[filmscanners] Re: [filmscanners_Digest] hi bit

2003-09-22 Thread Andreas Siegert
Hi Tom,

Why are high bit worksflows harder and take more time? Because of the
Photoshop limitations? Wouldn't a 16bit clean program relieve you of these
hassles?

 Hello afx, I think the slowness is primarily due to the glacial speed that
 the scanner transfers data to the computer. Sometimes ten minutes just to
No on my box. Here the scanner is the slow part (FS4000), not the SCSI bus.

 much faster.  The other time consuming part is making the selection, you
 can't just reach for tools, you have to lasso your area to be fixed up, then
 apply the feathered selection, then do levels/curves adjustments on the
 selection.  Or else the other way is to use history erase.  either takes ten
 more steps (approximately) compared to using a simple dodge/burn tool.
 Still, IMHO, it gives a much better result because you can optimize the
 levels and curves for each section of an image, no limit, you can have
 everbody's faces, for example, individually leveled and curved and color
 corrected.
Sounds awfully complicated and sort of confirms my theses that the problem is
PS not having full 16bit support.

 I wish i knew of a program that allowed dodging/burning in 16 bit, do you?
Not on the Mac, only on the PC (see the other posts) ;-(
If PWP where available on the Mac, I would have bought one instead of the
Athlon box I am using now.

cheers
afx
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[filmscanners] Re: [filmscanners_Digest] hi bit

2003-09-21 Thread HPA

 in excellent condition.  Hi bit workflows are much harder to do, take far
 more time, and use more storage space.  However learning them can improve
 Why are high bit worksflows harder and take more time? Because of the
 Photoshop limitations? Wouldn't a 16bit clean program relieve you of these
 hassles?

Hello afx, I think the slowness is primarily due to the glacial speed that
the scanner transfers data to the computer. Sometimes ten minutes just to
get a scan.  I have a G4, maybe it is old and slow, maybe new computers are
much faster.  The other time consuming part is making the selection, you
can't just reach for tools, you have to lasso your area to be fixed up, then
apply the feathered selection, then do levels/curves adjustments on the
selection.  Or else the other way is to use history erase.  either takes ten
more steps (approximately) compared to using a simple dodge/burn tool.
Still, IMHO, it gives a much better result because you can optimize the
levels and curves for each section of an image, no limit, you can have
everbody's faces, for example, individually leveled and curved and color
corrected.

I wish i knew of a program that allowed dodging/burning in 16 bit, do you?

tom Robinson


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[filmscanners] Re: [filmscanners_Digest] hi bit

2003-09-21 Thread Bob Frost
Tom,

PS can! Use levels to make the image darker (or lighter), and then use
history brush to burn (or dodge) with opacity control. Simple!

Bob Frost.

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[filmscanners] RE: [filmscanners_Digest] hi bit

2003-09-21 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi Tom,

 Hello afx, I think the slowness is primarily due to the glacial speed that
 the scanner transfers data to the computer.

Unless you have a really old scanner that uses a parallel or serial port,
I'd doubt that the issue is data transfer from the scanner to the computer.
Typically, it is the exposure time that is far longer than the data transfer
time.  A bulb that is weak, or simply bad exposure, can really reek havoc on
exposure time.

If you do the simple calculations for, say, a 35mm negative, 16 bits/color
at 4kSPI, that gives you 4000 x 6000 x 2 bytes/color x 3 colors bytes to
transfer = 144,000,000 bytes.  Data is transferred while the scanner is
scanning...and any processing is done line by line, as it is sent to the
computer.  So, Asynchronous SCSI I goes at, let's say, 1.5M
bytes/second...so that would take 96 seconds...or one and a half minutes.

Say you have 25ms per line scan time, and a 5ns per line overhead, or 30ms
per line.  There are 6000 lines, so just the scan takes 3 minutes.

I'd suggest checking your exposure time if you are getting long scans.
There also could be something wrong with your cable/termination/controller.

Regards,

Austin


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