Re: [Finale] Finale + Garritan Personal Orchestra
GPO is really worth the money. With Finale 2005 the result is very nice. Davo On 2-sep-04, at 21:55, Fisher, Allen wrote: Works swimmingly with my setup (The sounds are OUTSTANDING, btw): Dell Dimmension 4680 (2.8GHz P4) 1GB RAM (this is a recommended system requirement for GPO IIRC) Windows XP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Javier Ruiz Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Finale + Garritan Personal Orchestra [Garritan Personal Orchestra is a sampler player loaded with 2 Gigabytes of orchestral samples. See www.gpo.com] I wonder if anyone is using this combination Finale + Garritan Personal Orchestra with success... Please specify platform and processor speed since it seems to be an important issue. Many thanks! Javier Ruiz. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerDavo van Peursen/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller(Sr. Music Editor at MuziekGroep Nederland) /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerPaulus Potterstraat 14 1071 CZ Amsterdam The Netherlands phone: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller+31(0)20 3058922/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller mail: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller site: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerhttp://www.muziekgroep.nl/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale + Garritan Personal Orchestra
Javier Ruiz writes: And how it works? It´s worth the money? In terms of what's bundled with GPO, you get lots of stuff for the money (although I haven't really used the stuff on the 4th CD, except for testing Overture). The samples included are exceptionally good, except for the strings (which are pretty limited, but that's of course dependent on what kind of string writing you're going to play back). And you're limited to normal orchestral instruments and sounds, I think the WWW page have a list of all included samples. With GPO, you work a bit differently than with normal sound devices, since instrument changes are done by changing channels instead of patch changes. And you probably already know about slurs and dynamics (GPO dynamics are supported by 2005-HP, GPO slurs are not). When it comes to interfacing with Fin2005, here are 2 issues: * The dynamic range is not as large as for the SoftSynth, for example. * The Expression Hairpin Emphasis setting in HP conflicts with GPO, as I see it. This setting does 2 things - controls the dynamic range of hairpin+hairpin situations (such as ), and it also controls the volume expression on long notes. The latter is good for flat samples, such as the one included in the SoftSynth - but since GPO includes its own expression in the samples themselves, this can produce absurd-sounding results when used with GPO. This HP preference setting should IMO absolutely be separated into 2 different ones! Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Putting Full Staff Name in middle of score
I realize this has been discussed several times over the years that I have been on this list but I can't for the life of me remember how I can get the full staff names to appear in the middle of a multi-movement score. I would like the full instrument name to appear on the first staff of the second movement just as it does at the beginning of the first movement. I have saved many messages over the years on how to accomplish certain things, but this is something I have apparently failed to save when it was discussed previously. Thanks for your help. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Putting Full Staff Name in middle of score
At 08:33 AM 09/03/2004, Jari Williamsson wrote: One method is to optimize the score, and put the staff names there as group names for just that staff system. That's an interesting method Jari -- I'll have to try it. What I've been doing is creating a staff style for each instrument such that the abbreviated name is the same as the full name, and then applying that style (for each instrument) to the first measure of the new movement. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Putting Full Staff Name in middle of score
In a message dated 9/3/04 7:34:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I realize this has been discussed several times over the years that I have been on this list but I can't for the life of me remember how I can get the full staff names to appear in the middle of a multi-movement score. One method is to optimize the score, and put the staff names there as group names for just that staff system. Right, this was the only way to do it (with Group names) until staff styles were introduced. You'll need to define a staff style for each instrument label you'll need by entering the Full Staff Name into the Abbrev Staff Name box. Once you have them set-up, you simply apply them to the first measures on the page where the new mvmt begins. And now, you can save staff style libraries for future use, can't you? JB ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Putting Full Staff Name in middle of score
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:33 AM 09/03/2004, Jari Williamsson wrote: One method is to optimize the score, and put the staff names there as group names for just that staff system. That's an interesting method Jari -- I'll have to try it. What I've been doing is creating a staff style for each instrument such that the abbreviated name is the same as the full name, and then applying that style (for each instrument) to the first measure of the new movement. That's the one I couldn't remember! Thanks! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Slow-loading WinFin2005
The splash screen is displayed for about 20-30 seconds - a seeming eternity compared to Fin2004. I'm still in Win98. I was wondering if Finale would load faster if it didn't have certain elements, such as videos, or background displays. If so, is it better to re-install Finale without these elements, or is it OK to delete them from the Finale folder? Thanks! Giz PS -- I installed Fin2005 in a new directory, and didn't overwrite 2004. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Figured bass fonts
Dear list, Do you know, where I can find a free figured bass font? or a full trial version? If no solutions, what's the best choice : Bayard-Nizet : Koechlin Ronald caltabiano : Sicilian numerals Ansgar Krause : Figured bass Others? Thanks for your responses. Pierre. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Figured bass fonts
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:26:49 +0200, Pierre Bailleul wrote: Do you know, where I can find a free figured bass font? or a full trial version? If no solutions, what's the best choice : Bayard-Nizet : Koechlin Ronald caltabiano : Sicilian numerals Ansgar Krause : Figured bass Others? It's not free, but John Clevenger's ChordSymbol (and CSTimes, its accompanying text-plus-symbols variation) are worth a look. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Figured bass fonts
From: Pierre Bailleul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you know, where I can find a free figured bass font? or a full trial version? If no solutions, what's the best choice : Bayard-Nizet : Koechlin Ronald caltabiano : Sicilian numerals Ansgar Krause : Figured bass Others? I don't know about the others, but I use Ansgar Krause's font, and I found it easy to learn and have no complaints with it. Larry Kent Tampa, FL [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale + Garritan Personal Orchestra
At 11:27 AM +0200 9/3/04, Jari Williamsson wrote (on the Finale Listserv): With GPO, you work a bit differently than with normal sound devices, since instrument changes are done by changing channels instead of patch changes. I think this highlights the direction things have been moving for a while. To do a decent job of faking (playing back) large orchestrations, you need lots of channels. As you know, one instrument can eat up many channels just with all the variations in playing techniques. (e.g., arco, col legno, pizz., tremolo, sfzp, sul pont. and so on). Finale's long-standing limit of 64 channels is too limiting for what a lot of people need and are moving toward. Doubling his amount to at least match what sequencing programs offer would be a good place to start. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] European dealers
Not exactly, but the postal service does not pass customs if the declared total value is less than a certain amount. For many years I have been receiving packages from Amazon without paying custom duties. They all came by postal service and their value was about 150$ each time. If I use UPS, DHL or something like that there is always an outrageous 30 euros fee plus the duties (10% in Canary Islands). And of course I don´t thing this is illegal. Javito Javier Ruiz écrit: [I haven´t tried this but...] Try to tell Coda to send it by USPS (postal service), and since the value is less than 90 euros, you should not pay VAT on arrival. Thanks. Do you mean the VAT depends both on the value and the shipping method? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The Default WHISTLE
I feel your pain. Over the years, I have become so sick and tired of that whistle. I'm sure you will receive many excellent answers i finally got the sounds I wanted by working with the Percussion map, etc. But I'm anything but an educator in this milieu. Dean On Sep 3, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Henry Howey wrote: For some reason, whenever I set up a percussion staff, I need 3 or 4 tries to obtain the sound I need. Even with the SETUP WIZARD the sound that plays is a whistle. In one score I (after a lot of steps) was able to obtain a triangle, though later notes entered on the same staff on the same line had become whistles. Any suggestions? -- Henry Howey, D.M.A. Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Para mí, la música es la respiración de la vida y de Dios. Per me, la musica è l'alito di vita e del Dio. Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu. Für mich ist Musik der Atem des Lebens und des Gottes. Dean M. Estabrook Director of Music St. Andrew Presbyterian Church Yuba City, CA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale + Garritan Personal Orchestra
Randolph Peters wrote: At 11:27 AM +0200 9/3/04, Jari Williamsson wrote (on the Finale Listserv): With GPO, you work a bit differently than with normal sound devices, since instrument changes are done by changing channels instead of patch changes. I think this highlights the direction things have been moving for a while. To do a decent job of faking (playing back) large orchestrations, you need lots of channels. As you know, one instrument can eat up many channels just with all the variations in playing techniques. (e.g., arco, col legno, pizz., tremolo, sfzp, sul pont. and so on). Finale's long-standing limit of 64 channels is too limiting for what a lot of people need and are moving toward. Doubling his amount to at least match what sequencing programs offer would be a good place to start. Why are separate channels necessary for different sounds? Why can't the patch change at the appropriate place, on the same channel? Can Finale change channels in the middle of a staff? I had never thought of doing that so I've never tried. I thought the channels were assigned in the instrument list and that you can only assign one channel to a single staff. Shows how much I have to learn! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] European dealers
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Re: [Finale] Finale + Garritan Personal Orchestra
Randolph Peters wrote: I think this highlights the direction things have been moving for a while. To do a decent job of faking (playing back) large orchestrations, you need lots of channels. As you know, one instrument can eat up many channels just with all the variations in playing techniques. (e.g., arco, col legno, pizz., tremolo, sfzp, sul pont. and so on). Finale's long-standing limit of 64 channels is too limiting for what a lot of people need and are moving toward. Doubling this amount to at least match what sequencing programs offer would be a good place to start. At 2:55 PM -0400 9/3/04, dhbailey wrote: Why are separate channels necessary for different sounds? Why can't the patch change at the appropriate place, on the same channel? 1) Patch changes are good in some cases, such as when you are playing a hardware synthesizer and you have many patches to choose from. Software synths and samplers are a different thing, however. Most of the time you need to set up one instrument per channel (or whatever the terminology is for that particular synth/sampler) and patch changes are ignored. I'm thinking of Reason, Kontact, SampleCell, VSamp, GIGA and I believe Garritan Personal Orchestra among others. 2) Only by having many channels can you get around the problem of having pitchbend or continuous controllers such as volume affecting other staves on the same channel. (For example, in an orchestral score I often have 5 or 6 staves of violins available all playing the same patch, but on different channels so that I can add glissando, or diminuendo on long notes without that affecting another track.) 3) Patch changes also have the disadvantage of not kicking in quickly enough. (Notes can get truncated off the top if there is not enough time for the patch to change with all of its effects settings and whatnot. Roland synths are especially guilty of this.) Can Finale change channels in the middle of a staff? I had never thought of doing that so I've never tried. I thought the channels were assigned in the instrument list and that you can only assign one channel to a single staff. You can easily change channels on a staff. I like to assign these channel changes to non-printing expressions. [With Finale's new way of documenting what each expression does, it is much easier to keep track of these things and to build up a personal library that makes sense when you re-use it in another piece.] In addition, you can have different channels for all 4 layers, chords and expressions. If you want to port your playback to a dedicated sequencing program there is currently a big hassle of not being able to keep the same track setup for both Finale (64 channels) and say, Performer (which has had 128 channels for years, and now even more with Rewire and interapplication MIDI). I don't think adding more channels to Finale would be too great a programming challenge. It would enhance a core function of Finale and it would meet the demands of a new generation of sound-producing software. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] a little TAN
I have a Logitechcordless optical mouse. It has gotten really 'sticky'. I have cleaned off the little white plastic parts that slide on the mouse pad. What else could be causing this? I wiped off the cat hair off the mousepad. Jane ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Ties
Are you adding ties singly or 'en masse'? I had trouble when adding ties singly, but adding by clicking on stem of chord seems to work OK. If not this, then- sorry! Cheers Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Frasier Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2004 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Ties I am using Finale 2004 on Mac, OS 10.3.5. It seems like ties in the piece I am working on look awful. If I have chord of 3 notes tied, the middle tie is way too narrow. Also if a chord with 4 notes, with the interval of a second in the middle, the middle ties are misplaced. Has any one else seen this? Is there a cure? Thanks. Jane Frasier ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties
I was adding them for the whole chord at once. Jane On Sep 3, 2004, at 8:50 PM, Keith Helgesen wrote: Are you adding ties singly or 'en masse'? I had trouble when adding ties singly, but adding by clicking on stem of chord seems to work OK. If not this, then- sorry! Cheers Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Frasier Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2004 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Ties I am using Finale 2004 on Mac, OS 10.3.5. It seems like ties in the piece I am working on look awful. If I have chord of 3 notes tied, the middle tie is way too narrow. Also if a chord with 4 notes, with the interval of a second in the middle, the middle ties are misplaced. Has any one else seen this? Is there a cure? Thanks. Jane Frasier ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties
On Sep 3, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Jane Frasier wrote: I am using Finale 2004 on Mac, OS 10.3.5. It seems like ties in the piece I am working on look awful. If I have chord of 3 notes tied, the middle tie is way too narrow. Also if a chord with 4 notes, with the interval of a second in the middle, the middle ties are misplaced. Has any one else seen this? Is there a cure? For the middle tie being too short, the setting you need to change is under Music Spacing Options (Options Document Settings Music Spacing Options*. Change the value for Minimum Distance Between Notes with Ties to something larger. The tie is going to squeeze itself into whatever space there is, but this value makes sure that when the music is spaced it leaves enough room for a longer tie. The rest of the settings you want are under Options Document Settings Tie Options*. I've been using my own Tie Option settings for so long that I don't even remember what values are set in the default templates, but I vaguely recall being dissatisfied with them. I'm not sure what you mean by the middle ties being misplaced. If you're unhappy with the choices of over vs under, try a different selection under Tie Direction Chords. The three options are three different algorithms for determining up or down for the ties in the middle of the chord. Perhaps the rule you consider correct is not the same one you have selected. Lots of other tie settings you twiddle with there. Even when you get the settings you like best, there will still be cases where you have to adjust them manually to get it just right. mdl * I'm on Fin Mac 2k2s. The menu locations may be a little different in whatever version you're on, but the same panels will be there somewhere. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
