[Finale] MacFin2010
I finally ordered and received my copy of MacFin2010. Haven't installed it yet. Is there anything I need to watch out for or do. I haven't been following the List. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Why not a blog?
Thank you gentlemen, for your replies. Not being a contributor, but merely a casual drop-in, my suggestion is just that, a suggestion. Please take it in the spirit that it is tendered. I receive my posts from this list in digest form. For over ten years I have enjoyed this, but as blogging software, free blogging software, has become available, it seems pointless to continue with the email coloured comments indicating a thread. If you receive your post one by one, fine, but for those of us who don't, we are faced with a plethora of comments, and a needed search to find the original topic. A free Wordpress blog is designed to enable everybody in a group, such as this Finale group, to post a topic. All contributors, or authors, are able to post a new thread. Once that thread is established, comments are able to be made, should there be a comment to a particular comment, it is indented accordingly. Rather than waiting for emails, or digests as I do, it is simply a matter of checking the website. Topics are trackable, the search window lists all appropriate topics or threads. If I want to know about the option-9 key for flipping accidentals, it will bring up all posts on that subject. I would love to see this list move into the 21st Century. By the way, I am fifty three years old, I have a working blog that these days has very little to do with music. However as gigs these days are few and far between for an old rocker/jazzer, I am fortunate enough to make my meagre living using Logic and Finale. yours sincerely, Nigel Hanley www.gigdiary.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacFin2010
Hi Kim, I've been using this for months with few problems. I have just converted to an Intel iMac and Snow Leopard, and there are some playback/audio units issues that I have yet to solve in the new system (I can't get the Kontact 2 Player to load at all, nor will the stand alone Garritan Aria player load instruments. Anyone with helpful ideas is welcome to let me know). Otherwise, I find 2010 pretty smooth and, if I remember correctly, you are on Windows, so maybe none of my problems will plague you. If you are new to liked parts, there is a learning curve for working with that, (pre set-up templates are a big help) but it's well worth the trouble. Let me know, if you have specific questions. Chuck On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Kim Richmond wrote: I finally ordered and received my copy of MacFin2010. Haven't installed it yet. Is there anything I need to watch out for or do. I haven't been following the List. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Why not a blog?
Again, most list things I have seen that have moved to a Blog or Forum format have withered to a shadow of their former selves, or pretty much died off. How is manually checking a website faster than email? Email is pretty instant. I would agree that the archives perhaps could be better in how you find stuff, but people rarely search the archives. The generally ask the same question again, regardless of if there was a post 2 years ago on how to do it. I know, I find this all the time on my Wordpress sitespeople don't use the search but will ask the same question. Wordpress does not really fit a good, vibrant discussion list. Nor does forum software. I can't imagine the FLUTE LIST, which has been around for over a decade, move to a Wordpress or forum format. It would kill off the discussions that happen there, and pretty much the interest in general. Or James Galway's list. Take for example, the IDRS list (international Double Reed Society list) that closed a few years ago. It was a great list with all kinds of discussions on oboe and bassoon topics. The IDRS decided that they wanted to get more modern and killed off the list and moved to a forum format. The result was that the discussion are about 1/10th what they used to be, and finding stuff in there is a pain in the asseven with the search. And you have to login in to read comments and reply. Not cool. And as a result it pretty much is useless now as a source of information. So, in theory what you propose sounds interesting, but in reality, it doesn't really offer anything better or easier. If you want to suggest something, maybe suggest something about making the archives easier to search since that is the real issue you are having. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Nigel Hanley i...@nigelhanley.com wrote: Thank you gentlemen, for your replies. Not being a contributor, but merely a casual drop-in, my suggestion is just that, a suggestion. Please take it in the spirit that it is tendered. I receive my posts from this list in digest form. For over ten years I have enjoyed this, but as blogging software, free blogging software, has become available, it seems pointless to continue with the email coloured comments indicating a thread. If you receive your post one by one, fine, but for those of us who don't, we are faced with a plethora of comments, and a needed search to find the original topic. A free Wordpress blog is designed to enable everybody in a group, such as this Finale group, to post a topic. All contributors, or authors, are able to post a new thread. Once that thread is established, comments are able to be made, should there be a comment to a particular comment, it is indented accordingly. Rather than waiting for emails, or digests as I do, it is simply a matter of checking the website. Topics are trackable, the search window lists all appropriate topics or threads. If I want to know about the option-9 key for flipping accidentals, it will bring up all posts on that subject. I would love to see this list move into the 21st Century. By the way, I am fifty three years old, I have a working blog that these days has very little to do with music. However as gigs these days are few and far between for an old rocker/jazzer, I am fortunate enough to make my meagre living using Logic and Finale. yours sincerely, Nigel Hanley www.gigdiary.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacFin2010
Have you check the Native Instruments site for updates to the Kontkat player? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Kim, I've been using this for months with few problems. I have just converted to an Intel iMac and Snow Leopard, and there are some playback/audio units issues that I have yet to solve in the new system (I can't get the Kontact 2 Player to load at all, nor will the stand alone Garritan Aria player load instruments. Anyone with helpful ideas is welcome to let me know). Otherwise, I find 2010 pretty smooth and, if I remember correctly, you are on Windows, so maybe none of my problems will plague you. If you are new to liked parts, there is a learning curve for working with that, (pre set-up templates are a big help) but it's well worth the trouble. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Why not a blog?
On 26 Mar 2010 at 5:18, Nigel Hanley wrote: Thank you gentlemen, for your replies. Not being a contributor, but merely a casual drop-in, my suggestion is just that, a suggestion. Please take it in the spirit that it is tendered. I receive my posts from this list in digest form. For over ten years I have enjoyed this, but as blogging software, free blogging software, has become available, it seems pointless to continue with the email coloured comments indicating a thread. If you receive your post one by one, fine, but for those of us who don't, we are faced with a plethora of comments, and a needed search to find the original topic. Many modern email clients can present a mailing list digest as a threaded discussion. You should investigate whether yours can do that, and if it can't whether you might get great benefit to switching to one that can. Also, most modern email clients can thread individual messages, such that you can look at a folder of posts from the Finale list as a list of subjects and then select the subjects you want to read and view the messages in order on that subject. Again, if your email can't do it, then maybe you need a better email client. In both cases, you seem to me to be complaining that the list is not convenient enough for your personal use. Yet, it's not clear if you've checked out the options that you already have to make it more convenient for you. Here's another, using Google Reader to present a mailing list as an RSS feed: http://lifehacker.com/283353/turn-mailing-lists-into-an-rss-feed That would give you the same interface to new posts that a blog would in terms of allowing you to pick and choose what to read. A free Wordpress blog is designed to enable everybody in a group, such as this Finale group, to post a topic. All contributors, or authors, are able to post a new thread. Once that thread is established, comments are able to be made, should there be a comment to a particular comment, it is indented accordingly. Rather than waiting for emails, or digests as I do, it is simply a matter of checking the website. Or subscribing to it's RSS/Atom feed. Topics are trackable, the search window lists all appropriate topics or threads. If I want to know about the option-9 key for flipping accidentals, it will bring up all posts on that subject. Go ahead. Set it up. Nothing is stopping you. I would love to see this list move into the 21st Century. Just because a technology is new doesn't mean it is better for all purposes. From my point of view, a blog would offer a minor number of useful features that can't be obtained with the mailing list (see above) while losing a lot of the features that make a mailing list good. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Why not a blog?
On 25 Mar 2010 at 11:40, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Again, most list things I have seen that have moved to a Blog or Forum format have withered to a shadow of their former selves, or pretty much died off. How is manually checking a website faster than email? Email is pretty instant. I agree with this. Indeed, the advantage of the blog is precisely that it's *not* instant -- it doesn't interrupt the flow by coming into your inbox frequently throughout the day. For someone who doesn't work at the computer all day, or how subscribes to the Finale list on their home email accounts, this is not a problem. But for the person like me who makes my living sitting at a computer, Finale messages coming in trigger my email notifier, and it's a potential interruption in my work flow. I can't turn off the notifier, as I need it for my work emails, but my email client doesn't allow me selective notification (I don't know if any email clients do so -- it would be a nice feature to be able to turn off notifications for certain FROM addresses). Now, there are workarounds, such as subscribing to the Finale list on an account that is not downloaded automatically, but I've chosen to not do that for simplicity's sake. A blog would never have that aspect of interruption, unless you're subscribed to the blog's newsfeed and display the newsfeed results in your email client. In that case, you're back where you started with the mailing list being a potential unwanted interruption, and are fully in control of whether or not you set it up that way. I would agree that the archives perhaps could be better in how you find stuff, but people rarely search the archives. The generally ask the same question again, regardless of if there was a post 2 years ago on how to do it. I know, I find this all the time on my Wordpress sitespeople don't use the search but will ask the same question. I would second this. I've participated in all sorts of forums for over 15 years and the one thing that is a given is that nobody reads the FAQs or searches the archives -- they just ask the question again. That does raise an issue, seems to me: Something that *would* be useful as an adjunct to (not a replacement for) the Finale mailing list would be a Finale Wiki that could serve as a FAQ. That could be collaboratively edited so that the topics could continually improve, and if you use something like WikiMedia (the platform used by Wikipedia), you can have discussions attached to each topic. This is something I'd gladly set up, though I'm not sure I can host it (it would likely generate additional traffic that could bump my hosting costs above what I'm already paying). Wordpress does not really fit a good, vibrant discussion list. Nor does forum software. I don't think blogging software works, but I don't see why forum software wouldn't. I'd certainly point out all the ways in which the existing web-based forum software is problematic and inferior to a mailing list, but that's not to say it's not a good fit. There are lots of vibrant communities out there that use forum software (I can name three technical forums that I participate in regularly, for instance). I agree that web-based forum software is not the best interface and is inferior to the simplicity and granularity of a mailing list. But it's not a fact that forum software can't host good, vibrant discussions. [] So, in theory what you propose sounds interesting, but in reality, it doesn't really offer anything better or easier. If you want to suggest something, maybe suggest something about making the archives easier to search since that is the real issue you are having. I think that's the key. Suggesting switching to blogging software is a proposed solution, but we originally didn't know for certain what the problem is that it's designed to solve. I've already addressed those issues today, and I don't think a blog would solve those problems at all, and even if they did, would do so at the sacrifice of a lot of useful functionality. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Why not a blog?
Finale Wiki that could serve as a FAQ I like this idea a lot. Love Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com Hm. 707 967 9491 Cell 707 235 5107 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Why not a blog?
Il 25-03-2010 19:42, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com ha scritto: On 26 Mar 2010 at 5:18, Nigel Hanley wrote: Thank you gentlemen, for your replies. Not being a contributor, but merely a casual drop-in, my suggestion is just that, a suggestion. Please take it in the spirit that it is tendered. I receive my posts from this list in digest form. For over ten years I have enjoyed this, but as blogging software, free blogging software, has become available, it seems pointless to continue with the email coloured comments indicating a thread. If you receive your post one by one, fine, but for those of us who don't, we are faced with a plethora of comments, and a needed search to find the original topic. Many modern email clients can present a mailing list digest as a threaded discussion. You should investigate whether yours can do that, and if it can't whether you might get great benefit to switching to one that can. Also, most modern email clients can thread individual messages, such that you can look at a folder of posts from the Finale list as a list of subjects and then select the subjects you want to read and view the messages in order on that subject. Again, if your email can't do it, then maybe you need a better email client. In both cases, you seem to me to be complaining that the list is not convenient enough for your personal use. Yet, it's not clear if you've checked out the options that you already have to make it more convenient for you. Here's another, using Google Reader to present a mailing list as an RSS feed: http://lifehacker.com/283353/turn-mailing-lists-into-an-rss-feed That would give you the same interface to new posts that a blog would in terms of allowing you to pick and choose what to read. A free Wordpress blog is designed to enable everybody in a group, such as this Finale group, to post a topic. All contributors, or authors, are able to post a new thread. Once that thread is established, comments are able to be made, should there be a comment to a particular comment, it is indented accordingly. Rather than waiting for emails, or digests as I do, it is simply a matter of checking the website. Or subscribing to it's RSS/Atom feed. Topics are trackable, the search window lists all appropriate topics or threads. If I want to know about the option-9 key for flipping accidentals, it will bring up all posts on that subject. Go ahead. Set it up. Nothing is stopping you. I would love to see this list move into the 21st Century. Just because a technology is new doesn't mean it is better for all purposes. From my point of view, a blog would offer a minor number of useful features that can't be obtained with the mailing list (see above) while losing a lot of the features that make a mailing list good. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
