{Spam} Re: [Finale] RE: OT: Historical Horn Notation Question (long!)
On 06.11.2010 19:26, Steve Larsen wrote: Everything I've learned about Brahms makes me doubt that he ever devoted time and energy to writing etudes for valved horn! What about the 12 Etudes for Trumpet (supposedly) by Brahms? Howard -- Howard Weiner h.wei...@online.de http://howard-weiner.de/ Help stamp out and eradicate superfluous redundancy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael)
Messiaen used soprano clef in Vingt Lecons d'Harmonie (1951). Being used to playing from C1 and various other clefs, I would be happy for them to make a come-back. Regards, Michael Lawlor - Original Message - 16. OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael) Message: 16 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 10:14:03 +0100 From: Florence + Michael launay-c...@gmx.net Subject: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts To: Finale List Mailing finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: 562964e3-4d2c-412a-93fa-31f92ae89...@gmx.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently received the conductor's score of Gounod's Faust (Henschelverlag Berlin, 1972). I was surprised to find C-clefs used for the voice parts in a score this recent: all female voices are written in soprano clef and the tenors in tenor clef. I thought this practice had died out in the 19th century. Can anybody point me to detailed information about the history of the use of C-clefs? And does anybody know of other 20th century editions that use them for voice parts? Michael -- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] RE: OT: Historical Horn Notation Question (long!)
On 11/6/2010 8:14 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 11/6/2010 2:26 PM, Steve Larsen wrote: Ray Horton wrote: I asked a knowledgeable horn-playing friend about your later question (which composers started writing for F horn all the time), and he promised me a copy if an interesting article on Brahms horn writing, so I should have more to add. I'll just say that I have been told that, even though Brahms wrote parts that were playable on natural horn, he probably never heard tham played on natural horn in his lifetime. He also wrote a book of etudes for valved horn! The last sentence took me aback somewhat: I thought I've been through every single one of Brahms' opus numbers and WoO and posthumous works, and I never encountered a book of etudes for valved horn! And I can't find any mention in New Groves. I think your friend may be mistaken about this. Can you ask for the specifics about the etude book? Kalmus publishes Ten Studies for Horn, supposedly by Brahms, but I can't find any reference to it in Brahms literature (notice that there is no mention of Ventilhorn or valved horn in the title). Incidentally, the studies look to me like they are all playable on natural horn, although the hand stopping would be challenging. Everything I've learned about Brahms makes me doubt that he ever devoted time and energy to writing etudes for valved horn! I have a book in my library of etudes purported to be written by Brahms, to aid a horn player who played in a local pub. I'm not in my office at the moment, but I'll try to find it tomorrow and post more information about it. The edition is a European one, if I remember correctly. I just found it in my library, with the following information: Johannes Brahms 12 Etuden fur Trompette (Horn) with dynamic markings and articulation by Max Zimolong, published by Musikverlag Hans Sikorski, Hamburg, copyright 1973. The preface is as follows: * Two Hamburg musicians, the chamber virtuoso Wescke and the hron player Hans Westermann -- who often used to play music with Brahms -- told me the following about the origin of the etudes: While playing in a pub with his father, a trumpet took part who had not at all the technical perfection as Johannes on the piano. In order to improve his embouchure and his velocity Brahms especially for him wrote some etudes which he handed over to him with the remark, Here I've written something for you. Have a good practice for . . . you know what I mean! All dynamic markings and articulations are to be meant as different proposals for practise [sic] and have been added by the editor. To avoid turns of page within the etudes, some pages were put into another rank. Brahms applied the sequences: 1-4, 12, 6, 5, 7-11. Hamburg, 1972 Max Zimolong, former solo horn player of the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra and the Dresden State Orchestra. * -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael)
On 7 Nov 2010 at 10:42, Michael Lawlor wrote: Messiaen used soprano clef in Vingt Lecons d'Harmonie (1951). Being used to playing from C1 and various other clefs, I would be happy for them to make a come-back. Hmm. Messiaen and Gounod. I seem to recall they have something in commmon...Maybe the movable clefs persisted longer in France. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael)
At 12:43 PM -0500 11/7/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Nov 2010 at 10:42, Michael Lawlor wrote: Messiaen used soprano clef in Vingt Lecons d'Harmonie (1951). Being used to playing from C1 and various other clefs, I would be happy for them to make a come-back. Hmm. Messiaen and Gounod. I seem to recall they have something in commmon...Maybe the movable clefs persisted longer in France. The fact that Boulanger was still teaching them supports that. And the German musicologists, of course. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Large format printers?
John, I was thinking of getting one of these printers like you got a couple weeks ago. I am wondering what your experience has been with the printer pros the 5100n. Any bumps? --- James James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, jjtk...@gmail.com jjtk...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for all your help everyone. I bought a refurbished 5100n from http://www.theprinterpros.com. I called HP and even though it's been discontinued, they were very helpful in describing it and answering my questions. It already has an ethernet port, so I should be good to go. John On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: On Thu Oct 21, at ThursdayOct 21 7:07 PM, jjtk...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Cecil Rigby rig...@att.net wrote: I, too, use the HP 5100 w/ duplexer, but I haven't had any of the problems Christopher's had. -Cecil Cecil, are you on Mac? Can you tell me what settings you use to create a booklet of four 8.5x11 pages on one sheet of 11x17 with the duplexer? I can't do this for love nor money without re-feeding the sheets. Respond privately if you think it will clutter up traffic (ha!) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Large format printers?
Hi James, So far so good. The printer works fine. The HP5100tn arrived in what I would call good used condition. They advertised that it had the maintenance kit installed, and I also bought a compatible toner cartridge for $99 from them, since they sell it without the cartridge. See if you can specify a real HP cartridge. Mine works fine now, but the first 20 or so pages had a few small random toner spots. The price was really good, but they offer no warranty. Also, it's kind of hard to get them on the phone after the sale, but they answer emails promptly. They included no installation instructions, but I was able to get their tech guy to explain to me how to hook it up via ethernet. My opinion is that they have great prices on used HP printers, and their customer service is adequate. If your computer does not have a parallel port, you need to get the 5100tn, which has a built-in ethernet port, which connects to your router (not your computer). The 5100 has no USB or Firewire support. John On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 5:59 PM, James Cooper j...@modez.com wrote: John, I was thinking of getting one of these printers like you got a couple weeks ago. I am wondering what your experience has been with the printer pros the 5100n. Any bumps? --- James James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, jjtk...@gmail.com jjtk...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for all your help everyone. I bought a refurbished 5100n from http://www.theprinterpros.com. I called HP and even though it's been discontinued, they were very helpful in describing it and answering my questions. It already has an ethernet port, so I should be good to go. John On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: On Thu Oct 21, at ThursdayOct 21 7:07 PM, jjtk...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Cecil Rigby rig...@att.net wrote: I, too, use the HP 5100 w/ duplexer, but I haven't had any of the problems Christopher's had. -Cecil Cecil, are you on Mac? Can you tell me what settings you use to create a booklet of four 8.5x11 pages on one sheet of 11x17 with the duplexer? I can't do this for love nor money without re-feeding the sheets. Respond privately if you think it will clutter up traffic (ha!) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2011b now available
In case you haven't heard, this update has been available for a few days. Here are the bug fixes (specific to MacOS): Expressions Expressions are no longer duplicated and linked to one another in specific files. File menu Opening a specific file no longer causes a crash. Fonts All Finale document fonts are now recognized in other MakeMusic products including SmartMusic, PrintMusic, Finale NotePad and Finale Reader. Font type names now work consistently in non-U.S. operating systems. Lyrics All lyrics, including those on the first system, now update when their fonts are changed via the Lyric Window. Installation Changes to a user¹s ³Configuration Files² location no longer cause the updater to rename the MacOS folder within the Finale application. The updater no longer changes the MacOS folder within the Finale application. Hope this helps, Brian Williams ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
