Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
Bob, you omitted what is perhaps the most culturally significant use  
of Dies Irae in living memory:


A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV  
during the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker  
and Kane's historic first match against one another.



Cheers,

- DJA
-
WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com

On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:57 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:


Hi Matthew--

According to Google--hope this helps:)

Bob
--:

Penderecki: Symphony 8 - Dies Irae


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae

The words have often been set to music as part of the Requiem  
service, originally as a sombre plainchant. It also formed part of  
the traditional Catholic liturgy of All Souls Day. Music for the  
Requiem Mass has been composed by many composers, including Wolfgang  
Amadeus Mozart as well as Hector Berlioz, Giuseppe Verdi, and Igor  
Stravinsky. The setting by Mozart, especially the first two stanzas  
(Requiem, 2nd movement), is often heard in the scores of movies and  
the musical beds of commercials (e.g. X2: X-Men United).


The traditional Gregorian melody has also been used as a musical  
quotation in a number of other classical compositions, among them:


   * Thomas Adès - Living Toys
   * Charles-Valentin Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano, Op. 39,  
Souvenirs: Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, Op. 15 - (No. 3  
- Morte)
   * David Baker - Fantasy on Themes from Masque of the Red Death  
Ballet

   * Ernest Bloch - Suite Symphonique [4]
   * Hector Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique
   * Johannes Brahms - Klavierstück, Op. 118, No. 6
   * Benjamin Britten - War Requiem
   * Antoine Brumel - Dies Irae
   * Elliott Carter - In Sleep, In Thunder, #4
   * Marc-Antoine Charpentier - Grand Office des Morts
   * George Crumb - Black Angels, Makrokosmos Volume II, Star Child
   * Luigi Dallapiccola - Canti di prigionia
   * Michael Daugherty - Metropolis Symphony 5th mvmt, “Red Cape  
Tango”. Dead Elvis

   * Raymond Deane - Seachanges
   * Ernő Dohnányi - Rhapsody in E-flat minor, Op. 11, No. 4
   * Antonín Dvořák - Symphony No. 7 in D minor, mvmt 1
   * Martin Ellerby - Paris Sketches, mvmt 3
   * Antonio Estévez - Cantata Criolla (1954)
   * Jean Françaix - Cinq poemes de Charles d'Orléans
   * Diamanda Galás - Masque Of The Red Death: Part I - Divine  
Punishment  Saint Of The Pit: Track 5. Heautontimorounenos  
(Restless Souls)

   * Robert Gerhard - Piano Concerto
   * Alexander Glazunov - Moyen Age
   * Leopold Godowsky - Piano Sonata in E minor, mvmt 5
   * Berthold Goldschmidt - Beatrice Cenci opera
   * Charles Gounod - Faust opera, Act IV; Mors et Vita
   * Sofia Gubaidulina - Am Rande des Abgrunds (On the edge of  
abyss), for 7 celli  2 aquaphones

   * Joseph Haydn - Symphony No. 103, The Drumroll
   * Heinz Holliger - Violin Concerto, 2nd movement
   * Vagn Holmboe - Symphony No. 10, 1st  4th mvmts; Symphony No.  
11, 1st mvmt

   * Arthur Honegger - La Danse des Morts
   * Karl Jenkins - Requiem
   * Miloslav Kabeláč - Symphony No. 8 Antiphonies
   * Aram Khachaturian - Symphony No. 2 The Bell Symphony, Spartacus
   * György Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre
   * Franz Liszt - Dante Symphony, Totentanz
   * Charles Martin Loeffler - One Who Fell in Battle, Rhapsodies  
for oboe, viola, and piano, 1st movement, and several songs

   * Jean-Baptiste Lully - Dies Irae
   * Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 2, mvmts 1, 3, and 5
   * Bohuslav Martinů - Cello Concerto No. 2, final movement.
   * Nikolai Medtner - Piano Quintet in C Major, Op. posth.
   * Modest Mussorgsky - Night on Bald Mountain, Songs and Dances of  
Death

   * Nikolai Myaskovsky - Piano Sonata No. 2, Symphony No. 6
   * Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
   * Krzysztof Penderecki - Dies Irae
   * Ildebrando Pizzetti - Requiem, Assassinio nella cattedrale
   * Sergei Rachmaninoff - Symphony No. 1, Op. 13, Symphony No. 2,  
Op. 27, Piano Sonata No. 1 in D minor, Op. 28, Isle of the Dead, Op.  
29, Prelude in E minor, Op. 32, No. 4, The Bells choral symphony,  
Op. 35, Études-Tableaux, Op. 39, No. 2, Rhapsody on a Theme of  
Paganini, Op. 43, Symphony No. 3, Op. 44, Symphonic Dances, Op. 45

   * Ottorino Respighi - Brazilian Impressions
   * Marcel Rubin - Symphony No. 4, 2nd mvmt (Dies Irae)
   * Camille Saint-Saëns - Danse Macabre, Requiem, Symphony No. 3  
(Organ Symphony)

   * Aulis Sallinen - Aulis Dies Irae, Op. 47
   * Ernest Schelling - Impressions from an Artist's Life
   * Peter Schickele (P. D. Q. Bach) - Unbegun Symphony
   * William Schmidt - Tuba mirum
   * Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 1, mvmt 4
   * Peter Sculthorpe - Memento Mori (1993)
   * Dmitri Shostakovich - Music for Hamlet, Symphony No. 14
   * Jean Sibelius - Lemminkäinen Suite
   * Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji - Variazioni e fuga triplice sopra  
“Dies iræ” per pianoforte (1923-26), Sequentia cyclica super  
“Dies iræ” ex Missa pro defunctis in clavicembali usum (1948-49)

   * Ronald Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH (1962-3)
   

Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread kaub001
I believe I also heard a Dies Irae in The Lord of the Rings (Howard Shore).

 Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 Bob, you omitted what is perhaps the most culturally significant use  
 of Dies Irae in living memory:
 
  A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV  
  during the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker  
  and Kane's historic first match against one another.
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com
 
 On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:57 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
 
  Hi Matthew--
 
  According to Google--hope this helps:)
 
  Bob
  --:
 
  Penderecki: Symphony 8 - Dies Irae
 
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae
 
  The words have often been set to music as part of the Requiem  
  service, originally as a sombre plainchant. It also formed part of  
  the traditional Catholic liturgy of All Souls Day. Music for the  
  Requiem Mass has been composed by many composers, including Wolfgang  
  Amadeus Mozart as well as Hector Berlioz, Giuseppe Verdi, and Igor  
  Stravinsky. The setting by Mozart, especially the first two stanzas  
  (Requiem, 2nd movement), is often heard in the scores of movies and  
  the musical beds of commercials (e.g. X2: X-Men United).
 
  The traditional Gregorian melody has also been used as a musical  
  quotation in a number of other classical compositions, among them:
 
 * Thomas Adès - Living Toys
 * Charles-Valentin Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano, Op. 39,  
  Souvenirs: Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, Op. 15 - (No. 3  
  - Morte)
 * David Baker - Fantasy on Themes from Masque of the Red Death  
  Ballet
 * Ernest Bloch - Suite Symphonique [4]
 * Hector Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique
 * Johannes Brahms - Klavierstück, Op. 118, No. 6
 * Benjamin Britten - War Requiem
 * Antoine Brumel - Dies Irae
 * Elliott Carter - In Sleep, In Thunder, #4
 * Marc-Antoine Charpentier - Grand Office des Morts
 * George Crumb - Black Angels, Makrokosmos Volume II, Star Child
 * Luigi Dallapiccola - Canti di prigionia
 * Michael Daugherty - Metropolis Symphony 5th mvmt, “Red Cape  
  Tango”. Dead Elvis
 * Raymond Deane - Seachanges
 * Ernő Dohnányi - Rhapsody in E-flat minor, Op. 11, No. 4
 * Antonín Dvořák - Symphony No. 7 in D minor, mvmt 1
 * Martin Ellerby - Paris Sketches, mvmt 3
 * Antonio Estévez - Cantata Criolla (1954)
 * Jean Françaix - Cinq poemes de Charles d'Orléans
 * Diamanda Galás - Masque Of The Red Death: Part I - Divine  
  Punishment  Saint Of The Pit: Track 5. Heautontimorounenos  
  (Restless Souls)
 * Robert Gerhard - Piano Concerto
 * Alexander Glazunov - Moyen Age
 * Leopold Godowsky - Piano Sonata in E minor, mvmt 5
 * Berthold Goldschmidt - Beatrice Cenci opera
 * Charles Gounod - Faust opera, Act IV; Mors et Vita
 * Sofia Gubaidulina - Am Rande des Abgrunds (On the edge of  
  abyss), for 7 celli  2 aquaphones
 * Joseph Haydn - Symphony No. 103, The Drumroll
 * Heinz Holliger - Violin Concerto, 2nd movement
 * Vagn Holmboe - Symphony No. 10, 1st  4th mvmts; Symphony No.  
  11, 1st mvmt
 * Arthur Honegger - La Danse des Morts
 * Karl Jenkins - Requiem
 * Miloslav Kabeláč - Symphony No. 8 Antiphonies
 * Aram Khachaturian - Symphony No. 2 The Bell Symphony, Spartacus
 * György Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre
 * Franz Liszt - Dante Symphony, Totentanz
 * Charles Martin Loeffler - One Who Fell in Battle, Rhapsodies  
  for oboe, viola, and piano, 1st movement, and several songs
 * Jean-Baptiste Lully - Dies Irae
 * Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 2, mvmts 1, 3, and 5
 * Bohuslav Martinů - Cello Concerto No. 2, final movement.
 * Nikolai Medtner - Piano Quintet in C Major, Op. posth.
 * Modest Mussorgsky - Night on Bald Mountain, Songs and Dances of  
  Death
 * Nikolai Myaskovsky - Piano Sonata No. 2, Symphony No. 6
 * Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
 * Krzysztof Penderecki - Dies Irae
 * Ildebrando Pizzetti - Requiem, Assassinio nella cattedrale
 * Sergei Rachmaninoff - Symphony No. 1, Op. 13, Symphony No. 2,  
  Op. 27, Piano Sonata No. 1 in D minor, Op. 28, Isle of the Dead, Op.  
  29, Prelude in E minor, Op. 32, No. 4, The Bells choral symphony,  
  Op. 35, Études-Tableaux, Op. 39, No. 2, Rhapsody on a Theme of  
  Paganini, Op. 43, Symphony No. 3, Op. 44, Symphonic Dances, Op. 45
 * Ottorino Respighi - Brazilian Impressions
 * Marcel Rubin - Symphony No. 4, 2nd mvmt (Dies Irae)
 * Camille Saint-Saëns - Danse Macabre, Requiem, Symphony No. 3  
  (Organ Symphony)
 * Aulis Sallinen - Aulis Dies Irae, Op. 47
 * Ernest Schelling - Impressions from an Artist's Life
 * Peter Schickele (P. D. Q. Bach) - Unbegun Symphony
 * William Schmidt - Tuba mirum
 * Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 1, mvmt 4
 * Peter Sculthorpe - Memento Mori (1993)
 * Dmitri Shostakovich - Music for 

Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Bob Morabito
I guess I'll have to WRESTLE with that thought for MANY years to  
come, Darcy..


I should have included it as Matthew asked for:

(Particularly important works?)


My bad :)

Bob

PS: Yes, that momentous occasion was actually mentioned on the page  
in Wikipedia I referenced--

Under References in Popular Culture..

I now include the rest for the sake of completeness, lest I be PINNED  
down again for lacking it:):



The melody has also been referenced in popular culture, often being  
used in soundtracks to horror films.


A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV  
during the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker  
and Kane's historic first match against one another.


The musical Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street by  
Stephen Sondheim contains several variations of the Dies Irae  
throughout its score, most notably in the recurrent Ballad of  
Sweeney Todd,[5] and as part of the underscoring in the climactic  
Epiphany.


Lacrimosa by singer/songwriter Regina Spektor centers around the  
eighteenth stanza of the poem. The song is written from the point  
of view of Icarus, the son of Daedalus from Greek mythology, as he  
is falling to the earth.


A version of Dies Irae named Requiem Nitachou K.626 is used for  
Wolfgang Krauser in the Fatal Fury series by SNK,now SNK Playmore.


In Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the last stanza (Pie Jesu  
Domine, dona eis requiem) is chanted by monks hitting themselves  
with boards.


A japanese Anime called Death Note features Dies Irae's first two  
stanzas as the lyrics of the theme of the Death Note with  
orchestral music in the background.




On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Bob, you omitted what is perhaps the most culturally significant  
use of Dies Irae in living memory:


A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV  
during the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker  
and Kane's historic first match against one another.



Cheers,

- DJA
-
WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com

On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:57 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:


Hi Matthew--

According to Google--hope this helps:)

Bob
--:

Penderecki: Symphony 8 - Dies Irae


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae

The words have often been set to music as part of the Requiem  
service, originally as a sombre plainchant. It also formed part of  
the traditional Catholic liturgy of All Souls Day. Music for the  
Requiem Mass has been composed by many composers, including  
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as well as Hector Berlioz, Giuseppe Verdi,  
and Igor Stravinsky. The setting by Mozart, especially the first  
two stanzas (Requiem, 2nd movement), is often heard in the scores  
of movies and the musical beds of commercials (e.g. X2: X-Men  
United).


The traditional Gregorian melody has also been used as a musical  
quotation in a number of other classical compositions, among them:


   * Thomas Adès - Living Toys
   * Charles-Valentin Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano, Op. 39,  
Souvenirs: Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, Op. 15 - (No.  
3 - Morte)
   * David Baker - Fantasy on Themes from Masque of the Red Death  
Ballet

   * Ernest Bloch - Suite Symphonique [4]
   * Hector Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique
   * Johannes Brahms - Klavierstück, Op. 118, No. 6
   * Benjamin Britten - War Requiem
   * Antoine Brumel - Dies Irae
   * Elliott Carter - In Sleep, In Thunder, #4
   * Marc-Antoine Charpentier - Grand Office des Morts
   * George Crumb - Black Angels, Makrokosmos Volume II, Star Child
   * Luigi Dallapiccola - Canti di prigionia
   * Michael Daugherty - Metropolis Symphony 5th mvmt, “Red Cape  
Tango”. Dead Elvis

   * Raymond Deane - Seachanges
   * Ernő Dohnányi - Rhapsody in E-flat minor, Op. 11, No. 4
   * Antonín Dvořák - Symphony No. 7 in D minor, mvmt 1
   * Martin Ellerby - Paris Sketches, mvmt 3
   * Antonio Estévez - Cantata Criolla (1954)
   * Jean Françaix - Cinq poemes de Charles d'Orléans
   * Diamanda Galás - Masque Of The Red Death: Part I - Divine  
Punishment  Saint Of The Pit: Track 5. Heautontimorounenos  
(Restless Souls)

   * Robert Gerhard - Piano Concerto
   * Alexander Glazunov - Moyen Age
   * Leopold Godowsky - Piano Sonata in E minor, mvmt 5
   * Berthold Goldschmidt - Beatrice Cenci opera
   * Charles Gounod - Faust opera, Act IV; Mors et Vita
   * Sofia Gubaidulina - Am Rande des Abgrunds (On the edge of  
abyss), for 7 celli  2 aquaphones

   * Joseph Haydn - Symphony No. 103, The Drumroll
   * Heinz Holliger - Violin Concerto, 2nd movement
   * Vagn Holmboe - Symphony No. 10, 1st  4th mvmts; Symphony No.  
11, 1st mvmt

   * Arthur Honegger - La Danse des Morts
   * Karl Jenkins - Requiem
   * Miloslav Kabeláč - Symphony No. 8 Antiphonies
   * Aram Khachaturian - Symphony No. 2 The Bell Symphony, Spartacus
   * György Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre
   * Franz Liszt - Dante Symphony, Totentanz
   * Charles Martin Loeffler - One Who Fell in Battle, 

Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread David McKay
Matthew, you ask some really interesting questions!
David McKay
www.aussiemusician.blogspot.com

2009/10/27 Matthew Hindson mhindson2...@gmail.com

 Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some form
 or another?

 There is Rachmaninoff, of course, and Michael Daugherty's Dead Elvis.
 Also Crumb uses it now and then e.g. Black Angels, Makrokosmos II.  But any
 others that come to mind? (Particularly important works?)

 Matthew
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RE: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Gary Griffiths
There is also a setting of the Dies Irae in Disney's 'Hunchback of Notre Dame'

Gary Griffiths
Musical Director
Inspiration 

 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
 Behalf Of Darcy James Argue
 Sent: 27 October 2009 06:42
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae
 
 Bob, you omitted what is perhaps the most culturally significant use
 of Dies Irae in living memory:
 
  A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV
  during the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker
  and Kane's historic first match against one another.
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com
 
 On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:57 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
 
  Hi Matthew--
 
  According to Google--hope this helps:)
 
  Bob
  --:
 
  Penderecki: Symphony 8 - Dies Irae
 
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae
 
  The words have often been set to music as part of the Requiem
  service, originally as a sombre plainchant. It also formed part of
  the traditional Catholic liturgy of All Souls Day. Music for the
  Requiem Mass has been composed by many composers, including Wolfgang
  Amadeus Mozart as well as Hector Berlioz, Giuseppe Verdi, and Igor
  Stravinsky. The setting by Mozart, especially the first two stanzas
  (Requiem, 2nd movement), is often heard in the scores of movies and
  the musical beds of commercials (e.g. X2: X-Men United).
 
  The traditional Gregorian melody has also been used as a musical
  quotation in a number of other classical compositions, among them:
 
 * Thomas Adès - Living Toys
 * Charles-Valentin Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano, Op. 39,
  Souvenirs: Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, Op. 15 - (No. 3
  - Morte)
 * David Baker - Fantasy on Themes from Masque of the Red Death
  Ballet
 * Ernest Bloch - Suite Symphonique [4]
 * Hector Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique
 * Johannes Brahms - Klavierstück, Op. 118, No. 6
 * Benjamin Britten - War Requiem
 * Antoine Brumel - Dies Irae
 * Elliott Carter - In Sleep, In Thunder, #4
 * Marc-Antoine Charpentier - Grand Office des Morts
 * George Crumb - Black Angels, Makrokosmos Volume II, Star Child
 * Luigi Dallapiccola - Canti di prigionia
 * Michael Daugherty - Metropolis Symphony 5th mvmt, “Red Cape
  Tango”. Dead Elvis
 * Raymond Deane - Seachanges
 * Ernő Dohnányi - Rhapsody in E-flat minor, Op. 11, No. 4
 * Antonín Dvořák - Symphony No. 7 in D minor, mvmt 1
 * Martin Ellerby - Paris Sketches, mvmt 3
 * Antonio Estévez - Cantata Criolla (1954)
 * Jean Françaix - Cinq poemes de Charles d'Orléans
 * Diamanda Galás - Masque Of The Red Death: Part I - Divine
  Punishment  Saint Of The Pit: Track 5. Heautontimorounenos
  (Restless Souls)
 * Robert Gerhard - Piano Concerto
 * Alexander Glazunov - Moyen Age
 * Leopold Godowsky - Piano Sonata in E minor, mvmt 5
 * Berthold Goldschmidt - Beatrice Cenci opera
 * Charles Gounod - Faust opera, Act IV; Mors et Vita
 * Sofia Gubaidulina - Am Rande des Abgrunds (On the edge of
  abyss), for 7 celli  2 aquaphones
 * Joseph Haydn - Symphony No. 103, The Drumroll
 * Heinz Holliger - Violin Concerto, 2nd movement
 * Vagn Holmboe - Symphony No. 10, 1st  4th mvmts; Symphony No.
  11, 1st mvmt
 * Arthur Honegger - La Danse des Morts
 * Karl Jenkins - Requiem
 * Miloslav Kabeláč - Symphony No. 8 Antiphonies
 * Aram Khachaturian - Symphony No. 2 The Bell Symphony, Spartacus
 * György Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre
 * Franz Liszt - Dante Symphony, Totentanz
 * Charles Martin Loeffler - One Who Fell in Battle, Rhapsodies
  for oboe, viola, and piano, 1st movement, and several songs
 * Jean-Baptiste Lully - Dies Irae
 * Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 2, mvmts 1, 3, and 5
 * Bohuslav Martinů - Cello Concerto No. 2, final movement.
 * Nikolai Medtner - Piano Quintet in C Major, Op. posth.
 * Modest Mussorgsky - Night on Bald Mountain, Songs and Dances of
  Death
 * Nikolai Myaskovsky - Piano Sonata No. 2, Symphony No. 6
 * Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
 * Krzysztof Penderecki - Dies Irae
 * Ildebrando Pizzetti - Requiem, Assassinio nella cattedrale
 * Sergei Rachmaninoff - Symphony No. 1, Op. 13, Symphony No. 2,
  Op. 27, Piano Sonata No. 1 in D minor, Op. 28, Isle of the Dead, Op.
  29, Prelude in E minor, Op. 32, No. 4, The Bells choral symphony,
  Op. 35, Études-Tableaux, Op. 39, No. 2, Rhapsody on a Theme of
  Paganini, Op. 43, Symphony No. 3, Op. 44, Symphonic Dances, Op. 45
 * Ottorino Respighi - Brazilian Impressions
 * Marcel Rubin - Symphony No. 4, 2nd mvmt (Dies Irae)
 * Camille Saint-Saëns - Danse Macabre, Requiem, Symphony No. 3
  (Organ Symphony)
 * Aulis Sallinen - Aulis Dies Irae, Op. 47
 * Ernest Schelling - Impressions from an Artist's Life
 * Peter Schickele (P. D. Q. Bach) - Unbegun Symphony
 * William 

Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Bob Morabito

Isnt that the last one on the list below?



   * Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz - The Hunchback of Notre Dame
soundtracks


Bob

On Oct 27, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Gary Griffiths wrote:

There is also a setting of the Dies Irae in Disney's 'Hunchback of  
Notre Dame'


Gary Griffiths
Musical Director
Inspiration


-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
Behalf Of Darcy James Argue
Sent: 27 October 2009 06:42
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

Bob, you omitted what is perhaps the most culturally significant use
of Dies Irae in living memory:


A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV
during the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker
and Kane's historic first match against one another.



Cheers,

- DJA
-
WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com

On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:57 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:


Hi Matthew--

According to Google--hope this helps:)

Bob
--:

Penderecki: Symphony 8 - Dies Irae


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae

The words have often been set to music as part of the Requiem
service, originally as a sombre plainchant. It also formed part of
the traditional Catholic liturgy of All Souls Day. Music for the
Requiem Mass has been composed by many composers, including Wolfgang
Amadeus Mozart as well as Hector Berlioz, Giuseppe Verdi, and Igor
Stravinsky. The setting by Mozart, especially the first two stanzas
(Requiem, 2nd movement), is often heard in the scores of movies and
the musical beds of commercials (e.g. X2: X-Men United).

The traditional Gregorian melody has also been used as a musical
quotation in a number of other classical compositions, among them:

   * Thomas Adès - Living Toys
   * Charles-Valentin Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano, Op. 39,
Souvenirs: Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, Op. 15 - (No. 3
- Morte)
   * David Baker - Fantasy on Themes from Masque of the Red Death
Ballet
   * Ernest Bloch - Suite Symphonique [4]
   * Hector Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique
   * Johannes Brahms - Klavierstück, Op. 118, No. 6
   * Benjamin Britten - War Requiem
   * Antoine Brumel - Dies Irae
   * Elliott Carter - In Sleep, In Thunder, #4
   * Marc-Antoine Charpentier - Grand Office des Morts
   * George Crumb - Black Angels, Makrokosmos Volume II, Star Child
   * Luigi Dallapiccola - Canti di prigionia
   * Michael Daugherty - Metropolis Symphony 5th mvmt, “Red Cape
Tango”. Dead Elvis
   * Raymond Deane - Seachanges
   * Ernő Dohnányi - Rhapsody in E-flat minor, Op. 11, No. 4
   * Antonín Dvořák - Symphony No. 7 in D minor, mvmt 1
   * Martin Ellerby - Paris Sketches, mvmt 3
   * Antonio Estévez - Cantata Criolla (1954)
   * Jean Françaix - Cinq poemes de Charles d'Orléans
   * Diamanda Galás - Masque Of The Red Death: Part I - Divine
Punishment  Saint Of The Pit: Track 5. Heautontimorounenos
(Restless Souls)
   * Robert Gerhard - Piano Concerto
   * Alexander Glazunov - Moyen Age
   * Leopold Godowsky - Piano Sonata in E minor, mvmt 5
   * Berthold Goldschmidt - Beatrice Cenci opera
   * Charles Gounod - Faust opera, Act IV; Mors et Vita
   * Sofia Gubaidulina - Am Rande des Abgrunds (On the edge of
abyss), for 7 celli  2 aquaphones
   * Joseph Haydn - Symphony No. 103, The Drumroll
   * Heinz Holliger - Violin Concerto, 2nd movement
   * Vagn Holmboe - Symphony No. 10, 1st  4th mvmts; Symphony No.
11, 1st mvmt
   * Arthur Honegger - La Danse des Morts
   * Karl Jenkins - Requiem
   * Miloslav Kabeláč - Symphony No. 8 Antiphonies
   * Aram Khachaturian - Symphony No. 2 The Bell Symphony, Spartacus
   * György Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre
   * Franz Liszt - Dante Symphony, Totentanz
   * Charles Martin Loeffler - One Who Fell in Battle, Rhapsodies
for oboe, viola, and piano, 1st movement, and several songs
   * Jean-Baptiste Lully - Dies Irae
   * Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 2, mvmts 1, 3, and 5
   * Bohuslav Martinů - Cello Concerto No. 2, final movement.
   * Nikolai Medtner - Piano Quintet in C Major, Op. posth.
   * Modest Mussorgsky - Night on Bald Mountain, Songs and Dances of
Death
   * Nikolai Myaskovsky - Piano Sonata No. 2, Symphony No. 6
   * Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
   * Krzysztof Penderecki - Dies Irae
   * Ildebrando Pizzetti - Requiem, Assassinio nella cattedrale
   * Sergei Rachmaninoff - Symphony No. 1, Op. 13, Symphony No. 2,
Op. 27, Piano Sonata No. 1 in D minor, Op. 28, Isle of the Dead, Op.
29, Prelude in E minor, Op. 32, No. 4, The Bells choral symphony,
Op. 35, Études-Tableaux, Op. 39, No. 2, Rhapsody on a Theme of
Paganini, Op. 43, Symphony No. 3, Op. 44, Symphonic Dances, Op. 45
   * Ottorino Respighi - Brazilian Impressions
   * Marcel Rubin - Symphony No. 4, 2nd mvmt (Dies Irae)
   * Camille Saint-Saëns - Danse Macabre, Requiem, Symphony No. 3
(Organ Symphony)
   * Aulis Sallinen - Aulis Dies Irae, Op. 47
   * Ernest Schelling - Impressions from an Artist's Life
   * Peter Schickele (P. D. Q. Bach) - Unbegun Symphony
   * William Schmidt - 

RE: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Gary Griffiths
Doh! - yes it is.

Gary
 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
 Behalf Of Bob Morabito
 Sent: 27 October 2009 09:40
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae
 
 Isnt that the last one on the list below?
 
 
 * Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz - The Hunchback of Notre Dame
  soundtracks
 
 Bob
 
 On Oct 27, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Gary Griffiths wrote:
 
  There is also a setting of the Dies Irae in Disney's 'Hunchback of
  Notre Dame'
 
  Gary Griffiths
  Musical Director
  Inspiration
 
  -Original Message-
  From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
  Behalf Of Darcy James Argue
  Sent: 27 October 2009 06:42
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae
 
  Bob, you omitted what is perhaps the most culturally significant use
  of Dies Irae in living memory:
 
  A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV
  during the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker
  and Kane's historic first match against one another.
 
 
  Cheers,
 
  - DJA
  -
  WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com
 
  On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:57 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
 
  Hi Matthew--
 
  According to Google--hope this helps:)
 
  Bob
  --:
 
  Penderecki: Symphony 8 - Dies Irae
 
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae
 
  The words have often been set to music as part of the Requiem
  service, originally as a sombre plainchant. It also formed part of
  the traditional Catholic liturgy of All Souls Day. Music for the
  Requiem Mass has been composed by many composers, including
 Wolfgang
  Amadeus Mozart as well as Hector Berlioz, Giuseppe Verdi, and Igor
  Stravinsky. The setting by Mozart, especially the first two stanzas
  (Requiem, 2nd movement), is often heard in the scores of movies and
  the musical beds of commercials (e.g. X2: X-Men United).
 
  The traditional Gregorian melody has also been used as a musical
  quotation in a number of other classical compositions, among them:
 
 * Thomas Adès - Living Toys
 * Charles-Valentin Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano, Op. 39,
  Souvenirs: Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, Op. 15 - (No. 3
  - Morte)
 * David Baker - Fantasy on Themes from Masque of the Red Death
  Ballet
 * Ernest Bloch - Suite Symphonique [4]
 * Hector Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique
 * Johannes Brahms - Klavierstück, Op. 118, No. 6
 * Benjamin Britten - War Requiem
 * Antoine Brumel - Dies Irae
 * Elliott Carter - In Sleep, In Thunder, #4
 * Marc-Antoine Charpentier - Grand Office des Morts
 * George Crumb - Black Angels, Makrokosmos Volume II, Star Child
 * Luigi Dallapiccola - Canti di prigionia
 * Michael Daugherty - Metropolis Symphony 5th mvmt, “Red Cape
  Tango”. Dead Elvis
 * Raymond Deane - Seachanges
 * Ernő Dohnányi - Rhapsody in E-flat minor, Op. 11, No. 4
 * Antonín Dvořák - Symphony No. 7 in D minor, mvmt 1
 * Martin Ellerby - Paris Sketches, mvmt 3
 * Antonio Estévez - Cantata Criolla (1954)
 * Jean Françaix - Cinq poemes de Charles d'Orléans
 * Diamanda Galás - Masque Of The Red Death: Part I - Divine
  Punishment  Saint Of The Pit: Track 5. Heautontimorounenos
  (Restless Souls)
 * Robert Gerhard - Piano Concerto
 * Alexander Glazunov - Moyen Age
 * Leopold Godowsky - Piano Sonata in E minor, mvmt 5
 * Berthold Goldschmidt - Beatrice Cenci opera
 * Charles Gounod - Faust opera, Act IV; Mors et Vita
 * Sofia Gubaidulina - Am Rande des Abgrunds (On the edge of
  abyss), for 7 celli  2 aquaphones
 * Joseph Haydn - Symphony No. 103, The Drumroll
 * Heinz Holliger - Violin Concerto, 2nd movement
 * Vagn Holmboe - Symphony No. 10, 1st  4th mvmts; Symphony No.
  11, 1st mvmt
 * Arthur Honegger - La Danse des Morts
 * Karl Jenkins - Requiem
 * Miloslav Kabeláč - Symphony No. 8 Antiphonies
 * Aram Khachaturian - Symphony No. 2 The Bell Symphony,
 Spartacus
 * György Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre
 * Franz Liszt - Dante Symphony, Totentanz
 * Charles Martin Loeffler - One Who Fell in Battle, Rhapsodies
  for oboe, viola, and piano, 1st movement, and several songs
 * Jean-Baptiste Lully - Dies Irae
 * Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 2, mvmts 1, 3, and 5
 * Bohuslav Martinů - Cello Concerto No. 2, final movement.
 * Nikolai Medtner - Piano Quintet in C Major, Op. posth.
 * Modest Mussorgsky - Night on Bald Mountain, Songs and Dances
 of
  Death
 * Nikolai Myaskovsky - Piano Sonata No. 2, Symphony No. 6
 * Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
 * Krzysztof Penderecki - Dies Irae
 * Ildebrando Pizzetti - Requiem, Assassinio nella cattedrale
 * Sergei Rachmaninoff - Symphony No. 1, Op. 13, Symphony No. 2,
  Op. 27, Piano Sonata No. 1 in D minor, Op. 28, Isle of the Dead,
 Op.
  29, Prelude in E minor, Op. 32, No. 4, The Bells choral symphony,
  Op. 35, Études-Tableaux, Op. 39, No. 2, Rhapsody on a 

Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Aaron Sherber
It may not be as classical as you intend, but the Dies Irae figures 
prominently throughout the score of Sweeney Todd.


Aaron.
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Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Christopher Smith


On Tue Oct 27, at TuesdayOct 27 12:09 AM, Matthew Hindson wrote:

Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in  
some form

or another?

There is Rachmaninoff, of course, and Michael Daugherty's Dead  
Elvis.
Also Crumb uses it now and then e.g. Black Angels, Makrokosmos II.   
But any

others that come to mind? (Particularly important works?)

Matthew




Also one of my favourite musicals of all time, Sweeney Todd by  
Stephen Sondheim. The Ballad of Sweeney Todd (opening number) uses it.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread dhbailey

Darcy James Argue wrote:
Bob, you omitted what is perhaps the most culturally significant use of 
Dies Irae in living memory:


A version of Dies Irae was used in WWE/WWF's WrestleMania XIV during 
the video package to promote the buildup to The Undertaker and Kane's 
historic first match against one another.



Cheers,

- DJA


So, Darcy, can we expect to see your jazz orchestra in the 
ring on some Smackdown show on TV any time soon?  ;-)


It's nice to see one of America's two true sports getting 
mentioned in cultural circles.  Now if we can only get 
Roller Derby involved somehow . . .


--
David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread John Howell

At 3:09 PM +1100 10/27/09, Matthew Hindson wrote:

Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some form
or another?

(Particularly important works?)


Oh, my goodness, Matthew!  You've certainly left yourself wide open 
on this one!!!  Important, as in self-important, as in 
pretentious, as in self-declared art music?


A great deal of the most important music of the 20th century 
(defining important, just for fun, as music that has been heard 
and enjoyed by the largest number of people and has influenced the 
lives of the largest number of people) has been written for movie 
scores, and more recently for TV drama scores, specials, or series. 
It is, in other words, functional music written for immediate use, 
written to be appealing to large numbers of people, and written with 
understanding of the huge emotional dimension that music can bring to 
any drama.


I think that if you were to take an open and honest look at 20th 
century music, you would find that those composers whose music is 
written to satisfy their own egos, and who SAY that they don't care 
whether people like it or not, say that simply because their music is 
NOT music that people like--academic music written by academics for 
other academics.  And also music that is influential, but only 
influential within that tightly-bound sub-culture of academics and 
the students who unfortunately have to write to please their 
professors.


OK, I might be exaggerating just a teeny bit, but I DO think it's 
significant that while academic composers blithely declared the end 
of functional harmony, jazz, pop, and musical theater composers and 
songwriters ignored them as irrelevant and continue to write tonal 
music using functional harmony.  Could there be a lesson there?


John

P.S.  As to the Dies irae chant melody, it's been used over and over 
by composers in ALL styles who managed to stay awake in their music 
history classes and who know the strong association it has, for those 
in liturgical churches, with the Mass for the Dead.  After all, it's 
there to be used freely by any composer with a decent undergraduate 
knowledge of music history.



--
John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts  Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:john.how...@vt.edu)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html

We never play anything the same way once.  Shelly Manne's definition
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[Finale] RE: OT Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Blake Richardson
On 10/27/09 10:10 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu
wrote:

 From: Matthew Hindson mhindson2...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu
 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:09:11 +1100
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae
 
 Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some form
 or another?
 
 There is Rachmaninoff, of course, and Michael Daugherty's Dead Elvis.
 Also Crumb uses it now and then e.g. Black Angels, Makrokosmos II.  But any
 others that come to mind? (Particularly important works?)

Mark Ayers used it in his score to Kubrick's The Shining and Howard Shore
used it throughout his scores to the Lord of the Rings films.


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

2009-10-27 Thread Gerhard Torges

Hello Noel!

Am 26.10.2009 um 05:26 schrieb Noel Stoutenburg:

US law (where--to the best of my knowledge, the CPDL servers are  
domiciled)


Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be accessed.


Gerhard
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

2009-10-27 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Gerhard Torges gh.nos...@gmx.de wrote:

 Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
 Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be accessed.


Don't tell that to the Russian hackers that post movies, software,
games, music, and porn routinely :-)

Thanks
Kim
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

2009-10-27 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Gerhard Torges wrote:

Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be accessed.
Please, would you be so kind as to provide a citation for this from US 
law, or the US Code of Federal regulations? Your assertion is at odds 
with everything else I have seen, and also at odds with much of the 
content of the internet.


ns
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Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread Matthew Hindson (gmail)

Dear John,

I'm not going to bite on this one!  Especially as I am also an academic.

Other to say that you will note I put   around important, for 
reasons that may in fact relate in some way to what you have expounded.


Matthew

John Howell wrote:

At 3:09 PM +1100 10/27/09, Matthew Hindson wrote:
Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some 
form

or another?

(Particularly important works?)


Oh, my goodness, Matthew!  You've certainly left yourself wide open on 
this one!!!  Important, as in self-important, as in pretentious, 
as in self-declared art music?


A great deal of the most important music of the 20th century (defining 
important, just for fun, as music that has been heard and enjoyed by 
the largest number of people and has influenced the lives of the largest 
number of people) has been written for movie scores, and more recently 
for TV drama scores, specials, or series. It is, in other words, 
functional music written for immediate use, written to be appealing to 
large numbers of people, and written with understanding of the huge 
emotional dimension that music can bring to any drama.


I think that if you were to take an open and honest look at 20th century 
music, you would find that those composers whose music is written to 
satisfy their own egos, and who SAY that they don't care whether people 
like it or not, say that simply because their music is NOT music that 
people like--academic music written by academics for other academics.  
And also music that is influential, but only influential within that 
tightly-bound sub-culture of academics and the students who 
unfortunately have to write to please their professors.


OK, I might be exaggerating just a teeny bit, but I DO think it's 
significant that while academic composers blithely declared the end of 
functional harmony, jazz, pop, and musical theater composers and 
songwriters ignored them as irrelevant and continue to write tonal music 
using functional harmony.  Could there be a lesson there?


John

P.S.  As to the Dies irae chant melody, it's been used over and over by 
composers in ALL styles who managed to stay awake in their music history 
classes and who know the strong association it has, for those in 
liturgical churches, with the Mass for the Dead.  After all, it's there 
to be used freely by any composer with a decent undergraduate knowledge 
of music history.




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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

2009-10-27 Thread Christopher Smith


On Tue Oct 27, at TuesdayOct 27 8:51 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:


Gerhard Torges wrote:

Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be  
accessed.
Please, would you be so kind as to provide a citation for this from  
US law, or the US Code of Federal regulations? Your assertion is at  
odds with everything else I have seen, and also at odds with much  
of the content of the internet.




Yeah, I wonder about that myself. The IMSLP, based in Canada, had  
material on it that is PD in Canada but still under copyright in say,  
the US or European countries. They posted a notice saying that on  
individual downloads, but the material is still there. Apparently  
there were lawyers talking, and they tried to enforce Viennese  
copyright on a Canadian site, and failed.


But strangely, the Gershwin instrumental material, supposedly PD  
under Canadian law, is still held up in legal limbo. I don't know why  
(well, I know WHY, I just don't know the legal arguments!)


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae

2009-10-27 Thread arabushk
Well heck, just ask Garth Brooks, or look at any Hollywood movie about any
musician--music is only as important as the amount of money it generates!
We should all know that, shouldn't we?

ajr
not an academic, and always finding it more difficult to reach an audience
than to please one

 Dear John,

 I'm not going to bite on this one!  Especially as I am also an academic.

 Other to say that you will note I put   around important, for
 reasons that may in fact relate in some way to what you have expounded.

 Matthew

 John Howell wrote:
 At 3:09 PM +1100 10/27/09, Matthew Hindson wrote:
 Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some
 form
 or another?

 (Particularly important works?)

 Oh, my goodness, Matthew!  You've certainly left yourself wide open on
 this one!!!  Important, as in self-important, as in pretentious,
 as in self-declared art music?

 A great deal of the most important music of the 20th century (defining
 important, just for fun, as music that has been heard and enjoyed by
 the largest number of people and has influenced the lives of the largest
 number of people) has been written for movie scores, and more recently
 for TV drama scores, specials, or series. It is, in other words,
 functional music written for immediate use, written to be appealing to
 large numbers of people, and written with understanding of the huge
 emotional dimension that music can bring to any drama.

 I think that if you were to take an open and honest look at 20th century
 music, you would find that those composers whose music is written to
 satisfy their own egos, and who SAY that they don't care whether people
 like it or not, say that simply because their music is NOT music that
 people like--academic music written by academics for other academics.
 And also music that is influential, but only influential within that
 tightly-bound sub-culture of academics and the students who
 unfortunately have to write to please their professors.

 OK, I might be exaggerating just a teeny bit, but I DO think it's
 significant that while academic composers blithely declared the end of
 functional harmony, jazz, pop, and musical theater composers and
 songwriters ignored them as irrelevant and continue to write tonal music
 using functional harmony.  Could there be a lesson there?

 John

 P.S.  As to the Dies irae chant melody, it's been used over and over by
 composers in ALL styles who managed to stay awake in their music history
 classes and who know the strong association it has, for those in
 liturgical churches, with the Mass for the Dead.  After all, it's there
 to be used freely by any composer with a decent undergraduate knowledge
 of music history.


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[Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius

2009-10-27 Thread David McKay
My wife and I are using Finale 2004b. One issue I have is that when I ask it
to print 2 copies on my Samsung laser printer SCX 4521f, it prints 4 or 6
copies each time. Printer doesn't misbehave with other software.

Don't know if anyone has an answer for that one.

But reading the comments about Fin 10 makes me wary of upgrading. Is Sib 10
or whatever it is called also full of bugs? Or is it a better proposition
than Finale now?

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Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius

2009-10-27 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Not sure if you can blame finale or your computer. You should make  
sure all the drivers for your printer are up to date.


Is this a windows or a mac computer?

You might also have your finale pages set too large for the printer.  
Perhaps your template as well?


There are a lot of things to step through before blaming finale.


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On Oct 27, 2009, at 8:59 PM, David McKay davidmcka...@gmail.com wrote:

My wife and I are using Finale 2004b. One issue I have is that when  
I ask it
to print 2 copies on my Samsung laser printer SCX 4521f, it prints 4  
or 6

copies each time. Printer doesn't misbehave with other software.

Don't know if anyone has an answer for that one.

But reading the comments about Fin 10 makes me wary of upgrading. Is  
Sib 10
or whatever it is called also full of bugs? Or is it a better  
proposition

than Finale now?

David McKay
www.aussiemusician.blogspot.com
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Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius

2009-10-27 Thread Carl Dershem

David McKay wrote:

My wife and I are using Finale 2004b. One issue I have is that when I
ask it to print 2 copies on my Samsung laser printer SCX 4521f, it
prints 4 or 6 copies each time. Printer doesn't misbehave with other
software.

Don't know if anyone has an answer for that one.


I Use FinWin2004b, and my printer (a HP) gives me no problems I don't 
cause myself.


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Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius

2009-10-27 Thread John Howell

At 2:59 PM +1100 10/28/09, David McKay wrote:


Is Sib 10
or whatever it is called also full of bugs?


It's Sibelius 6, now up to 6.1 I believe, and no it isn't full of 
bugs.  And it won't be upgraded until they have some real 
improvements to offer.


Like any software, you might agree or disagree with some of the 
programmers' decisions, and the big new deal in Sib6 is automatic 
layout, which saves a lot of time but some of which's decisions you 
might not fully agree with.  However, various aspects of it can be 
turned off if you choose to.  Oh, and a new chord symbol process, 
which a few people simply don't care for (although I'm not sure why), 
but which I've had no problems with (other than a font problem, which 
was quickly solved by Sibelius' on-line and very responsive Senior 
Product Developer).



Or is it a better proposition
than Finale now?


That depends entirely on your own work habits.  They are different.

John


--
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Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts  Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:john.how...@vt.edu)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html

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Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius

2009-10-27 Thread Matthew Hindson
David, I have both of them, Finale 2010 and Sibelius 6.1.

I in fact started using Sibelius 6.1 today and it feels a lot better than
previous versions, somehow, if also a bit slower.  The collision avoidance
thing is great on some levels.

If you have time to relearn everything and are feeling brave, then sure, why
not give Sibelius a whirl.  Certainly in Australia Sibelius is #1.  But
particularly if you are using Speedy Entry in Finale, and you don't have a
lot of time, then why not stick with what you know.

There will be some relearning required in Finale as well, e.g. Expressions.
But the Selection Tool is really so much better and it's worth the upgrade I
think for that at least.

The Dolet plugin is really good in helping to convert scores between the 2
applications if needed.

Cheers

Matthew

2009/10/28 David McKay davidmcka...@gmail.com

 My wife and I are using Finale 2004b. One issue I have is that when I ask
 it
 to print 2 copies on my Samsung laser printer SCX 4521f, it prints 4 or 6
 copies each time. Printer doesn't misbehave with other software.

 Don't know if anyone has an answer for that one.

 But reading the comments about Fin 10 makes me wary of upgrading. Is Sib 10
 or whatever it is called also full of bugs? Or is it a better proposition
 than Finale now?

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