Re: filmscanners: Shadows and Scanwit 2720s

2001-08-08 Thread images

Hi Mark ...
I shall try moving the scanner and let you know...

 Sounds like dark noise from the CCD's, but could also be electronic 
interference.  One thing you can try (but if you are down to dark noise it
is unlikely to help) - at the handle end of the slide holder, there is a
rectangular notched opening through which the Acer reads the lamp brightness
 colour before the scan

Yes this is strange then...and no, I'm not using grain rediction. I had
better check everything again, but I'm sure the settings werte normal.
another check though.
Thanks anyway..
Geoff

 An aside...
 Did a sharpness test on the Scanwit / 7.1.7 using Vuescans sharpening 
 tool...and
 another test without sharpening. Without wins hands down. Sharpening is
 definitely softer than without. Strange
 
 Very strange!  I'm using 7.1.7/Scanwit also, but it works as 
 advertised.  Are you using the grain reduction at the same time perhaps?
 
 mark t
 
 



Re: filmscanners: SilverFast Upgrade Disaster

2001-08-08 Thread David Gordon

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote on Tue, 7 Aug
2001 18:53:05 -0400

Does anyone know if the $45US upgrade includes both SilverFast Ai and HDR?  

I think it does but I've always been confused about HDR. My Polaroid 5.5
upgrade allows me to save raw scans, that's HDR ain't it? (Scan Type: 48
Bit HDR Color)

I'm confused because when I bought (note, bought, not bundled!)
SilverFast I received two serial numbers, one for Ai and one for HDR. I
seem to remember putting the HDR serial number in once, but never since
I've used an update and 5.5 hasn't asked either.

Of course as HDR is doing a raw scan the NegaFix will be of no importance.

I don't 
want to go through the effort of another IT-8 calibration if the upgrade 
destroys the calibration.

Remove your Polaroid (SilverFast) folder from your Photoshop Plugins
folder and put it some where safe. Then install the 5.5 upgrade - which
is a full version and does not update the old copy. You now have two
copies, version 5.whatever and 5.5. You will need to calibrate for 5.5
but it will not have any effect on your old version. Come to think I had
both versions in my Plugin folder at once, no problem.

My recommendation would be that no one have anything to do with SilverFast 
until they get their house in order.

They sorted my serial number/password problem within two hours of my
calling. You need to speak to the Florida office. They are helpful,
despite everything!


-- 
David Gordon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?

2001-08-08 Thread youheng

  PC World (I got my copy just 2 hours ago) has some comments on DVD-RW and
  DVD-RAM. Not enough info, IMO, but a start. DVD holds a lot of data (up to
  14 MB). Down side: if it goes bad, you *lose* a lot of data!
  
  AFAICT, there's no clear-cut winner for storage--maybe the answer is to

  but the DVD-RAM looks like it might not have got very far. 

 I agree with Lynn that there are no clearcut winners. However, I am willing
 to hedge my bets and say that the broadest acceptable standard is likely to
 win. To this end, since I am not in a rush, I am willing to wait a few
 months until the DVD+RW format hits the market, read the reviews, then make
 an informed buying decision. For more on DVD+RW, see the following sites:
 
 http://www.dvdrw.com/
 http://www.sony.co.jp/en/Products/DataMedia/products/DVD_plusRW/index.html


I believe the DVD-R, DVD-RW will be the winner.

Reasons:
- The DVD-RAM used to be with Mac, but now it's the DVD-R.
- DVD+RW is from Sony  Philips, but seems Betamax II, even Sony is now incorporating 
CD-R/RW DVD-R/RW real SuperDrive in their top line of Vaio. (Maybe only in Japan now)
- Sony is shipping PCVA-DRW1 external 1394 real SuperDrive that is CD-R/RW and 
DVD-R/RW in one. (Maybe only in Japan now)
- Apple  Sony are HeavyWeights.

For 120 film at 4000dpi @48bit, you have to select one the DVD-???, so help please:

The said Sony PCVA-DRW1 is arround USD600 in Japan but not sure. Before I get one, 
does someone happen to know if there is any 3rd party software driver for it both on 
Mac  Win so I can have such real SuperDrive for both my platforms? According to Sony 
it only supports Sony VAIO pcs.

BTO your Mac G4, get the Sony, buy the software, you have two SuperDrive for the price 
of one (and the Mac's don't do DVD-RW), I believe many have both Mac  Win on the 
list. That seems to be the solution for me now.

JM Shen



Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?

2001-08-08 Thread Lynn Allen

Andrew wrote:

What CDRs would be the good quality ones?

Kodak and Sony seem to be leading the pack. I've heard mixed reviews about 
Verbatim, and while I use them for CD-RW, I'm hesitant to commit archive 
stuff to them. I've had zero trouble with Kodak, but then the discs are only 
a year old ATPT--not an iron-clad test. :-|

Best regards--LRA

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Re: filmscanners: OT: Color perception (was: IT8 Calibration (was: etc

2001-08-08 Thread James Hill

I tried the web page viewer.  Very interesting how my images look
after the conversion.  Some are just as I normally see them and others
are very different.  Some are disgusting and some are actually better!
Hmm...

I guess the problem is deciding just how accurate this program is.  I
mean how easy is it to compare the so called colors that I see, when
using this program, with a person who really does have color
blindness?  I would guess that they can't look at the modified image
and say it matches the unmodified image.  Or can they?


--James Hill
Freelance Photographer
Mebane, NC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Steve Greenbank [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: Color perception (was: IT8 Calibration
(was: etc


 For those of you that are hoping to sell your images all including
the
 colour blind you may like to try the downloads here:

 http://vischeck.com/showme.shtml

 I have not tried any of them, but the normal and the red/green color
deficit
 (deuteranopia) examples sure look the same to me. (I checked in PS
and they
 are quite different).

 Steve





Re: filmscanners: Astrophotographs

2001-08-08 Thread Jan Exner

Herm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The 'White Point' seems to be important, Ed wrote me a similar
 mail, he suggested 0.001% (One quick test yesterday was far better
 than the grainy, partly over-exposed scans I did before). It was
 probably the only setting I had not yet tried.
 Yes, play with that.. just use the scan memory button and examine
 the results in Photoshop.. you want a histogram that is not clipped
 anywhere..

The 'Levels' Tools in Photoshop turned out to be helpful, but the real
killer was the 'multi-pass' option Vuescan offers! I usually scan 8
times now, and the image quality is greatly improved. Not yet to a
level where I would jump in the air, but it's getting better.

 Did you check out my website?

I did, quiet nice!

 I use a lot of E200 for astro photography. I will assume the
 original slides or negs are not overexposed and something is messed
 up in the scan.

The slides are ok, they look good on a wall: I.e. NGC7000 is visible,
the 'Mexican Bay' is clearly visible.

 There is no exposure time adjustment possible with the Scanwit, what
 are you fiddling with?..

I try to set the exposure time. No idea what it does to the scans. Is
everybody sure that it does nothing?

 perhaps you have set the brightness setting too high.. normally I
 set it between 1 to 2, mostly 1.5 with semi dark slides.

I just keep it at 1, but that would be another thing to play with,
I'll try.

 If you want send me a screen capture of the histogram of one of your
 slides.. plus a copy of the Vuescan ini file with the settings you
 used.

Thanks for the offer. For the time being, I'll try some more fiddling
with the parameters. I'm still far away from knowing what I do.

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Re: filmscanners: SilverFast Upgrade Disaster

2001-08-08 Thread John Anne Mahany

I, too, eventually gave up.  I was wasting so much time and frustration
trying (a) to get passwords out of them;  (b) trying to make those passwords
work and (c) trying to get any sensible help from Silverfast.  Fortunately
my software was bundled and so did not cause me any financial loss but it
drove me into the Vuescan fold.

Silverfast, when it works, has a hell of a learning curve.  Why struggle
with that as well as Photoshop?  Raw scan into Photoshop  in 16 bit and work
from there.

John

Anne  John Mahany
New Forest U.K.
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RE: filmscanners: (anti)compression?

2001-08-08 Thread Shough, Dean

It turns out that it is impossible to create  lossless compression scheme
that does not cause some files to expand in size.  A set of random files
always expands.  There is no way to encode the random information that does
not take up at least as much space as the original file.  Because of this,
any image that contains lots of random noise tends to compress much less
than a high quality image with little noise.



RE: filmscanners: (anti)compression?

2001-08-08 Thread Winsor Crosby

It turns out that it is impossible to create  lossless compression scheme
that does not cause some files to expand in size.  A set of random files
always expands.  There is no way to encode the random information that does
not take up at least as much space as the original file.  Because of this,
any image that contains lots of random noise tends to compress much less
than a high quality image with little noise.


What about Genuine Fractals compression which claims non lossy 
compression and small file size.
-- 
Winsor Crosby
Long Beach, California



Re: filmscanners: SilverFast Upgrade Disaster

2001-08-08 Thread David Gordon

John  Anne Mahany [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote on Wed, 8 Aug
2001 14:37:33 +0100

trying to get any sensible help from Silverfast

This is their phone number, they are helpful, call after 2 pm UK time! 
00 1 941 383 7496

Silverfast, when it works, has a hell of a learning curve.  Why struggle
with that as well as Photoshop?

The same reason you'd buy fresh quality ingredients when cooking!


-- 
David Gordon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?

2001-08-08 Thread B.Rumary

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Sleep wrote:

 Etched on titanium is probably worth a few aeons, at much higher cost.

I understand that someone is working on a method of storing data on 
titanium disks. However they don't store it in true digital format. They 
etch a microscopic image of the actual document onto the disk, using a 
laser; rather in the way a laser prints on paper. Basically is a form of 
microfilming, but in an even smaller size. The advantage is that it can 
be read with an electron microscope, even if all knowledge of the 
software and codes are loss. That is just as well, as they expect it to 
have a life of up to 1m years!

Brian Rumary, England

http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm





Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?

2001-08-08 Thread B.Rumary

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lynn Allen wrote:

 Best backup medium is probably binary printed on acid-free paper as
 barcodes. This is well capable of true Dead Sea Scrolls archival longevity, 
 if suitably stored.
 
 That is probably the most unique solution I've heard all day, and probably 
 all year. :-)
 
 If one could transcribe the bar-code to granite (and it's possible), you 
 could have something that would last close to 30,000 years before gradually 
 turning into clay. Who'd read it then, or how, I couldn't rightly say. ;-)

Of course this assumes that anyone will still remember what the barcodes 
actually mean!

Brian Rumary, England

http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm





Re: filmscanners: SilverFast Upgrade Disaster

2001-08-08 Thread RogerMillerPhoto
I called the SilverFast U.S.A. office and got help. (They're slow with 
answering e-mail.) They said you have to pay $45 to upgrade Ai and another 
$45 to upgrade HDR. Also, they charge to upgrade each scanner you have. The 
exception is for Polaroid since they use one piece of software for both the 
SS4000 and the SS120. So a full SilverFast upgrade would cost me $90 and I 
could use it with both scanners. Of course, the smart thing to do (which is 
what I always try to do) is to upgrade only HDR and not Ai. Then you can 
make use of the negative profiles in the upgrade to HDR and not use Ai at all 
for image processing. (If you don't know what Ai and HDR are, see my last 
paragraph.)

SilverFast is having problems with passwords and usernames for the upgrades. 
I was given a new one over the phone (don't know if it works yet) but they 
never answered my e-mail about it.

SilverFast has a problem with doing an IT8 calibration, at least on a PC. It 
gives an error message that says you haven't aligned the frame correctly 
around the IT8 target. Ian Lyons says it works OK on his Mac. SilverFast is 
working on the problem and asked me to send them a screen grab just before 
the error message pops up.

For those of you who don't know what Ai and HDR are, they are two components 
of SilverFast and can be purchased separately, thought they use basically the 
same coding. Ai talks to your scanner, gets the image, allows you to adjust 
levels and colors, and then stores it as a 24-bit file. It can also be used 
in "dumb mode" where it gets the image from the scanner and stores it as a 
48-bit "raw" file without doing any modifications to the data at all. HDR 
doesn't talk to the scanner at all. The only thing it can do is get the data 
from a file (such as the one Ai created in "dumb mode"). Then you can adjust 
the image in 48-bit mode and, when done, store it as a 24-bit file for use in 
Photoshop or whatever. So an upgrade (which adds negative profiles) need 
only be done to either Ai or HDR, depending one which one you want to use for 
color correcting, etc.

In a message dated 8/8/2001 12:39:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote on Tue, 7 Aug
2001 18:53:05 -0400

Does anyone know if the $45US upgrade includes both SilverFast Ai and HDR? 


I think it does but I've always been confused about HDR. My Polaroid 5.5
upgrade allows me to save raw scans, that's HDR ain't it? (Scan Type: 48
Bit HDR Color)

I'm confused because when I bought (note, bought, not bundled!)
SilverFast I received two serial numbers, one for Ai and one for HDR. I
seem to remember putting the HDR serial number in once, but never since
I've used an update and 5.5 hasn't asked either.

Of course as HDR is doing a raw scan the NegaFix will be of no importance.

I don't 
want to go through the effort of another IT-8 calibration if the upgrade 
destroys the calibration.

Remove your "Polaroid (SilverFast)" folder from your Photoshop Plugins
folder and put it some where safe. Then install the 5.5 upgrade - which
is a full version and does not update the old copy. You now have two
copies, version 5.whatever and 5.5. You will need to calibrate for 5.5
but it will not have any effect on your old version. Come to think I had
both versions in my Plugin folder at once, no problem.

My recommendation would be that no one have anything to do with SilverFast 
until they get their house in order.

They sorted my serial number/password problem within two hours of my
calling. You need to speak to the Florida office. They are helpful,
despite everything!





Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?

2001-08-08 Thread Hersch Nitikman

I believe that Etruscan writings in Tuscany, approximately
2-3000 years old have still not been deciphered. 
At 02:52 PM 08/08/2001, you wrote:
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Lynn Allen
wrote:
 Best backup medium is probably binary printed on acid-free paper
as
 barcodes. This is well capable of true Dead Sea Scrolls archival
longevity, 
 if suitably stored.
 
 That is probably the most unique solution I've heard all day, and
probably 
 all year. :-)
 
 If one could transcribe the bar-code to granite (and it's possible),
you 
 could have something that would last close to 30,000 years before
gradually 
 turning into clay. Who'd read it then, or how, I couldn't rightly
say. ;-)

Of course this assumes that anyone will still remember what the barcodes

actually mean!
Brian Rumary, England
http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm



filmscanners: Re: SilverFast Upgrade Disaster

2001-08-08 Thread Allen Graves
Title: Re: SilverFast Upgrade
Disaster


I bought on Sunday. 8/5 and couldn't upgrade the demo. I
e-mailed for the passwords (including the scanner model, OS, language
and serial number_ the first 3 are required to get the right
password). I had an answer within 4 hours. The upgrade includes
quite a bit of added functionality. I have had to pay for upgrades
that were far less of an improvement functionally (ref. almost any
Microsoft upgrade in its first, buggy, iteration). I also get
the impression that LaserSoft is a relatively small operation
-especially on the retail end-but they've always managed to work out
the kinks which seem to occur when they introduce a significant
upgrade.

I have also noticed that their passwords are case sensitive
and very specific to the individual piece of software you are trying
to download- I sometimes have had to enter the passwords 2 or 3 times
until I get it right.

I agree that having to recalibrate after every upgrade is
annoying, but this may be a spillover from the commercial roots
of the program. I've read of people at service bureaus, etc, who
recalibrate monitors  scanners weekly.



Does anyone
know if the $45US upgrade includes both SilverFast Ai and HDR?

Or do we have to spend $45 for each, for a total of $90?
SilverFast isn't
responding to my e-mails and they aren't answering my questions at
their
forum site. 

I think they're busy with their meltdown over serial numbers and
faulty
passwords. No one seems to be able to get what they paid for,
serial numbers
don't work, etc. I paid my $45 thinking the upgrade was good for
both Ai and
HDR, but their download site implies otherwise. I haven't been
able to do
any downloads because the password and user name they gave me after I
paid my
$45 don't work. Both of my scanners are off-line right now
because I don't
want to go through the effort of another IT-8 calibration if the
upgrade
destroys the calibration. (It did when I installed the SS120.)
By the way,
the SilverFast download site implies that they'll only upgrade for the
SS120
on SCSI, and not if connected via Firewire. Can't get them to
tell me if
that's true or not. 

My recommendation would be that no one have anything to do with
SilverFast
until they
get their house in order.


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Re: filmscanners: Good neg stck on Scanwit

2001-08-08 Thread Mark T.

No, what I meant was - I can *easily* slap a good transparency in and then 
print off a pin-sharp, grainless 11 x 8 at 300 dpi.  But with a negative, I 
would normally spend time ensuring the print was free of grain, by the 
usual blurring of layers, etc etc.  I agree that you can get very good 11 x 
8's, and larger, off negatives with a 2700dpi scanner.  But for me anyway, 
it requires more work and care.

I was also taking into account that the enquiry seemed to be coming from a 
publishing point of view, so I imagine his standards for output are going 
to be high..

So, I do agree with you, and I'm sure your prints are great!

mark t

At 09:25 PM 7/08/01 +1000, you wrote:
Mark T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If you have a 4000dpi scanner, probably.  But I find with 2700 dpi, the
  grain-aliasing makes it harder to get good enlargements (8x10 and up) off
negs.

Really Mark?  You can't get a good enlargement to A4 at 2700dpi?
That really surprises me - larger prints less so, although I've printed
A3 from a neg scan out of the LS30 on my Epson 1160 and it looked
OK. :-7  I'm not boasting.  Far from it.  I'm just surprised that you say
you can't get good prints to A4 off negs.

Rob




Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?

2001-08-08 Thread Pat Perez

Sorry to be late chiming in, but a few options I haven't seen anyone
recommend are commercial digital archiving, or commercial media storage. If
you have your images in digital form, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find
a data storage company to archive it for you under controlled conditions,
with multiple site backups. The other option might make more sense to
someone like me, who lives in a big media city (Los Angeles). Quite
literally a stone's throw from my front door is a media storage warehouse,
kind of like those storage lockers one rents to stash old junk, but this
place specializes in storing recorded media (film, tape, paper, etc.) under
temperature and humidity controlled conditions.

Anyways, it seems like these options make sense for anyone who has valuable
storage needs, either electronic or originals (or for that matter,
electronic originals). Leave the detail of media safety to professionals.
Just a thought.

Pat

- Original Message -
From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?


 Not to be a smart @ss, but how about film?

 I don't know that any of the current storage media will either be around
 or will survive 20 plus years from now.

 I'm unfamiliar with Iomega's optical drives.  I know they make mainly
 magnetic drives and rebadge some CD-R drives.  DVD RAM and it's kin are
 all so tentative in terms of which will become standardized, that it is
 probably a lot safer to use CD-R.

 Art

 Mark Edmonds wrote:

  Basically, I am looking for a long term (20 years+) storage medium to
  archive my scans on. I don't have faith in CDR and tapes are also prone
to
  long term problems so the only solution I can see is a magneto optical
disk.
  Another problem is that it is all well and good to have a bomb proof
medium
  but it is no good if no one makes the hardware to read it in a few years
  time.
 
  So is there a clear cut winner out there? The two affordable options I
am
  looking at are either the Iomega Optical drive or the Panasonic DVD-RAM.
The
  Iomega seems to support a format which has some penetration in the
market
  but the DVD-RAM looks like it might not have got very far. I am running
  NT4.0 by the way.
 
  Any advice on this matter gratfully received!
 
  Mark



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Re: filmscanners: (no subject)

2001-08-08 Thread GNUNEMAKER

Check Shopper.com.  Priced in the mid $1,500 but often out of stock.  

B H always a good source with competitive pricing.

There you go Henry - a free one!



filmscanners: Nikon 8000

2001-08-08 Thread Peter

For the past few months I have been checking with BH in New York City to
inquire about the availability of the Nikon 8000. Each time I have been told
maybe in July, etc.. The other day I was told ...we don't know when the
units will be available. Additionally, they will not take an order for the
machine.

Apparently the 8000 is available somewhere--but where? I wonder why BH
doesn't have the 8000 in that it is such a large volume photo
store--probably the largest in the world.

Could it be that BH believes or learned that the 8000 has problems? If that
is the case, could they have decided not to carry it until whatever the
problem is straightened out--if there is a problem at all?

They do have the Polaroid Sprintscan 120 in stock and I am tempted to buy it
instead of waiting any longer for the Nikon 8000.

Any knowledge or thoughts about the availability and/or the seeming
unavailability of the Nikon will be most appreciated.

Peter