[filmscanners] Re: Scan Dual IV vs Elite

2004-11-04 Thread Berry Ives
on 11/2/04 4:40 AM, Al Bond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Berry Ives wrote:

 It seems like I have
 heard of grain aliasing issues, or somesuch.  I am printing at 1440
 dpi on watercolor paper with an Epson 2200.

 A couple of points.  Firstly, the Elite 5400 has a grain disolver feature
 which puts a diffuser in the light path.  Going by some review sites on
 the web, it does make a beneficial difference to the visibility of grain.
 The down side is that it does extend the scan time.

 Also, grain aliasing seems to be worse on scanners with a resolution in
 the 2700-2800 ppi range.  Scanning at a higher resolution is reported to
 be much better.  (I can't speak from experience on this as I don't have
 the Elite 5400, just the original Elite.)

 Even if the resolution is greater than you need, you can scan at full
 resolution and then downsample afterwards.  This, plus the grain
 dissolver, should give you much better results than the Dual IV,
 although it would probably be much slower.

 Of course, the Elite 5400 also has ICE which can come in handy.



 Al Bond

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Al,

Thanks for that info.  Regarding the 2700-2800 ppi range where you say the
grain aliasing is reportedly worst, the Scan Dual IV, at 3200 ppi, is beyond
that range.  I am wondering if anyone has had any specific experience with
the SD-IV where aliasing has been a problem.

Berry


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[filmscanners] Neat Image with Nikon scanners?

2004-11-04 Thread Julian Vrieslander
Since there is now a Mac version of the Neat Image plugin, I have been
looking at their product info page

http://www.neatimage.com/mac/index.html

They don't provide a noise profile for the Nikon film scanners.  I would be
interested in reading comments from any Wintel users who have tried Neat
Image with an LS-4000 or other Nikon scanners.  Are the results better than
what can be achieved with the noise/grain reduction tools in VueScan and
Photoshop CS?

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[filmscanners] Re: Neat Image with Nikon scanners?

2004-11-04 Thread David J. Littleboy

From: Julian Vrieslander [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Since there is now a Mac version of the Neat Image plugin, I have been
looking at their product info page

http://www.neatimage.com/mac/index.html

They don't provide a noise profile for the Nikon film scanners.  I would be
interested in reading comments from any Wintel users who have tried Neat
Image with an LS-4000 or other Nikon scanners.  Are the results better than
what can be achieved with the noise/grain reduction tools in VueScan and
Photoshop CS?


With the Nikon 8000, NikonScan, Fuji Velvia 50 and Reala, I found NeatImage
to be nothing other than amazing. As long as your image has a relatively
large smooth area, it can figure out a profile.

It did have one minor problem: processing a 645 scan took 25 minutes. Ouch.
So it has not been part of my workflow.

Since then, they claim they've speeded it up, and I've bought a new computer
that's quite a bit faster, so I'm planning on trying again.

My basic take is that high-res film scans need noise reduction, and
NeatImage does a good job.

There's also NoiseNinja that a lot of peole like, but I don't know if it has
a MAC version.

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[filmscanners] Re: Neat Image with Nikon scanners?

2004-11-04 Thread Alex Z
I scan by LS-40.
Since NI evaluation and purchase I found one a little bit more
effective for grain smoothing then the GEM. Slightly smoother
performance and a touch less impact on sharpness.
However, if detail sharpness is critical, it may still have certain
impact on one. I figured for my uses NI is most appropriate for
portraiture to smooth out less then perfect skin appearance and
smoothign the grain in the background (especially when it is a single
toned area such as sky). Certainly, there is a small impact to
sharpness if you would examine very closely, but very bearable for
portraiture and
easily compensated by a touch of USM.
It takes time or processing and 100% of CPU resources, not the speed
king (having said that I have yet upgraded to a newest version), but
when needed producec stunning results (especially for women's eyes :-)
).

Regards, Alex

--- Julian Vrieslander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Since there is now a Mac version of the Neat Image plugin, I have
 been
 looking at their product info page

 http://www.neatimage.com/mac/index.html

 They don't provide a noise profile for the Nikon film scanners.  I
 would be
 interested in reading comments from any Wintel users who have tried
 Neat
 Image with an LS-4000 or other Nikon scanners.  Are the results
 better than
 what can be achieved with the noise/grain reduction tools in VueScan
 and
 Photoshop CS?

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