Re: [Finale] Klezmer music question
On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Ruth H. Randle wrote: I have been given a handwritten piece of Klezmer music to transcribe, called Baym Rebn Sude. There are no chords, just a simple melody line. My problem is this: It has 1 sharp (F) and 2 flats (B and E)! I was told that a) it is a very simple piece, and b) the basic scale is D, Eb, F#, G, A, Bb, C and D. (However, there are some B naturals indicated). He said it was sort of in the key of D, maybe? Is there any way to set this up in Finale so the key signature is correct? I know nothing about Klezmer music, and I've never seen a key sig with sharps and flats together. I am using Finale 2005 for Windows. Any help will be greatly appreciated. A basic template would be even better, if someone knows how to do it. Hi Ruth. Christopher has the right answer. Use the Bb key signature with the F# where needed. One of the Klezmer books that I have is The Compleat Klezmer by Henry Sapoznik. He often uses that same notation. His version of Baym Rebin's Sude, however, is up a step in E Ahava Raba mode. There are 25 or so pages at the beginning of the book that supply some context and include a few pages that talk about the common modes and structure. It's a bit pricey, though at $20. Ahava Raba mode on D is kinda like D if adding a flat 2,6, and 7 retains any of the original major scale ;-) Common chords would be D, Gm and Cm. Good Luck Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
Will someone please explain- I words of one syllable please- what Mirroring actually is? In ten years of Finale I've never known- and certainly never used it. Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 5:46 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 20.09.2007 Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am having problems in 2k7 mirroring passages using the method to shift-option-click on the target measure. This doesn't work with mirroring, it seems, and I am now remembering there was a bug somewhere. Can someone tell me what the workaround was? Actually, it does work after all, only the items to copy dialog comes up, which is a little confusing, since I don't think it does anythign in this context. Johannes It's just ctrl-click on Windows (or is it shift-click?) to copy as you're trying to do -- adding both modifier keys brings up the items to copy dialog. So try just shift-click or opt-click and it should work as it used to. This was changed with Fin2006, if I recall correctly. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Klezmer music question
AFAIK this was *very* occasionally used to indicate a minor key. In this case G minor- completely reinforced by the scale of G minor as quoted in the message. I'm not really familiar with my minor modal variants but I suspect a 'hyper' scale form thus D to D but in G minor. The key sig works by quoting all normally used accidentals- In this case, G minor= Bb Eb F# A minor would have key sig G# (only!) D minor would have Bb and C#, and C minor would have Eb,Ab only (no Bb)! Weird- but I recall reading of a strong European movement to adopt such a system mid 20th Century! Just a thought! Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruth H. Randle Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 12:14 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Klezmer music question I have been given a handwritten piece of Klezmer music to transcribe, called Baym Rebn Sude. There are no chords, just a simple melody line. My problem is this: It has 1 sharp (F) and 2 flats (B and E)! I was told that a) it is a very simple piece, and b) the basic scale is D, Eb, F#, G, A, Bb, C and D. (However, there are some B naturals indicated). He said it was sort of in the key of D, maybe? Is there any way to set this up in Finale so the key signature is correct? I know nothing about Klezmer music, and I've never seen a key sig with sharps and flats together. I am using Finale 2005 for Windows. Any help will be greatly appreciated. A basic template would be even better, if someone knows how to do it. Thanks, Ruth Randle ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
He wasn't using Mirroring in the same sense that Finale has Mirrors. He was just using the term to indicate taking a selected passage and copying it to a different location. Mirrors as Finale uses the term means telling Finale that you want measures 100-120 (for example) to be exact copies of measures 20-40. That way any edits you make in measures 20-40 are immediately copied to measures 100-120. You can't make anything different between the two sets of measures. It makes it easy if you always want exact duplicate measures, but you can't even change the articulation in measures 100-120. To do any edit which is different between the two sets, you have to break the mirror link, at which point Finale writes the data into measures 100-120, giving you two sets of data. When the Mirror link is intact, there aren't two sets of data, there is the date in measures 20-40 and some sort of pointer in measures 100-120 which says put whatever is in measures 20-40 here also. I've never used it either, other than to experiment with it to see how useful it might be. It would be very useful for someone who is using the never write repeats or D.C./D.S. -- write everything out straight through so nobody can ever get lost approach. But since I don't do that, I prefer to use the copy/paste approach to duplicate sets of data and then edit each of the sets of data so there can be some variety. David H. Bailey keith helgesen wrote: Will someone please explain- I words of one syllable please- what Mirroring actually is? In ten years of Finale I've never known- and certainly never used it. Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 5:46 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 20.09.2007 Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am having problems in 2k7 mirroring passages using the method to shift-option-click on the target measure. This doesn't work with mirroring, it seems, and I am now remembering there was a bug somewhere. Can someone tell me what the workaround was? Actually, it does work after all, only the items to copy dialog comes up, which is a little confusing, since I don't think it does anythign in this context. Johannes It's just ctrl-click on Windows (or is it shift-click?) to copy as you're trying to do -- adding both modifier keys brings up the items to copy dialog. So try just shift-click or opt-click and it should work as it used to. This was changed with Fin2006, if I recall correctly. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
On 21.09.2007 dhbailey wrote: He wasn't using Mirroring in the same sense that Finale has Mirrors. He was just using the term to indicate taking a selected passage and copying it to a different location. Sorry David, but I was indeed refering to Mirrors as they are used by Finale. I don't know of any other mirror function in Finale, and I do use mirrors extensively in certain music, and in certain stages of the editing. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
On 20.09.2007 keith helgesen wrote: Will someone please explain- I words of one syllable please- what Mirroring actually is? In ten years of Finale I've never known- and certainly never used it. In addition to what David has already mentioned: Mirrors, imo, are an extremely useful way in Finale to have one passage displayed twice. Once you have mirrored a passage somewhere else, every change, addition, every articulation, slur, text, expression will appear also in the mirror. I use mirrors for two situations: In baroque and early classical music when eg the two violin parts in an orchestral piece are exactly the same, often not even written out in the manuscript, and also, occasionally in Da Capo situations. I usually will eventually convert the mirrors into real notes, but in the working stage they save me a lot of work. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:58 AM, dhbailey wrote: Mirrors as Finale uses the term means telling Finale that you want measures 100-120 (for example) to be exact copies of measures 20-40. That way any edits you make in measures 20-40 are immediately copied to measures 100-120. You can't make anything different between the two sets of measures. It makes it easy if you always want exact duplicate measures, but you can't even change the articulation in measures 100-120. To do any edit which is different between the two sets, you have to break the mirror link, at which point Finale writes the data into measures 100-120, giving you two sets of data. When the Mirror link is intact, there aren't two sets of data, there is the date in measures 20-40 and some sort of pointer in measures 100-120 which says put whatever is in measures 20-40 here also. I've never used it either, other than to experiment with it to see how useful it might be. It would be very useful for someone who is using the never write repeats or D.C./D.S. -- write everything out straight through so nobody can ever get lost approach. But since I don't do that, I prefer to use the copy/paste approach to duplicate sets of data and then edit each of the sets of data so there can be some variety. I use mirrors when I am writing a repeating accompaniment and I think the client might want changes. This way I only have to make the change in the original measures for it to cascade through the piece. Saves mondo time when a client changes his mind a lot. Otherwise, I never use them for my own music, as everything is worked out on a pencil sketch before I ever open up Finale. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: I am having problems in 2k7 mirroring passages using the method to shift-option-click on the target measure. This doesn't work with mirroring, it seems, and I am now remembering there was a bug somewhere. Can someone tell me what the workaround was? I just tried with 2k7, and it works with ctrl+shift+click. Could this be a Mac bug? I uses to use mirrors quite often, but I've had a few bad surprises when I wanted to make slight changes at the end in the mirrored version (after converting it, of course), so I gave up. Dennis You get a mirror when you ctrl-shift-click? All I get is a duplicate set of data which doesn't change when the first data is changed. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
On 21.09.2007 dhbailey wrote: You get a mirror when you ctrl-shift-click? All I get is a duplicate set of data which doesn't change when the first data is changed. You have to activate this function in the mass edit menu (up to 2k7, not sure about 2k8). Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wishlist for Finale 2009
In a message dated 9/19/07 6:06:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And hyphens, please, hyphens!!! I second, third or 200th that one. The hyphen thing is ridiculous! Vivian Vivian Adelberg Rudow Most recent performances: CALL FOR PEACE, Esther Landau, flute plus tape, performance Walden School/JCC, Dublin, NH., 57 year reunion, June 24, 2007, New Hampshire Premiere THE SKY SPEAKS, Clouds, Peabody Singers Chorus, Lindsay Thompson, soprano, Lauren Latessa, cello, Adam Rosenblatt Candy Chiu, percussion and Stefan Petrov, piano, Edward Polochick, conductor, Peabody Conservatory of Music, Thursday, March 29, 2007, in honor of the 150th anniversary of the Peabody Conservatory of Music. World Premiere CALL FOR PEACE, Sara Nichols, flute plus tape, performance An Die Musik, Baltimore Composers Forum, December 1, 2006, 8:00PM. World Premiere www.vivianadelbergrudow.com ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start
Dick Hauser / 07.9.20 / 1:17 AM wrote: We looked at the startup screen and noted that the crash occured when the message initializing midi came up (after the initializing Core Midi) and so started to look at possibilities that something there was amiss. We moved the Plug-in components out of the Library=Audio=Plug-ins=Components folder at the user and system level and still got the crash. We disconnected the midi interface (MOTU Midi Timepeace AV) and still got the crash with and without the plugins. This makes no sense. They seems to be confused between AU, CoreAudio, and CoreMIDI. After that, MM asked for a copy of my system profile and promised to study the problem more tomorrow. They didn't ask you for the crash log? Why do you not post the crashed thread here as I suggested. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature Issue
Hmm. This is reminiscent of an issue I've encountered many times when adding a Measure Expression. I'll click on the measure, go thru the steps to create the expression, and when I return to the score, no expression. It's actually been attached to another measure on the page, and is showing well off the page. I have to go to a 50% page reduction to even see its handle!! I really wish MM would get their act together. Finale is as buggy as it's ever been, and personally I don't see any hope of any change. Which is why I won't upgrade past 2007 until further notice. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 20, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I've seen this bug in 2007. Another way it shows is when you double click a measure in the Measure Tool to add a double bar, and it adds it in two places. THere are other manifestations, but I can't think of another right now. To the best of my knowledge, it is not present in 2008 (one of the few longstanding bugs that isn't!), but I'm off 2008 now, and so won't be seeing it there anyway. Christopher On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:23 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Sorry it's taken me so long to respond on this. But today I realized, quite by accident, that every time I attempted to change the time signature on the recalcitrant measure, it was actually changing the 4th measure way back at the beginning, even tho I was selecting the 56th measure. Hmm. I set Finale to display actual rather than defined measure numbers, and eureka!!, back in business. This piece has many, many measure number regions out of necessity. Another bug perhaps?? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 6:17 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: I'm working in a Fin2K7 Mac file that I've been working with for several months. It was created in 2K7. I've had this problem before and can't remember how I've gotten around it: working in the score, I have a measure that steadfastly refuses to allow me to change the time signature. It's 3/2 now and every time I change it, it STAYS 3/2, no change. Anyone come across this and come up with a solution/workaround? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start
On Sep 21, 2007, at 8:32 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: They didn't ask you for the crash log? Why do you not post the crashed thread here as I suggested. I missed that request, Hiro. I offered up the crash log but the tech didn't want it. My initial post included the first bit of it but it's so long, I didn't include it all. I'll send it to you off list. Thanks much. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Klezmer question
Thank you, Chris, Dick and Keith for your very helpful comments. Your discussions are often way above my head, but I admire the way that listers are always willing to help even with the simplest questions as well. And Chris, your descriptive term D Fraygish is wonderful! Ruth Randle ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
On 21.09.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: You can't make anything different between the two sets of measures. Er, isn't that what the tilting mirrors were for? I've never used them, but the idea was that you could do certain things that would make the mirror appear different from the original. I've never used it and don't have Finale installed on the machine I'm typing this on, so can't check, but I know that *something* called tilting mirrors does exist. They do exist, but they are extremely difficult to master, I certainly could not get them to work the way I wanted. I actually don't quite see the point of them. Mirrors are good for identical passages. They are also useful when entering a piece, even if the passages are not totally identical as long as the notes are the same, and one is happy to convert mirrors at some stage. Imo mirrors are of no use at all as soon as the notes are not identical. Johanes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: You get a mirror when you ctrl-shift-click? All I get is a duplicate set of data which doesn't change when the first data is changed. Well, first, you have to go in the Mass Edit menu and tick Mirror if you want a mirror! I said I didn't work with mirrors much. :-) In event, the keystrokes are the same to get the same result, mirrors or plain copying -- shift-ctrl-click USED to put the material in the new measures, but for the past couple of versions, it is ctrl-click (opt-click, I think, on Macs) to paste the material (mirror or just a new copy of the data) while the old method brings up the Items To Copy dialog and THEN gets to the number of times to copy it. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale
On 9/21/07, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried converting Sibelius 4 files to Finale with the Dolet 3 plug-in? There is no demo version, so I'm wondering how good the conversion is. What are the limitations? What happens to the figured bass, since Finale doesn't have an equivalent tool? Hi Dennis: I generated sample files for you at http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/dennis/ The Sibelius file is the original, the converted PDF is marked as Finale. As you can see, the figured bass gets mucked up a lot, but the note values are pretty much dead on. You're going to have reformat the music and reenter the figured bass again. While I purchased both plug ins (Finale to Sibelius Sibelius to Finale), I use the Finale to Sibelius almost exclusively, because most everyone I know has made the switch over to Sibelius.. Hope this helps you! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature Issue
I've noticed this particularly when dealing with staves that have been reduced with the Percent Tool (whatever the real name is.) Christopher On 21-Sep-07, at 12:39 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Hmm. This is reminiscent of an issue I've encountered many times when adding a Measure Expression. I'll click on the measure, go thru the steps to create the expression, and when I return to the score, no expression. It's actually been attached to another measure on the page, and is showing well off the page. I have to go to a 50% page reduction to even see its handle!! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: Paper weight
At 8:44 PM -0400 9/18/07, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Adam Taylor wrote: I've seen discussions on this list about binding of score and parts, as well as printing of parts. I was just wondering what weight of paper people here think is the best for printing score and parts for a concert band work. Regular paper just feels too light for me. You are right to think that regular paper is too thin. It falls down too easily and doesn't last long in folders of music that are played often. I have settled on some paper that I ordered specially in conjunction with a local orchestra librarian. It is 70 lb./140M cream colour, smooth finish. I read off the label another number that I think is just another way of describing the thickness, that is 13.75M, or 104g per square metre. I saved the site below last time this question came up. Be aware that in the U.S. there are two different sets of weight names. 28-lb Bond, according to this chart, equals 70-lb Offset. http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Slightly OT: Paper weight
I've seen discussions on this list about binding of score and parts, as well as printing of parts. I was just wondering what weight of paper people here think is the best for printing score and parts for a concert band work. Regular paper just feels too light for me. You are right to think that regular paper is too thin. It falls down too easily and doesn't last long in folders of music that are played often. I have settled on some paper that I ordered specially in conjunction with a local orchestra librarian. It is 70 lb./140M cream colour, smooth finish. I read off the label another number that I think is just another way of describing the thickness, that is 13.75M, or 104g per square metre. I saved the site below last time this question came up. Be aware that in the U.S. there are two different sets of weight names. 28-lb Bond, according to this chart, equals 70-lb Offset. http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html John Actually, there are at least six different weight grades in the U.S.: Bond, Text/Book/Offset, Cover, Bristol, Index, and Tag. 28 lb. Bond = 70 lb. Offset = 39 lb. Cover = 49 lb. Bristol = 58 lb. Index = 65 lb. Tag = 105 g/m2. Simple, isn't it? Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] mirroring behaviour
Thanks, David, Johannes, Christopher et al. for explanations. I tend to do the sections, then - as David does, cut and paste. I can certainly see the advantage of mirrors in 'change of mind by client etc' situation! Thanks as ever Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 5:58 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour He wasn't using Mirroring in the same sense that Finale has Mirrors. He was just using the term to indicate taking a selected passage and copying it to a different location. Mirrors as Finale uses the term means telling Finale that you want measures 100-120 (for example) to be exact copies of measures 20-40. That way any edits you make in measures 20-40 are immediately copied to measures 100-120. You can't make anything different between the two sets of measures. It makes it easy if you always want exact duplicate measures, but you can't even change the articulation in measures 100-120. To do any edit which is different between the two sets, you have to break the mirror link, at which point Finale writes the data into measures 100-120, giving you two sets of data. When the Mirror link is intact, there aren't two sets of data, there is the date in measures 20-40 and some sort of pointer in measures 100-120 which says put whatever is in measures 20-40 here also. I've never used it either, other than to experiment with it to see how useful it might be. It would be very useful for someone who is using the never write repeats or D.C./D.S. -- write everything out straight through so nobody can ever get lost approach. But since I don't do that, I prefer to use the copy/paste approach to duplicate sets of data and then edit each of the sets of data so there can be some variety. David H. Bailey keith helgesen wrote: Will someone please explain- I words of one syllable please- what Mirroring actually is? In ten years of Finale I've never known- and certainly never used it. Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910787. Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 5:46 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 20.09.2007 Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am having problems in 2k7 mirroring passages using the method to shift-option-click on the target measure. This doesn't work with mirroring, it seems, and I am now remembering there was a bug somewhere. Can someone tell me what the workaround was? Actually, it does work after all, only the items to copy dialog comes up, which is a little confusing, since I don't think it does anythign in this context. Johannes It's just ctrl-click on Windows (or is it shift-click?) to copy as you're trying to do -- adding both modifier keys brings up the items to copy dialog. So try just shift-click or opt-click and it should work as it used to. This was changed with Fin2006, if I recall correctly. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
