Re: [Finale] Blue theme

2006-11-02 Thread Cecil Rigby
Dennis, have you checked  http://www.adtunes.com/  ?
if not, see 
http://adtunes.com/forums/index.php?s=a9ae81a07be900252a9aafb39786a3ca&showtopic=3679&st=0&#entry19366

if that's not the one you're looking for you might try posting your question in 
the newsgroup 
alt.binaries.sounds.tv-commercials 

the following info was found in a list at   
http://commercial.wavethemes.net/magister_ludi_list.txt

American Express 'Tiger Woods' - Moby - Find My Baby
American Express 'Blue Card' - Fear Factory - Cars
American Express 'Blue Music' - Sugar Ray - When It's Over
American Express - Blue Flexible (Ad)

C Rigby
rigrax at earthlink.net

On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Is there an online directory of television and commercial theme  
> music? My
> searches always dead-end.
>
> I've been wondering for some time if the tango-like theme for the  
> American
> Express Blue commercials is a 'real' piece of composed for the  
> commercial.
> If it's a 'real' piece, is it used anywhere else? I've found the ad  
> agency
> site (Ogilvy) but it doesn't say.
>
> Dennis
>
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Re: [Finale] Blue theme

2006-11-02 Thread Chuck Israels

Hi Dennis,

I haven't heard this, but I will keep my ears open.  There should be  
enough of us on this list so that someone might stumble across the ad  
and either know the piece or be able to offer an educated opinion on  
its origin.


Chuck

BTW, I sent the post from that Italian composer who had lost her  
copyist to my engraver friend in Vancouver, Greg Hamilton (I like his  
work a lot), who seems to have landed some work from her as a  
result.  Nice resource this list, and it was fun to be able to  
connect people through it.



On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:


Hi all,

Is there an online directory of television and commercial theme  
music? My

searches always dead-end.

I've been wondering for some time if the tango-like theme for the  
American
Express Blue commercials is a 'real' piece of composed for the  
commercial.
If it's a 'real' piece, is it used anywhere else? I've found the ad  
agency

site (Ogilvy) but it doesn't say.

Dennis







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[Finale] Blue theme

2006-11-02 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Hi all,

Is there an online directory of television and commercial theme music? My
searches always dead-end.

I've been wondering for some time if the tango-like theme for the American
Express Blue commercials is a 'real' piece of composed for the commercial.
If it's a 'real' piece, is it used anywhere else? I've found the ad agency
site (Ogilvy) but it doesn't say.

Dennis







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Re: [Finale] OT Spoonerisms [was: Finale eggcorns]

2006-11-02 Thread Giz Bowe

At 04:21 PM 10/17/2006 +0100, you wrote:
A Spoonerism is a play on words in which corresponding consonants or 
vowels are switched (see metathesis), named after the Reverend William

Archibald Spooner (1844­1930), Warden of New College, Oxford, who was
notoriously prone to this tendency.


Shouldn't that be "oonerspisms" ?



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Re: [Finale] Hyperscribe - - annoying latency

2006-11-02 Thread James Gilbert
Slightly off the current thread, but my two cents on the subject.

I'm finding that with Finale2007 (windows) that hyperscribe is far more
sensitive than it was with previous versions. Playing in the same exact
piece, as close to exactly as I did before, results in nothing more than a
mess on the screen. Frequently the downbeats are off by a 1/16 and even
when I hold the note down the full value, I end up with a much shorter
value than I intended. I'm using an external keyboard for playback and
entry, so I don't think latency is the issue.

I also find in speedy entry when step entering music (using the caps lock
option to input the same note values) I get inconsistent results when
playing chords. Instead of the 3 notes showing up on one beat, I get two
on one and one on the other, even when playing all 3 notes precisely at
the same time. I never had this problem with previous versions of Finale.

On a side note, I do find it interesting that when I load in a MIDI file
into Band in A Box or PG PowerTracks, the notation display is, 99% of the
time, just like a performer would want to see it. On the other hand,
loading in the same file into Finale, no matter what type of tweaking I do
with quantization settings, I rarely get what a performer would need to
see and it almost always requires substantial editing.

James Gilbert
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Re: [Finale] Finale file size

2006-11-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer

On 02.11.2006 dc wrote:

In which case you can also do a "Data check" on the files.


Wasn't the ability to check for duplicates in the shapes added after 
2k2? I am also not sure whether this really works for shapes which were 
duplicated by using metatools, but I haven't tried this.


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Re: [Finale] Hyperscribe - - annoying latency

2006-11-02 Thread dhbailey

Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Finale] Hyperscribe - - annoying latency
I was wondering how I can keep Hyperscribe from putting an  annoying 
latency

into the recording off a keyboard.
Even when I record quarter notes, it puts a sixteenth note before each 
one.
In other words, all the note events are moved over  exactly 1/4 of a 
beat too

late.
So far, I can't figure out how to prevent this latency.
Is there a way to easily correct the mistakes it put in after it's been
recorded? Or do I have to hand edit every  single measure? In other 
words, how do I

move the notes over 1/4 beat to the  left in one mass edit operation?


Gosh, am I glad you asked this question! I've had this problem for years 
and it is only when I have the "tap" really slo-o-o-ow and LOUD, and 
take time to hit each note exactly where it should fall beatwise, that 
anything comes out looking remotely the way I intended it. Can't wait to 
hear the answer to your question...this is just a "me too" post.

Thurletta Brown-Gavins


Well there's a huge difference between latency and rhythmic accuracy. 
What Thurletta is describing sounds to me like what I experience when 
I'm not careful in how I set the quantization.  It is important that you 
tell the program (any program, actually, if you want notational 
accuracy, even sequencers) what the shortest note value you are 
attempting to play is.  And even with that, if you don't hold the midi 
key down for exactly one complete beat in 4/4 time, there's no way that 
the program can tell that you meant to play a quarter note, when you 
released the key closer to the 3rd 16th-note's place.  So the program 
has to decide which rhythmic subdivision you ended your note closest to 
and then it notates that.  So if you let the key up in the 3rd 
16th-note's place, the program will notate a dotted-8th-note followed by 
a 16th-rest unless you have told the program that the shortest note 
value you're playing is 8th-notes, in which case it will calculate that 
you released the note closer to the end of the second 8th-note's space 
and will notate a quarter-note.  The shorter the note values you tell 
the program you're trying to enter, the more difficult the rhythmic 
accuracy becomes for the program to calculate.  Listening, we determine 
the rhythms we hear by where the notes begin, and not so much by where 
each note ends but the program can't think like that.  It can only work 
with the two pieces of rhythmic data it receives for each note you play: 
 where the note begins and where it ends, so unless you end it exactly 
perfectly the program will notate exactly what you played rather than 
what you intended to play.  ThoughtNotator(tm) hasn't been invented yet, 
but I'm sure the marketing department at MakeMusic is working hard on 
the Finale developers to figure something out that they can make a big 
splash out of for Finale2008.


That's a very different problem from what Bill describes, where every 
note is appearing  a 16th-note late.



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Re: [Finale] Hyperscribe - - annoying latency

2006-11-02 Thread Thurletta Brown-Gavins

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Finale] Hyperscribe - - annoying latency
I was wondering how I can keep Hyperscribe from putting an  annoying  
latency

into the recording off a keyboard.
Even when I record quarter notes, it puts a sixteenth note before each  
one.
In other words, all the note events are moved over  exactly 1/4 of a  
beat too

late.
So far, I can't figure out how to prevent this latency.
Is there a way to easily correct the mistakes it put in after it's been
recorded? Or do I have to hand edit every  single measure? In other  
words, how do I

move the notes over 1/4 beat to the  left in one mass edit operation?


Gosh, am I glad you asked this question! I've had this problem for years  
and it is only when I have the "tap" really slo-o-o-ow and LOUD, and take  
time to hit each note exactly where it should fall beatwise, that anything  
comes out looking remotely the way I intended it. Can't wait to hear the  
answer to your question...this is just a "me too" post.

Thurletta Brown-Gavins


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Re: [Finale] Finale file size

2006-11-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer

On 02.11.2006 Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

What was surprising was the difference in file size:  the ones I started with a 
empty document were 20 - 25 K in size, about 1/5th the size of the ones I 
imported!  Getting rid of all of th expressions and articulations from the 
libraries, and extraneous text blocks only reduced the size of the imported 
files by a few K.


Asside from the MIDI Data, it is possible that you still have numerous 
shapes stored in the documents, which do not get deleted when you delete 
the expressions or articulations that use them. In my experience these 
waste a lot of space.


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Re: [Finale] Finale file size

2006-11-02 Thread dhbailey

Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

Friends:

Given a couple of ~.MID files of hymns, and a several scores of others.  
I was asked to create files the _tunes_ (not lyrics), compatible with 
2k.  All were about the same length 10 to 20 measures in length.  The 
ones I had scores of, I entered, starting with a document without 
libraries, adding staves and the notes, and five text blocks each.  The 
ones where I was supplied ~.MID files, I imported into Finale.


What was surprising was the difference in file size:  the ones I started 
with a empty document were 20 - 25 K in size, about 1/5th the size of 
the ones I imported!  Getting rid of all of th expressions and 
articulations from the libraries, and extraneous text blocks only 
reduced the size of the imported files by a few K.


Amazed me.



It doesn't surprise me -- the ones with the midi data imported contained 
much more data than the ones you entered from scratch.  All the midi 
data from an imported file is stored in the Finale file -- that's why 
there are options in the playback options to have Finale ignore recorded 
data.


Any midi data which Finale generates for playback is generated each time 
and then discarded, so it isn't stored with the file.


Now, I'm sure that the midi files for the hymns were nowhere near the 
difference in file size, but I suspect that Finale has to create new 
data structures to accomodate the midi data and to link it to specific 
measures and entries onscreen, which would entail adding data for the links.


But isn't it curious that we're discussing files of this relatively 
small size when it wasn't too many versions ago that Finale files were 
HUGE even if there were only a couple of entries and no imported midi 
data.  Shows how far the program has come, I think.




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[Finale] Finale file size

2006-11-02 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Friends:

Given a couple of ~.MID files of hymns, and a several scores of others.  
I was asked to create files the _tunes_ (not lyrics), compatible with 
2k.  All were about the same length 10 to 20 measures in length.  The 
ones I had scores of, I entered, starting with a document without 
libraries, adding staves and the notes, and five text blocks each.  The 
ones where I was supplied ~.MID files, I imported into Finale.


What was surprising was the difference in file size:  the ones I started 
with a empty document were 20 - 25 K in size, about 1/5th the size of 
the ones I imported!  Getting rid of all of th expressions and 
articulations from the libraries, and extraneous text blocks only 
reduced the size of the imported files by a few K.


Amazed me.

ns


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