[Finale] converting from earlier versions
I'm using Fin Mac v2k2 to open some old files I made way back in 1997. I think they were done in Finale v97, but I'm not sure. My Mac is automatically converting them to v2002. When the file opens, there's a window that briefly appears and disappears. I think it's telling me which version the documents were originally made in, but it goes by too fast for me to read it. I'm guessing that once upon a time I checked a box that says Don't ask me again, and that's why it doesn't give me time to read the window. If so there ought to be a program option somewhere that lets me switch it back, but if so, I can't find it. I looked under Program Options, but I don't see it there. Does anyone know where it might be? thanks mdl P.S. Depending on how much hassle it is to tweak the converted 2k2 files and make them look decent, I might be looking for someone to open them in v97 (or whatever it is) and make PDFs from there. If anyone out there has v97 and wants to volunteer, drop me a line. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] SPACING
On MacFin2004b, I'm having a question about Spacing. I finally abandoned my old templates from many previous versions back, and am attempting to score something using Setup Wizard from the start. When I highlight an area and press 4 (note spacing), I get a very large measure at the end the staff, and everything scrunched together in the earlier measures. Pressing 3 (beat spacing) produces some very unnatural looking spacing, but does spread everything out a little more. Any solution? All the best, KIM Richmond ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] SPACING
Use mass mover, and do a REMOVE SYSTEM LOCKS. That should fix it. Kim Richmond wrote: On MacFin2004b, I'm having a question about Spacing. I finally abandoned my old templates from many previous versions back, and am attempting to score something using Setup Wizard from the start. When I highlight an area and press 4 (note spacing), I get a very large measure at the end the staff, and everything scrunched together in the earlier measures. Pressing 3 (beat spacing) produces some very unnatural looking spacing, but does spread everything out a little more. Any solution? All the best, KIM Richmond ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAC USB and serial midi machines
Title: Re: [Finale] MAC USB and serial midi machines Hi Gerald, I would have to agree with what David is saying about keeping your modules...at least your favorites around for a little while. My setup is completely digital (softsynths etc.) and must say I really like it. But I'm kicking myself for getting rid of some of the old stuff. A lot of the old sounds are still very usable and even fashionable! So there may be some things you would want to keep (do you have a JV-1080 perhaps?I got rid of my XP-50 and I'm sad!) As Javier suggested, you'll need a workhorse of a computer. I'm running a Powermac G5 1.8 dual processor with 2 gigs of ram and two internal 250 gig hard drives (to store sounds etc.) I'm using all software based instruments and it runs quite smoothly. But I may pick up some more RAM even so. Some of the sounds available today are wonderful! Regarding the midi interface, I run Digital Performer 4 so I stayed with Motu audio and midi interfaces. You can use these interfaces with Finale though too. I have the Midi Express XT USB which may be a bit of overkill (8 ins and 8 outs) but if you keep some of those modules it may come in handy. I got it in case I go back to some outboard gear and for the sync features. ($349.00 at sweetwater.com) The next interface down (MOTU) is the MicroExpress USB...4 in 6 out and also has some nice features including sync capabilities. ($249.97 at sweetwater.com...P.S. I'm not a salesperson but I do use these guys from time to time.) If you decide that you don't need many extra midi ports or sync, then there are other smaller MOTU midi devices too. The ones Javier suggested will do just fine also. Have fun! Best, Karen gj.berg wrote: OK now I'm getting excited -- I am anticipating all sorts of elbow room as I toss out all my sound boxes (3rd floor to pavement) so zealously collected since 1991 and move to software -- however I still need my keyboard. What will I need to adapt it to the USB chain of events? At what price? Thanks in advance Gerald Berg Before you trash your hardware modules and synths, be sure you are able to get your soft-synths to do what you want. Softsynths are processor intensive, and often latency creeps in. For things like playback of a Finale score that isn't a problem since the latency would be the same for all the parts being played (assuming you are using one single softsynth for playback at any one time). But if you are listening to what you have already entered while trying to play in an additional line through Hyperscribe, you may be disappointed by the latency issue. You may not be bothered by it, also. Depending on the amount of ram you have and the processor speed you have, it may not be an issue at all for you, but I would advise you to simply store your modules and synths until you are certain you won't want to go back to them. I'm also not sure how versatile softsynths are in coexising with each other. With hardware modules you can daisy-chain them (or use a midi-router box) and use the brass sounds from one module while using the strings from another module and so on, or you can take advantage of Finale's ability to use more than one midi port and use several modules, each attached to a different midi port, to get far more than 16 channels of sound. I'm not sure that is so easy with softsynths. I hope all works out to your heart's desire and the softsynths are able to do all you need with no major hassles. But just to be safe, keep the modules in your closet until you've worked with the softsynths for 6 months or so to be sure that everything will work together as you hope. Good luck! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] SPACING
Title: Re: [Finale] SPACING Hi Kim, You may try going back to your old template and checking the settings and measurements you have under OptionsDocument SettingsMusic Spacing (don't forget to get the settings by clicking on spacing widths too.) Make a note or take screen shots of these settings. Then do the same for OptionsDocument SettingsNotes and Rests. You can then set up the new template with these settings. (Don't forget to click apply before leaving the document options window.) It may be possible to use the save library...(document settings) feature to export out of the old template and the load library (document settings) to import into the new template. But I am a bit wary of doing this especially when trying to set up a new fresh template. Doing some of this manually may keep the file from inheriting any bugs and/or corruption from old files that have been converted through several versions of Finale. I don't have any scientific proof that this actually happens but I have seen some strange things that made me wonder..JMHO. :-) Hope some of this helps. Best, Karen On MacFin2004b, I'm having a question about Spacing. I finally abandoned my old templates from many previous versions back, and am attempting to score something using Setup Wizard from the start. When I highlight an area and press 4 (note spacing), I get a very large measure at the end the staff, and everything scrunched together in the earlier measures. Pressing 3 (beat spacing) produces some very unnatural looking spacing, but does spread everything out a little more. Any solution? All the best, KIM Richmond ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] SPACING
Kim Richmond wrote: On MacFin2004b, I'm having a question about Spacing. I finally abandoned my old templates from many previous versions back, and am attempting to score something using Setup Wizard from the start. When I highlight an area and press 4 (note spacing), I get a very large measure at the end the staff, and everything scrunched together in the earlier measures. Pressing 3 (beat spacing) produces some very unnatural looking spacing, but does spread everything out a little more. Update the layout after doing Note Spacing. It is also possible that your staves are locked, unlock them. You may want to switch on Automatic Update Layout, although if you are working with large scores this may cause an overall slowdown. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] please avoid HTML mails...
Hi, I notice an increased proportion of html mails on this list, probably partly from new listers, who don't know better. I know that some people with AOL accounts have problems switching to plain text mails, but could all others please stick to plain text? I really don't intend to start a big discussion on this, I merely want to remind people that they can make our lives just a little easier by sticking with plain text mails. Thanks, Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAC USB and serial midi machines
Thank you all. Ohhh sooo expensive! This ain't fun anymore. I was joking about tossing them sound boxes out but I am so very tired of their tone. What I'm getting at this point is a G4 933Mhz, 2 meg L3 cache, 1 gig ram and 80 gig hard drive. Delivery is tomorrow so I can change things. Just going up one more (1.2 MHz) adds $500 Cdn -- a G5 pretty well doubles my price. I don't use Hyperscribe. I'm a one note at a time kind of guy. So if I understand aright. 1.) The faster the computer the more complex a simultaneity sound I can trust to achieve. 2.) More RAM gives me the opportunity to store sounds of higher fidelity or have more sounds at the ready. 3.) Larger drive gives my the opportunity for a larger library of sound. Presently I am working with 32 channel serial midi box. What I'm having trouble visualizing is the 64 channel universe. Do I need a piece of hardware for this? With softsynth systems this would be software driven I would've thought. If this is the case all I need my keyboard for is to hear my noodling and punching in notes to the score -- i.e. a basic serial card. If I got the basic serial card and just plug in my system as it is I should be up and away no? So I think go to 2 gig ram and 120 or 250 gig drive and tolerate the speed. Thanks again David, Javier and Karen Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Finale] MAC USB and serial midi machines Hi Gerald, I would have to agree with what David is saying about keeping your modules...at least your favorites around for a little while. My setup is completely digital (softsynths etc.) and must say I really like it. But I'm kicking myself for getting rid of some of the old stuff. A lot of the old sounds are still very usable and even fashionable! So there may be some things you would want to keep (do you have a JV-1080 perhaps?I got rid of my XP-50 and I'm sad!) As Javier suggested, you'll need a workhorse of a computer. I'm running a Powermac G5 1.8 dual processor with 2 gigs of ram and two internal 250 gig hard drives (to store sounds etc.) I'm using all software based instruments and it runs quite smoothly. But I may pick up some more RAM even so. Some of the sounds available today are wonderful! Regarding the midi interface, I run Digital Performer 4 so I stayed with Motu audio and midi interfaces. You can use these interfaces with Finale though too. I have the Midi Express XT USB which may be a bit of overkill (8 ins and 8 outs) but if you keep some of those modules it may come in handy. I got it in case I go back to some outboard gear and for the sync features. ($349.00 at sweetwater.com) The next interface down (MOTU) is the MicroExpress USB...4 in 6 out and also has some nice features including sync capabilities. ($249.97 at sweetwater.com...P.S. I'm not a salesperson but I do use these guys from time to time.) If you decide that you don't need many extra midi ports or sync, then there are other smaller MOTU midi devices too. The ones Javier suggested will do just fine also. Have fun! Best, Karen gj.berg wrote: OK now I'm getting excited -- I am anticipating all sorts of elbow room as I toss out all my sound boxes (3rd floor to pavement) so zealously collected since 1991 and move to software -- however I still need my keyboard. What will I need to adapt it to the USB chain of events? At what price? Thanks in advance Gerald Berg Before you trash your hardware modules and synths, be sure you are able to get your soft-synths to do what you want. Softsynths are processor intensive, and often latency creeps in. For things like playback of a Finale score that isn't a problem since the latency would be the same for all the parts being played (assuming you are using one single softsynth for playback at any one time). But if you are listening to what you have already entered while trying to play in an additional line through Hyperscribe, you may be disappointed by the latency issue. You may not be bothered by it, also. Depending on the amount of ram you have and the processor speed you have, it may not be an issue at all for you, but I would advise you to simply store your modules and synths until you are certain you won't want to go back to them. I'm also not sure how versatile softsynths are in coexising with each other. With hardware modules you can daisy-chain them (or use a midi-router box) and use the brass sounds from one module while using the strings from another module and
[Finale] One reason people say Finale is hard to learn
I've been using Finale since the absolute beginning. Yesterday, I figured out that, in order to save certain part extraction settings in a template (the things in the Options dialog - instrument header font, size placement, space between staves in multi-stave parts, also where the part is saved and whether or not it opens after extraction), you must change the settings and then can only apply them by extracting a dummy, throwaway part. There's no other way to do it. This convoluted behavior does not faze me, but I can imagine how complicated it might seem to a new user. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] One reason people say Finale is hard to learn
Chuck, I agree, but, do this once and then save the Page Format settings as a library and the part extraction settings will be imported along with the page demensions. Vince Leonard www.invinceableentertainment.com I've been using Finale since the absolute beginning. Yesterday, I figured out that, in order to save certain part extraction settings in a template (the things in the Options dialog - instrument header font, size placement, space between staves in multi-stave parts, also where the part is saved and whether or not it opens after extraction), you must change the settings and then can only apply them by extracting a dummy, throwaway part. There's no other way to do it. This convoluted behavior does not faze me, but I can imagine how complicated it might seem to a new user. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] One reason people say Finale is hard to learn
Thanks Vince. Excellent idea. There are always things I don't know! Chuck On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, I agree, but, do this once and then save the Page Format settings as a library and the part extraction settings will be imported along with the page demensions. Vince Leonard www.invinceableentertainment.com I've been using Finale since the absolute beginning. Yesterday, I figured out that, in order to save certain part extraction settings in a template (the things in the Options dialog - instrument header font, size placement, space between staves in multi-stave parts, also where the part is saved and whether or not it opens after extraction), you must change the settings and then can only apply them by extracting a dummy, throwaway part. There's no other way to do it. This convoluted behavior does not faze me, but I can imagine how complicated it might seem to a new user. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Printer question
This is rather late -- I posted my question, then was unable to get back to the computer and the list for a good couple of weeks -- but I just wanted to publicly acknowledge and thank those who were able to reply to my printer question. Differing viewpoints, as always, and lots of food for thought. I'm still not sure what the final decision will be, but I at least have a bit more information and actual user's experiences to go on. Thanks again. -- Mike Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hello all -- I¹ve read some of the printer discussions in the past, and thought I might run this question by you all. Does anyone have/what do you think of the HP Deskjet 9650? I¹m looking for a printer that gives as close to laser-quality output as possible (but I by no means do anything that requires archival-quality or publishable stuff) and will print on large-size paper (at least 11x17, although the 9650 brochure says it goes up to 13x19). At the same time, this printer is for use in our home, and my wife and I would like to be able to print out digital photos on it as well. The HP Deskjet 9650 seems to fulfill both of those needs, and I usually see it on sale for $250 or $300 at the local OfficeMax or Staples. Are there any alarms I should know about, for those of you who have used it? Does anyone have a better product in mind in a similar price range ($350 at the absolute upper-most limit)? Thanks in advance for anyone¹s suggestions. -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] converting from earlier versions
On Oct 6, 2004, at 12:03 AM, d. collins wrote: In 2004, in Program Options, Open, there is a box to tick that says Require confirmation after conversion. I have it ticked and have to click OK when I open an old document. In 2k2, the only equivalent window is under Options Program Options, and it's not there, nor is it under the Other Options within that window. Does anyone know where this setting is in 2k2? In the File menu, there is also a File info that gives the version of Finale used to create the file after you've opened and converted it. Aha, that answers my question. Thanks. The files were created in v3.5. Yikes, that's even older than I thought. I'm now leaning toward taking the extra time to tidy them up in 2k2, but if anyone out there still has 3.5 loaded, drop me a line. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAC USB and serial midi machines
So if I understand aright. 1.) The faster the computer the more complex a simultaneity sound I can trust to achieve. 2.) More RAM gives me the opportunity to store sounds of higher fidelity or have more sounds at the ready. 3.) Larger drive gives my the opportunity for a larger library of sound. That's it! Presently I am working with 32 channel serial midi box. What I'm having trouble visualizing is the 64 channel universe. Do I need a piece of hardware for this? I'm assuming that this means you have 2 midi ins and outs. (16 channels each) Each midi cable has 16 channels. So in a hardware only situation, you would need a midi interface with 4 ports to be able to have 64 channels of separate midi available (four cables 16 channels each going to whatever devices) However.. With softsynth systems this would be software driven I would've thought. If this is the case all I need my keyboard for is to hear my noodling and punching in notes to the score -- i.e. a basic serial card. That's right. If you only have your keyboard, you only need a 1X1 midi interface the rest will take place in the machine. And that depends on which softsynth or softwampler you are using. Different ones act differently. The softsampler that I use the most (Mach5) has 16 channels of midi per instance. Instances are like having multiple devices (ex. In outboard speak I may own 2 JV-1080's...in softsynth speak I have 2 instances of the JV-1080) This is where you start to get into the need for RAM and Processor power. In the example above, to have 64 midi channels going, I would have four instances of my softsampler open where each instance has 16 channels available. GPO I believe has 8 players per instance. (Think of the players as channels.) So to have all 64 channels in Finale filled up with GPO players, you would have to have 8 instances of GPO open with 8 players (channels) per instance. (Finale's maximum is 64 channelsso as you can see, another midi channel limiting factor is your sequencer. In this case I am considering Finale the sequencer.) If I got the basic serial card and just plug in my system as it is I should be up and away no? You could do it this way. But I would suggest getting an inexpensive USB midi interface. Check out the Edirol UM-1X. It is an all in one 1X1 interface. (cables, interface and usb connector are all one piece) It'll cost you around $50.00. Best, Karen -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Suspiciously low price CDs on Amazon (legal position?)
Forgive the extremely off-topic post, but I thought some folk here might know more about this than I do. I was surfing Amazon.co.uk and came across huge number of CDs at bizarrely low price. For example, the complete Bach Cantatas for 78 pence (UK), and Miles Daves Live at the plugged Nickel (CD box set) for 66 pence. Shipping was standard. These are all done through the Amazon Marketplace (where Amazon provides the facility to buy from a third party. The third party in this case is discoweb), and are all new CDs. Now, I'm sure it must be a mistake- no-one in their right mind would sell this stuff at that price, but I ordered it and I got a receipt for exactly those prices (about £6 including shipping for these 2 plus the complete Webern). Does anyone know what the legal positions are in something like this? I would have thought that the worst that could happen would be they realise a mistake and cancel the sale. Is there any way they could charge me something closer to the standard retail price, if the sale has in fact gone through at the lower price? Cheers, C. _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Font Annotation transfer
I am using TypeTool to create my own custum music fonts, and I would like to know if there is a way to transfer a font annotation from one font to another. Sometimes when a project requires special characters I create or transfer them into my custum music font, renaming it to something else not to create compatibility problems with old Finale files. Everytime I do this I have to start a new font annotation from scratch because I don't know of any way to transfer the original font annotation in the new font. It means I have to drag the four lines surrounding every symbol one at a time for each of the two hundreds and something symbols in the font, which is a PITA and a waste of time. If anybody has found a workaround for that, I would really like to know it so I could spend time engraving music instead of clicking and dragging lines around musical symbols. Thank you, Éric Dussault___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] SLOWWWWWWW Finale
A few weeks ago I upgraded to Finale 5. After opening the program (usually in about 10 minutes) it slows dramatically, by a factor of 10 or so. It doesnt make any difference whether Im performing an operation or the program is sitting idle, it still slows down to a crawl, taking ten minutes to simple save and close the program. I usually opt to simple turn off the computer and re-boot. There are noother programs running. I dont have this problem with any of my other "high-end", memory -intensive programs. I did not have this problem with Finale 4. Any suggestions? Gene Eggleston [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
