Re: [Finale] Underscore
Hola, Dragos, The solution is not to use the underscore sign at all. Instead use the letter I (that´s an capital i) with Engraver font or a b in Tocatta font. My procedure is first to enter a bogus character like # everytime I need an undertie. At the end I pass a little FinaleScript script to replace all the instances of # with the undertie sign. Then I re-space the music. Look at the script below. (You can paste it into a new one). //Search for the sign # in all the lyrics and replace it with the undertie Search lyrics # replace I [EngraverFontSet] 20 plain //End of script! Is rather amazing that Finale provides no help for something that is needed in almost every vocal piece in Spanish, French, Italian and, probably, Romanian. Saludos, Javier. In Finale 2006 in lyrics when I write character underscore (Shift + -) Finale move to other syllable (note). Why? I want to write 2 syllable attach to same note. Thanks, Dragos ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinWin 2006 Measure numbering bugs?
I'm experiencing this annoying behaviours in Finale 2006 (Windows XP P4 2GHz): By default, new files include one defined region (from m. 1 to 999). I've selected to display defined measure numbers at Program Options - View, and in past versions it always worked fine, displaying a combination of two numbers (A:B) showing region and number, or a single number with a # sign, when there was no region definition for that measure. In WinFin2006, instead, when I define a second region (or more), then every measure number displays with the # in front. I can navigate into a desired measure typing in A:B combination, but the display is still the same (#A way) Besides, it's been a great idea for sure to have the chance not to include some measures in the numbering system in a region (Measure Attributes - Include in Measure Numbering check box), but, why can't this be set for a whole selected region? If you have several cadenza (or similar) measure you want to hide from numbering (that's my case), you have to select each, right-click, select Edit Measure Attributes, and click the appropriate check box, for every single measure I hope someone could replicate these behaviours and confirm these are new bugs. Rafael Junchaya ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Underscore
Javier, This is way cool! You should forward this over to Jari to put on his productivity tips site. I may just have to implement this... Thanks for sharing! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Javier Ruiz Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 3:34 AM To: finale@SHSU.EDU Subject: Re: [Finale] Underscore Hola, Dragos, The solution is not to use the underscore sign at all. Instead use the letter I (that´s an capital i) with Engraver font or a b in Tocatta font. My procedure is first to enter a bogus character like # everytime I need an undertie. At the end I pass a little FinaleScript script to replace all the instances of # with the undertie sign. Then I re-space the music. Look at the script below. (You can paste it into a new one). //Search for the sign # in all the lyrics and replace it with the undertie Search lyrics # replace I [EngraverFontSet] 20 plain //End of script! Is rather amazing that Finale provides no help for something that is needed in almost every vocal piece in Spanish, French, Italian and, probably, Romanian. Saludos, Javier. In Finale 2006 in lyrics when I write character underscore (Shift + -) Finale move to other syllable (note). Why? I want to write 2 syllable attach to same note. Thanks, Dragos ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Smartmusic Soundfont latency
Since upgrading to Finale 2k6, I'm getting some serious MIDI latency issues with the smartmusic soundfont that I wasn't getting on Fin2k5. I use the Soundfont alongside Gigastudio (with which there is no auduble latency whatsoever). I also replace the installed soundfont with a better one of my own (which is also bigger in size). This always worked fine in Fin2k5, and there was very little latency. But since upgrading, the soundfont sounds between 0.25 and 0.5 secs later, and so is utterly unuseable, unless I can find a fix. Anyone else come across these problems? I doubt very much that it is my computer, as it's a fairly powerful machine, and I haven't had latency issues with any of the other audio software I use. C. _ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin 2006 Measure numbering bugs?
At 10:05 AM 09/13/2005, Rafael L. Junchaya wrote: numbers (A:B) showing region and number, or a single number with a # sign, when there was no region definition for that measure. In WinFin2006, instead, when I define a second region (or more), then every measure number displays with the # in front. Yes, I can confirm that this happens -- though not consistently. For example, I have one document set up with measure regions A1-A50, B1-B50, etc., and those measure numbers show up correctly. I opened up a new doc, defined a second measure region to start at m.5, and did observe the behavior you described -- but then as I scrolled through the document, Finale reverted to just showing the number without the #. At any rate, there is a bug in here somewhere; please write to Winsupport. (For anyone reading this, we're talking about display in Scroll View, in the measure number box at the bottom of the screen. The actual measure numbers in the score show up fine.) Besides, it's been a great idea for sure to have the chance not to include some measures in the numbering system in a region (Measure Attributes - Include in Measure Numbering check box), but, why can't this be set for a whole selected region? It can, at least for me. Select the Measure Tool, select several measures, double-click on the selected measures (or right-click, Edit Measure Attributes), and set the Include in Measure Numbering box appropriately. For me, the first click changed the checkbox to grayed, and the second click cleared it. This is a small bug, but not a terrible one. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smartmusic Soundfont latency
At 11:35 AM 09/13/2005, Colin Broom wrote: But since upgrading, the soundfont sounds between 0.25 and 0.5 secs later, and so is utterly unuseable, unless I can find a fix. Anyone else come across these problems? I had something similar happen to me in Fin2004. I solved it by going to MIDI | MIDI Setup, then SoftSynth Settings, and making sure that Output Source was set to Primary Sound Driver. I have no idea if this is related to your issue, but it couldn't hurt to check. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinWin 2006 Measure numbering bugs?
Ok, Aaron, that's right (it's my XP skin that doesn't show greyed check boxes!!) I'll write to Winsupport to report these bugs (I'll try to find out more cases as you have described) Rafael Junchaya At any rate, there is a bug in here somewhere; please write to Winsupport. It can, at least for me. Select the Measure Tool, select several measures, double-click on the selected measures (or right-click, Edit Measure Attributes), and set the Include in Measure Numbering box appropriately. For me, the first click changed the checkbox to grayed, and the second click cleared it. This is a small bug, but not a terrible one. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 + Tiger - Scroll/Page view shortcut broken
Tiger has that command assigned eslewhere. Here is the fix System Preferences Keyboard and Mouse Keyboard Shortcuts Keyboard Navigation uncheck move focus to the window drawer -Carolyn On 9/13/05, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As far as I know, this is a 10.4-related problem: in Finale 2005, the keyboard shortcut to switch from Page View to Scroll view (cmd-opt-`) no longer works. The View menu flashes but nothing happens. Anyone else seeing this? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
Thanks, Allen. I am preparing +600 examples for a book and I am using FinaleScript all the time. I changed the default font, erased the copyright notice, changed fonts and increased the lyrics size in one pass the other day. Such a script takes 36 minutes to complete with 610 files. It is good moment to do the dishes! Now if FinaleScript could change the paper size in the Page Setup menu... Javier, This is way cool! You should forward this over to Jari to put on his productivity tips site. I may just have to implement this... Thanks for sharing! Allen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: FinMac2005 + Tiger - Scroll/Page view shortcut broken
Yeah, it's a Tiger issue. The new key-stroke is cmd-E in 2006. I'm still not used to it. Ryan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
This is pretty interesting: http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/ Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
On Sep 13, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote: Now if FinaleScript could change the paper size in the Page Setup menu... Yes, I just noticed this again (FinMac 2005, OS 10.3.9) I have been switching back and forth, trying out the capabilities of my new (well, second-hand, really) HP 5100 printer to print 2-up on one sheet of large paper, and I tried to set the Page Setup so that it was Tabloid size and Landscape orientation, then saving it as the default. I was only partially successful. A few pages printed correctly, then suddenly the computer decided to default to the OLD page setup (US letter and portrait.) I had to check the Page Setup manually for EVERY page I printed! Every one I checked was correct, but as soon as I DIDN'T check one, it printed with the OLD default! Wacky or what? Then when I tried to revert back to US Letter and Portrait and save THAT as the default, it appeared to work, until I inadvertently created a PDF that used the 11x17 landscape setting when I didn't want it to. Crap! How did it remember that setting, especially after I had EXPRESSLY saved the original default? FWIW, I had NO problem defining the OTHER printer to be the default printer, nor getting it to default to 2-up, nor getting it to feed the paper from the correct tray. It was only in the Page Setup dialogue box that I couldn't get it to work by default. I can see this taking a whole lot of mouse clicks if I can't work it out. Anyone have any insights? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
On 9/13/05, Javier Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now if FinaleScript could change the paper size in the Page Setup menu... There's no way to actually *change settings* via FinaleScript, but this ingenious script (provided by Karen Guthery) makes the process a lot easier: //process all open docs batch process folder execute menu item page setup //print save //you can insert 'save append *' or similar here if you want to keep the original documents intact close Effectively, it opens the Page Setup dialog for every item in a folder in turn (or every open doc, if you change the commenting), so all you have to do is modify the page size. This is much better than opening every file individually, invoking the Page Setup dialog manually, and changing page size. There's still a manual step involved, but it cuts out a lot of the tedium involved in changing the page size for a batch of already-created documents. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
Chris, Does this have anything to do with the fact that Finale wants to use the page setup of the default file you are using at the moment? Don't know if this is part of the issue, but I'm just reminding you of this in case, like me, your memory is good for modeling Emmenthaler cheese. Chuck On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 13, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote: Now if FinaleScript could change the paper size in the Page Setup menu... Yes, I just noticed this again (FinMac 2005, OS 10.3.9) I have been switching back and forth, trying out the capabilities of my new (well, second-hand, really) HP 5100 printer to print 2-up on one sheet of large paper, and I tried to set the Page Setup so that it was Tabloid size and Landscape orientation, then saving it as the default. I was only partially successful. A few pages printed correctly, then suddenly the computer decided to default to the OLD page setup (US letter and portrait.) I had to check the Page Setup manually for EVERY page I printed! Every one I checked was correct, but as soon as I DIDN'T check one, it printed with the OLD default! Wacky or what? Then when I tried to revert back to US Letter and Portrait and save THAT as the default, it appeared to work, until I inadvertently created a PDF that used the 11x17 landscape setting when I didn't want it to. Crap! How did it remember that setting, especially after I had EXPRESSLY saved the original default? FWIW, I had NO problem defining the OTHER printer to be the default printer, nor getting it to default to 2-up, nor getting it to feed the paper from the correct tray. It was only in the Page Setup dialogue box that I couldn't get it to work by default. I can see this taking a whole lot of mouse clicks if I can't work it out. Anyone have any insights? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: FinMac2005 + Tiger - Scroll/Page view shortcut broken
On 13 Sep 2005 at 9:48, Ryan Beard wrote: Yeah, it's a Tiger issue. The new key-stroke is cmd-E in 2006. I'm still not used to it. Well, there's one advantage to that -- it's consistent with the Windows version of Finale, which has always used Ctrl-E to switch views. Obviously, that's of no use to you if you never use Windows, but for the good of Finale as a cross-platform product, I think it's an improvement. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
On 13 Sep 2005 at 13:35, Phil Daley wrote: This is pretty interesting: http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/ The concept is interesting, but the definitions of style being used by the generator are pretty wide of the mark, seems to me. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
On Sep 13, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Chris, Does this have anything to do with the fact that Finale wants to use the page setup of the default file you are using at the moment? Don't know if this is part of the issue, but I'm just reminding you of this in case, like me, your memory is good for modeling Emmenthaler cheese. Heh, heh, yes my memory has holes at times! But the odd thing is, I was able to get to work for a short time. Then it stopped remembering, only to start remembering later when I didn't want it to. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
Nope. This isn't the issue. The request is to be able to use a finalescript to change the page setup on a bunch of files... On 9/13/05 5:02 PM, Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] said this: Chris, Does this have anything to do with the fact that Finale wants to use the page setup of the default file you are using at the moment? Don't know if this is part of the issue, but I'm just reminding you of this in case, like me, your memory is good for modeling Emmenthaler cheese. Chuck On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 13, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote: Now if FinaleScript could change the paper size in the Page Setup menu... Yes, I just noticed this again (FinMac 2005, OS 10.3.9) I have been switching back and forth, trying out the capabilities of my new (well, second-hand, really) HP 5100 printer to print 2-up on one sheet of large paper, and I tried to set the Page Setup so that it was Tabloid size and Landscape orientation, then saving it as the default. I was only partially successful. A few pages printed correctly, then suddenly the computer decided to default to the OLD page setup (US letter and portrait.) I had to check the Page Setup manually for EVERY page I printed! Every one I checked was correct, but as soon as I DIDN'T check one, it printed with the OLD default! Wacky or what? Then when I tried to revert back to US Letter and Portrait and save THAT as the default, it appeared to work, until I inadvertently created a PDF that used the 11x17 landscape setting when I didn't want it to. Crap! How did it remember that setting, especially after I had EXPRESSLY saved the original default? FWIW, I had NO problem defining the OTHER printer to be the default printer, nor getting it to default to 2-up, nor getting it to feed the paper from the correct tray. It was only in the Page Setup dialogue box that I couldn't get it to work by default. I can see this taking a whole lot of mouse clicks if I can't work it out. Anyone have any insights? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Phil Daley wrote: This is pretty interesting: http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/ Hmm, I have to agree with David that the styles are pretty wide of the mark. I know enough (not very much, but enough) about algorithmic composition to know that there are many more parameters that can be controlled to give some better results harmonically and melodically, and to give better rhythmic cohesiveness. Even the MIBAC plugin in Finale creates a reasonable facsimile of jazz rhythm section parts, and Band-In-A-Box, as limited as it is, beats the heck out of these styles in terms of idiom and comprehensibility. And what is experimental anyway? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
On 13 Sep 2005 at 17:27, Javier Ruiz wrote: I am preparing +600 examples for a book and I am using FinaleScript all the time. I changed the default font, erased the copyright notice, changed fonts and increased the lyrics size in one pass the other day. Such a script takes 36 minutes to complete with 610 files. It is good moment to do the dishes! Now if FinaleScript could change the paper size in the Page Setup menu... I thought you were going to say: Now, if only FinaleScript could do the dishes. :) -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Underscore
Allen, I think you misunderstood. I have been trying to get the Page Setup dialogue to REMEMBER what the default page setup is. It doesn't seem to be connected to Finale, though it is in Finale that I most often have to do it. This seems to be a Mac OS issue. Go into any Mac app that has the Page Setup dialogue box, and the first item, Settings, has a Save as Default command. Invoking this seems not to stick the way that one expects. Sometimes it sticks, sometimes it doesn't. Back to Finale now. But most often, if you have EVER gone to Page Setup in your score and clicked on something, THIS gets passed on to all the extracted parts. If you can possibly restrain yourself from ever opening up that dialogue box in your score UNTIL you have extracted parts, then your extracted parts seem to inherit the default setting. I sometimes print out a draft of my score before I extract the parts. My scores are often on larger paper. When I set the Page Setup dialogue box in the score, I have to CLOSE the score without saving so that it doesn't remember the settings. A Finalescript solution is a workaround to the basic OS problem. Christopher On Sep 13, 2005, at 6:33 PM, Fisher, Allen wrote: Nope. This isn't the issue. The request is to be able to use a finalescript to change the page setup on a bunch of files... On 9/13/05 5:02 PM, Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] said this: Chris, Does this have anything to do with the fact that Finale wants to use the page setup of the default file you are using at the moment? Don't know if this is part of the issue, but I'm just reminding you of this in case, like me, your memory is good for modeling Emmenthaler cheese. Chuck On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 13, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote: Now if FinaleScript could change the paper size in the Page Setup menu... Yes, I just noticed this again (FinMac 2005, OS 10.3.9) I have been switching back and forth, trying out the capabilities of my new (well, second-hand, really) HP 5100 printer to print 2-up on one sheet of large paper, and I tried to set the Page Setup so that it was Tabloid size and Landscape orientation, then saving it as the default. I was only partially successful. A few pages printed correctly, then suddenly the computer decided to default to the OLD page setup (US letter and portrait.) I had to check the Page Setup manually for EVERY page I printed! Every one I checked was correct, but as soon as I DIDN'T check one, it printed with the OLD default! Wacky or what? Then when I tried to revert back to US Letter and Portrait and save THAT as the default, it appeared to work, until I inadvertently created a PDF that used the 11x17 landscape setting when I didn't want it to. Crap! How did it remember that setting, especially after I had EXPRESSLY saved the original default? FWIW, I had NO problem defining the OTHER printer to be the default printer, nor getting it to default to 2-up, nor getting it to feed the paper from the correct tray. It was only in the Page Setup dialogue box that I couldn't get it to work by default. I can see this taking a whole lot of mouse clicks if I can't work it out. Anyone have any insights? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
On Sep 13, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Phil Daley wrote: This is pretty interesting: http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/ Hmm, I have to agree with David that the styles are pretty wide of the mark. I know enough (not very much, but enough) about algorithmic composition to know that there are many more parameters that can be controlled to give some better results harmonically and melodically, and to give better rhythmic cohesiveness. Even the MIBAC plugin in Finale creates a reasonable facsimile of jazz rhythm section parts, and Band-In-A-Box, as limited as it is, beats the heck out of these styles in terms of idiom and comprehensibility. The music in the Band-In-a Box is programmed by Miles Black, a fellow Canadian, and a guy who has more than a clue about jazz, and a lot of other things - a brilliant and terrific guy. Also, my impression is that there is an order of magnitude fewer choices (variables) when one is limited to producing only an accompanying part. Things seem to get more problematic as more attention is needed on the surface' of the music, and programmed, mechanical, spontaneity falls short of resembling human expression, at least so far, in my experience. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: FinMac2005 + Tiger - Scroll/Page view shortcut broken
David, I have no problem with the new Fin2006 shortcut, which is actually much more convenient than the old one. I was just curious why the Fin2005 shortcut was no longer working. (I still have to use Fin2005 for some projects.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Sep 2005, at 6:19 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 13 Sep 2005 at 9:48, Ryan Beard wrote: Yeah, it's a Tiger issue. The new key-stroke is cmd-E in 2006. I'm still not used to it. Well, there's one advantage to that -- it's consistent with the Windows version of Finale, which has always used Ctrl-E to switch views. Obviously, that's of no use to you if you never use Windows, but for the good of Finale as a cross-platform product, I think it's an improvement. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
Chuck Israels wrote: On Sep 13, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Phil Daley wrote: This is pretty interesting: http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/ Hmm, I have to agree with David that the styles are pretty wide of the mark. I know enough (not very much, but enough) about algorithmic composition to know that there are many more parameters that can be controlled to give some better results harmonically and melodically, and to give better rhythmic cohesiveness. Even the MIBAC plugin in Finale creates a reasonable facsimile of jazz rhythm section parts, and Band-In-A-Box, as limited as it is, beats the heck out of these styles in terms of idiom and comprehensibility. The music in the Band-In-a Box is programmed by Miles Black, a fellow Canadian, and a guy who has more than a clue about jazz, and a lot of other things - a brilliant and terrific guy. Also, my impression is that there is an order of magnitude fewer choices (variables) when one is limited to producing only an accompanying part. Things seem to get more problematic as more attention is needed on the surface' of the music, and programmed, mechanical, spontaneity falls short of resembling human expression, at least so far, in my experience. Miles has done a terrific job. And so has Peter Gannon, head of PGMusic. BIAB now includes a melody writing feature -- it'll come up with an entire song, chord progression, melody, title and all, just with a couple of mouse clicks (select the style, click MELODY) and voila! Much better music, completely created by the computer, than on the wolfram web-site. However, you do have to purchase BIAB and the wolfram web-site is free of charge. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:26 PM, dhbailey wrote:Miles has done a terrific job. And so has Peter Gannon, head of PGMusic.BIAB now includes a melody writing feature -- it'll come up with an entire song, chord progression, melody, title and all, just with a couple of mouse clicks (select the style, click MELODY) and voila!Much better music, completely created by the computer, than on the wolfram web-site.However, you do have to purchase BIAB and the wolfram web-site is free of charge. :-)At least you know your dollars are going to good people who have taken the trouble to learn a lot and do a good job. That's satisfying to me.I'm glad others here recognize what I think is a pretty informed and well conceived product, even though it's one for which I have no personal use.I imagine it helps a lot of folks.Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
On 13 Sep 2005 at 15:53, Chuck Israels wrote: Also, my impression is that there is an order of magnitude fewer choices (variables) when one is limited to producing only an accompanying part. Things seem to get more problematic as more attention is needed on the surface' of the music, and programmed, mechanical, spontaneity falls short of resembling human expression, at least so far, in my experience. But I think that's precisely what's wrong with the Wolfram algorithm -- it entirely fails to account for the differences in styles in regard to melody and accompaniment. Because it seems to be generating everything at once, it's more polyphonic in its results than almost all of the styles typically should be. For most styles, it ought to compose a melody line first and then create an accompaniment for it, whereas it sounds to me like in all the styles it's pretty much randomly choosing all the parts simultaneously, with a very small number of parameters specific to each style (certain rhythms and instruments seem to be associated with particular styles). That seems to me to be the reason why the results are so completely underwhelming. Indeed, they all sound rather the same to me, and some of the results from one style sound more like one of the other styles (though that's not always the case). The folks who wrote the algorithm seem to me not to know enough about musical style(s) to be able to design something that will produce reasonable results. They seem to go more for variety and near randomness and ignore harmony almost exclusively, instead of recognizing that music in a particular style is very *conventional* rather than random. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Composition for the non-musical
David, You and I are not in disagreement here. Chuck On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 13 Sep 2005 at 15:53, Chuck Israels wrote: Also, my impression is that there is an order of magnitude fewer choices (variables) when one is limited to producing only an accompanying part. Things seem to get more problematic as more attention is needed on the surface' of the music, and programmed, mechanical, spontaneity falls short of resembling human expression, at least so far, in my experience. But I think that's precisely what's wrong with the Wolfram algorithm -- it entirely fails to account for the differences in styles in regard to melody and accompaniment. Because it seems to be generating everything at once, it's more polyphonic in its results than almost all of the styles typically should be. For most styles, it ought to compose a melody line first and then create an accompaniment for it, whereas it sounds to me like in all the styles it's pretty much randomly choosing all the parts simultaneously, with a very small number of parameters specific to each style (certain rhythms and instruments seem to be associated with particular styles). That seems to me to be the reason why the results are so completely underwhelming. Indeed, they all sound rather the same to me, and some of the results from one style sound more like one of the other styles (though that's not always the case). The folks who wrote the algorithm seem to me not to know enough about musical style(s) to be able to design something that will produce reasonable results. They seem to go more for variety and near randomness and ignore harmony almost exclusively, instead of recognizing that music in a particular style is very *conventional* rather than random. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Screen redraws when editing lyrics?
Okay, I'm not sure how upgrading to 10.4 would affect this, but I'm 100% certain this never happened to me in 10.3. In FinMac2005, whenever I make a change in the Edit Lyrics box, the entire screen redraws, after every character I type. This is even when no lyrics have been assigned to the score yet. Anyone else seeing this with Fin2005 and 10.4? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
