
> Because it would contain the build info, which may be relevant.

In this case, not so much, since it's quite clear what's happening from the 
error output. Not much ambiguity there.

> Because it contains info about the input and output streams.

Which is again, irrelevant.

> Because the list FAQ (you have read it, haven't you?) asks for it.

No, I haven't. I don't have time to familiarize myself with the 6,282,928 
special snowflake unique rule systems that every special snowflake community on 
the planet expects everyone to memorize and be intimately familiar with at all 
times. No one else does, either, whether they're honest enough to admit it or 
not. 

Hell, the average American commits at least three felonies a day, every day, 
without even realizing it. Have you read the entire text of the U.S. legal 
code, citizen? No? You criminal.

I tried to pay you a compliment, Carl, but I guess you just don't know how to 
take one.

Dave
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Carl Zwanzig

On 2/3/2023 9:22 AM, Dave Blanchard wrote:

And how would that help this situation in any way?

In this one particular case, maybe not, but we don't necessary know.

So, why include that?
Because it would contain the build info, which may be relevant.
Because it contains info about the input and output streams.
Because the list FAQ (you have read it, haven't you?) asks for it.

There is seldom a reason you leave out the complete command and output; most 
of us would rather see it than have to ask, and more often than not it is 
needed.


z!
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-02-03 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:23:18 -0800
Patrick Cusack via ffmpeg-user  wrote:

> Please include your command that you use for conversion as well as all the 
> output.

And how would that help this situation in any way? 

Thanks to Carl for actually answering the question.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] New user question

2023-01-31 Thread Patrick Cusack via ffmpeg-user


> This is my first time using FFMPEG. We are trying to use it to convert media 
> files to HAP. I loaded the latest version, but when we try to transcode a 
> file, it returns " Unknown encoder 'hap' ". How do I load the hap encoder to 
> the system?

Please include your command that you use for conversion as well as all the 
output.

Patrick
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