Re: [Finale] Prepositions
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Well, Buffalo is generally meant to imply running one by some one; putting one over on; confounding one ... etc. Actually, my dictionary offers: verb ( -loes, -loed) [ trans. ] (often be buffaloed) informal overawe or intimidate (someone) : she didn't like being buffaloed. • baffle (someone) : the problem has buffaloed the advertising staff. Dean So if one is successfully buffaloed, you could say one has 'been had'? (just to keep the thread). :) cd On Jul 22, 2007, at 2:39 PM, keith helgesen wrote: What about eleven times "had"? I remember this from high school- (Yes- 60 years ago!) Two boys, John and James wrote an essay; John, where James had had 'had', had had 'had had'. "Had had" had had the teachers approval. Bizarre language we use, eh? BTW- I, not being from US and therefore not really familiar with the verb 'to buffalo' meaning (I think!) to thwart, found the buffalo sentence very odd. (World record for most prepositions at the end of a sentence, from a child protesting an Australian bedtime story: "Mommy, what did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?") A preposition poem: I lost a little preposition. It fell somewhere beneath my chair. I called aloud to it "perdition," Come on up out from down under there. My daughter brought it to her 3rd grade class, and was asked, for fun, to diagram the whole thing. David Froom Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Prepositions
On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:39 PM, keith helgesen wrote: What about eleven times "had"? I remember this from high school- (Yes- 60 years ago!) Two boys, John and James wrote an essay; John, where James had had 'had', had had 'had had'. "Had had" had had the teachers approval. Bizarre language we use, eh? BTW- I, not being from US and therefore not really familiar with the verb 'to buffalo' meaning (I think!) to thwart, found the buffalo sentence very odd. I'm Canadian born and bred, and I always understood "to buffalo" was to bully, or insist strongly on something. As in, "the boss wouldn't shut up at the meeting, he just kept buffaloing about expense reports." Must be a North American thing, since we are the ones who have (had) the buffalo. Although I haven't seen one up close since 1976, the US bison-tennial. (hee, hee!) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Prepositions
Well, Buffalo is generally meant to imply running one by some one; putting one over on; confounding one ... etc. Actually, my dictionary offers: verb ( -loes, -loed) [ trans. ] (often be buffaloed) informal overawe or intimidate (someone) : she didn't like being buffaloed. • baffle (someone) : the problem has buffaloed the advertising staff. Dean On Jul 22, 2007, at 2:39 PM, keith helgesen wrote: What about eleven times "had"? I remember this from high school- (Yes- 60 years ago!) Two boys, John and James wrote an essay; John, where James had had 'had', had had 'had had'. "Had had" had had the teachers approval. Bizarre language we use, eh? BTW- I, not being from US and therefore not really familiar with the verb 'to buffalo' meaning (I think!) to thwart, found the buffalo sentence very odd. Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Froom Sent: Monday, 23 July 2007 3:39 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Prepositions Importance: Low (World record for most prepositions at the end of a sentence, from a child protesting an Australian bedtime story: "Mommy, what did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?") A preposition poem: I lost a little preposition. It fell somewhere beneath my chair. I called aloud to it "perdition," Come on up out from down under there. My daughter brought it to her 3rd grade class, and was asked, for fun, to diagram the whole thing. David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injections? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Prepositions
What about eleven times "had"? I remember this from high school- (Yes- 60 years ago!) Two boys, John and James wrote an essay; John, where James had had 'had', had had 'had had'. "Had had" had had the teachers approval. Bizarre language we use, eh? BTW- I, not being from US and therefore not really familiar with the verb 'to buffalo' meaning (I think!) to thwart, found the buffalo sentence very odd. Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Froom Sent: Monday, 23 July 2007 3:39 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Prepositions Importance: Low > (World record for most prepositions at the end of a sentence, from a > child protesting an Australian bedtime story: "Mommy, what did you > bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down > Under up for?") A preposition poem: I lost a little preposition. It fell somewhere beneath my chair. I called aloud to it "perdition," Come on up out from down under there. My daughter brought it to her 3rd grade class, and was asked, for fun, to diagram the whole thing. David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] importing .tiff graphics with a transparent background
At 04:43 PM 7/22/2007 +, rob canning wrote: >http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/graphics/default.aspx >does the image on this page not imply that the background is transparent >the way the tree on the left is higher than the text on the right.. >of course i guess the text of the poem could be part of the image.. It looks that way. But you can select the text to make it appear on the top of the lower layer, then do a screen scrape. That's what this looks like, since it has the screen colors and the lyrics below the notes look like the default entry font. Just guessing. I tried every combination of entry, and the images always appear above everything else once the screen is redrawn -- at least in Finale 2007c. (Top/Forward/Backward/Bottom is really really needed.) Anyone else? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Improved Sonata font
Sorry, there is a typo below. NONE of the MM fonts do it for me. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Steve Schow > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:02 PM > To: 'finale@shsu.edu' > Subject: [Finale] Improved Sonata font > > I know this is old school, but I am just really still in love with the > Adobe Sonata font. of the standard ones from MM really do it for me. > Mostly I don't like the large noteheads, and petrucci is too small. Even > Maestro, which is supposed to be half way, is just a little bit too large > for me... I prefer Sonata. > > The problem with Sonata, as some of you know, is that its not a complete > font. its missing a number of symbols. > > Has anyone ever made an extended Sonata set that includes everything? Or > do people think perhaps I should just merge sonata and maestro together > and it will be close enough? > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Improved Sonata font
I know this is old school, but I am just really still in love with the Adobe Sonata font. one of the standard ones from MM really do it for me. Mostly I don't like the large noteheads, and petrucci is too small. Even Maestro, which is supposed to be half way, is just a little bit too large for me... I prefer Sonata. The problem with Sonata, as some of you know, is that its not a complete font. its missing a number of symbols. Has anyone ever made an extended Sonata set that includes everything? Or do people think perhaps I should just merge sonata and maestro together and it will be close enough? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
Try _dragging_ notes in the source measure with _Speedy_. The changes will be reflected in the ossia measure. But you're right, there should be a more direct way of doing this. Being able to drag a note in the ossia measure itself, for instance. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 22.07.2007, at 20:21, shirling & neueweise wrote: As far as I can remember from doing this a long time ago, the spacing in the _original_ measure determines the spacing in the ossia. Or have you already tried that? yes, i dragged the last beat chart point of the source measure far right and nothing changed in the ossia. i finally found a solution, although it isn't optimal. define the measure as a 2/4 measure so that you have the beat chart point for the beat after the figure (duration 1/4) in the original and you can widen or compress the positioning in the ossia measure. set the original measure to "space note evenly across measure" and only enter the notes form the figure, leaving the 2nd quarter empty. seems a bit silly, ther really should be a more intuitive way of doing this... anyways, i got it to work, more or less by accident. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Prepositions
Aaron Rabushka wrote: Can we take the Buffalo gals instead? Not sure. But at least we can ask if they can come out tonight. Robert Patterson wrote: Here is another sentence (not with prepositions) that is completely grammatically correct: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. There is a wikipedia article with a sentence diagram here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo The short version of parsing it is: [Those] (Buffalo buffalo) [that] (Buffalo buffalo buffalo) buffalo (Buffalo buffalo). I think you're just trying to buffalo us. :) -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Prepositions
Can we take the Buffalo gals instead? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: "Carl Dershem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Prepositions > Robert Patterson wrote: > > Here is another sentence (not with prepositions) that is completely > > grammatically correct: > > > > Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. > > > > There is a wikipedia article with a sentence diagram here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo > > > > The short version of parsing it is: > > > > [Those] (Buffalo buffalo) [that] (Buffalo buffalo buffalo) buffalo > > (Buffalo buffalo). > > I think you're just trying to buffalo us. :) > > cd > -- > http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# > http://members.cox.net/dershem > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Prepositions
Robert Patterson wrote: Here is another sentence (not with prepositions) that is completely grammatically correct: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. There is a wikipedia article with a sentence diagram here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo The short version of parsing it is: [Those] (Buffalo buffalo) [that] (Buffalo buffalo buffalo) buffalo (Buffalo buffalo). I think you're just trying to buffalo us. :) cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Prepositions
Here is another sentence (not with prepositions) that is completely grammatically correct: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. There is a wikipedia article with a sentence diagram here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo The short version of parsing it is: [Those] (Buffalo buffalo) [that] (Buffalo buffalo buffalo) buffalo (Buffalo buffalo). On 7/22/07, David Froom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (World record for most prepositions at the end of a sentence, from a > child protesting an Australian bedtime story: "Mommy, what did you > bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down > Under up for?") A preposition poem: I lost a little preposition. It fell somewhere beneath my chair. I called aloud to it "perdition," Come on up out from down under there. My daughter brought it to her 3rd grade class, and was asked, for fun, to diagram the whole thing. David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
As far as I can remember from doing this a long time ago, the spacing in the _original_ measure determines the spacing in the ossia. Or have you already tried that? yes, i dragged the last beat chart point of the source measure far right and nothing changed in the ossia. i finally found a solution, although it isn't optimal. define the measure as a 2/4 measure so that you have the beat chart point for the beat after the figure (duration 1/4) in the original and you can widen or compress the positioning in the ossia measure. set the original measure to "space note evenly across measure" and only enter the notes form the figure, leaving the 2nd quarter empty. seems a bit silly, ther really should be a more intuitive way of doing this... anyways, i got it to work, more or less by accident. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Prepositions
(World record for most prepositions at the end of a sentence, from a child protesting an Australian bedtime story: "Mommy, what did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?") A preposition poem: I lost a little preposition. It fell somewhere beneath my chair. I called aloud to it "perdition," Come on up out from down under there. My daughter brought it to her 3rd grade class, and was asked, for fun, to diagram the whole thing. David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
As far as I can remember from doing this a long time ago, the spacing in the _original_ measure determines the spacing in the ossia. Or have you already tried that? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 22.07.2007, at 19:06, shirling & neueweise wrote: what defines the note positioning within an ossia measure? i need to have an ossia as an explanation of how to play grace notes, so added a 1/4 measure at the end of the document, entered the notes and measure-assigned the ossia earlier in the piece. i can't get the ossia spacing to look right. i know i could export/import but that seems silly, when the ossia tool, i would think, really should be able to do this. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
what defines the note positioning within an ossia measure? i need to have an ossia as an explanation of how to play grace notes, so added a 1/4 measure at the end of the document, entered the notes and measure-assigned the ossia earlier in the piece. i can't get the ossia spacing to look right. i know i could export/import but that seems silly, when the ossia tool, i would think, really should be able to do this. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] importing .tiff graphics with a transparent background
shirling & neueweise wrote: I don't believe Finale respects transparency (the alpha channel) in TIFFs. Even many graphics programs don't. although there is a checkbox "allow transparency" in finale's own export dialogue... i also haven't found a solution; at some point i had a graphic with a white background, and was hoping that this would lead me to solving the problem, but i never figured out why it was white and the rest black. http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/graphics/default.aspx does the image on this page not imply that the background is transparent the way the tree on the left is higher than the text on the right.. of course i guess the text of the poem could be part of the image.. would love to find a solution for this as its a real blocker for me at the moment :( thanks, rob ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] time sigs and clefs grey but printing
On Jul 20, 2007, at 6:39 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote: very strange thing... in a file i am working on, the first time sigs and clefs appearing on the system have turned grey as if they were hidden elements, but show up in the same tone of grey in the PDF. this happens starting on the page where i had just inserted a measure (linked parts have alreayd been generated) and goes to the end of the file. i have already trashed the prefs, which seemed to resolve the problem, but then it reappeared as i changed view percentage. i continued to change the view percentage and sometimes the time sigs/ clefs would appear normal (maybe 10% of the time). removing staff styles on the inserted measure doesn't change anything, it seems that only deleting the measure fixes the problem. (staff styles are used quite extensively in the score) any ideas? the file was probably created with F2003, i can't remember exactly, but i'm pretty sure it would have been that version. here is the printout (m22 is the new measure): http://www.savefile.com/files/903200 jef, For what it's worth, the PDF you sent me of this piece (an earlier version, I think) had the same thing in measure 22, which is now your measure 25 in the linked file above. If THAT PDF was created in 2003, then the problem was already present. I'm sorry I don't have anything more to offer, but I have frequently come across file corruption in FinMac2007, more times than in all previous versions combined. In FinMac2007, inserting measures is frequently either a cause or a symptom. Perhaps your problem is related to this. Judging from recent problems I have had, keeping filenames below 31 characters (including .mus) can help prevent some corruption problems, but I doubt this would help you. There also seem to be corruption problems that crop up when opening earlier files in more recent versions of Finale (I know, this procedure is SUPPOSED to be transparent, but it isn't way too often.) Andrew Stiller keeps old versions of Finale around to avoid translation problems, and I do too now. Checking the file integrity does not help me, ever. I don't know what it does, but it has never done anything to any file of mine that helped me. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Morton Feldman quote
On Jul 22, 2007, at 8:33 AM, dc wrote: Christopher Smith écrit: (World record for most prepositions at the end of a sentence, from a child protesting an Australian bedtime story: "Mommy, what did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?") Only one preposition at the end, since "up" is an adverb here. Yeah, yeah, and Down Under is proper noun, but they COULD be prepositions, and it IS funny, isn't it? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Right Angled Text, Was: Sibelius
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I can make them work, I just can't position the character 90 degrees at the end of the arrow. Still working on it, since Barbara says it can be done. She's usually right. Ooohhh, Dennis... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
