Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
Hello Eric! Am 28.02.2011 um 22:41 schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I don't think I'd want Finale 3.2 resurrected on a modern platform anymore than I'd want Photoshop 1.0 even if the source code was available and someone toiled on it for no financial gain to make it run. What happens if something goes wrong? Something can go wrong with Finale, too. What if my Score for this Grammy piece I was working on yesterday didn't save or won't open anymore. Or if none of them open anymore? All this can happen with Finale, too. I'll stick to paid software thanks. The main difference is not paid vs. unpaid. It is open (for examination and tweaking or repair) or closed. If closed, like Finale or Sibelius, only the original Software company can help with bugs, correct them and probably repair broken files. As long as this particular company exists. Just imagine yourself being only be able to be healed if sick by teh doctor who got you out of you mother's belly. Open source software can by maintained and bugs can be fixed by virtually anyone. Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Violin string marks
At 8:34 AM +0100 3/1/11, Pierre Bailleul wrote: Hi all, Do you know the placement from the bottom up of string mark (II or D) with fingering and bowing mark : - all above and only string mark below? - all above? Thanks. Pierre Quite honestly it's been a long time since I've seen a string designation in music, but I think I would EXPECT to see it above, along with all the other specific instructions, with dynamics below. My rule of thumb (rather than a hard-and-fast rule) would be to group things together so they can be seen and acted on at a single glance, and not force the player's eyes to jump up and down and re-integrate all the conflicting instructions mentally. And if you need more space between staves, then so be it! Last night I was reading some music that had been heavily covered with down- and up-bow markings in pencil, and when things got a little hairy I had to choose between reading the notes and rhythms or the bowings. The notes won! Next time I'll have the bowings integrated. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
Hi all, In my experience, Finale 2011b is one of the best Finale versions for converting older Finale files. When we do Finale file translations here, we need to get files into at least Finale 2004 to export the MusicXML with the best possible results - and the later the Finale version, the better. We used to have to go through Finale 2008 to avoid problems, but 2011b seems to read the old files directly very well. It's now our version of choice for converting old Finale files into other formats. MusicXML is designed with archival needs in mind. When moving Finale files back to an earlier version, most of the lossiness comes during the import process, not the export. It is technically possible to add formatting data to the import, but we haven't seen enough customer demand for that feature to justify the development expense. Perhaps that is changing? We are currently in the process of designing and developing MusicXML 3.0, which should be released within the next few months. If you are interested in participating, signup for the MusicXML mailing list is available at: http://www.recordare.com/musicxml/mailing-list At the moment, the combination of original source, MusicXML, PDF, and digital audio files makes for a good (if imperfect) archival file set for music notation files. As Dennis mentions, this is a small part of the electroacoustic music archival problem. But for many composers and songwriters, it solves a lot of the problem. If you have files in other formats that you need to move into Finale, our file translation and preservation services may help. We keep a collection of older hardware and software around to help us offer this service. There's more information on these services at: http://www.recordare.com/company/consulting/file-translation-request Does anybody have a lead on a fully working System 7 Mac in the Silicon Valley, California area that could run Music Construction Set and other old Mac notation software? It would also need support for floppy or other removable media so we could move files back and forth. It would be great to have that to expand our collection of older Mac hardware. We already have an iMac running OS 9 that we use for Mosaic and HB Engraver files. Best regards, Michael Good Recordare LLC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
Am 28.02.2011 um 23:47 schrieb David W. Fenton: On 28 Feb 2011 at 22:35, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 28.02.2011 um 21:22 schrieb David W. Fenton: I don't think conversion is really an option, as it requires completely redoing the layout (or, at least, proofing to make sure the layout is unchanged). That may be the case today. It will be the case for these older versions forever. Only until someone writes a better converter for these. Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
Hello David! Am 28.02.2011 um 23:56 schrieb David W. Fenton: On 28 Feb 2011 at 23:26, Gerhard Torges wrote: The main difference is not paid vs. unpaid. It is open (for examination and tweaking or repair) or closed. If open source software was not so bad in terms of user interface, this might be compelling. That's a big disadvantage I have to admit. As well, there's the issue of how you find somebody to do the fixing. You have to have a programmer who understands the codebase, or all the openness will do you no good whatsoever. Of course, right. But it won't to any bad, either. :-) It's a very Libertarian kind of thing, which is one of the reasons I have a lot of suspicion of the hype. So that's an interesting statement. You're from the US, right? So what is so bad about Liberty? I'm a full supporter of the Open Source movement, and use a lot of Open Source software (MySQL, Apache, PHP, Audacity, and probably others I'm forgetting). But they zealots definitely overpromise for it, which is one of the reasons it is so often dismissed by so many. Yes. I think the zealots are so proud that they've achieved so much they tend to be more enthusiastic than would be justified by a neutral comparison to commercial software. Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
Hello Richard! Am 01.03.2011 um 00:46 schrieb Richard Yates: As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an entire generation be lost? Not if it's taken care of. This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of machines of any kind. Paper. Write down your works on paper, an they'll last. Gerhard Yes and, before long, music scanning software will have advanced sufficiently to import it. This could take a while. :-) BTW: Are you related to guitarist Stanley Yates? Regards, Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
Hello Dennis! Am 01.03.2011 um 00:47 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: On Mon, February 28, 2011 5:16 pm, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 28.02.2011 um 21:54 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an entire generation be lost? Not if it's taken care of. This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of machines of any kind. Paper. Write down your works on paper, an they'll last. Scores. Recordings. Videos. Scores. Costumes. Electroacoustics. Devices. It's an archive, and in the age of technology, the tiniest speck is on paper. Unfortunately, as we realize now. In ancient Greece, I'm sure the poets also hat costumes, masks etc. for a play. And they would have recorded them if they had been able to. But they weren't, and so only their texts remain. And these texts are valuable enough, don't you think? I mean, what's the essence of these works? Can't that be put on paper? And the question remains: Who will do this? Translation: Who will pay for it? Anyone who cares. Anyone who thinks there's enough value in it to be preserved for future generations. Don't you think? Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
On 1 Mar 2011 at 22:03, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 28.02.2011 um 23:47 schrieb David W. Fenton: On 28 Feb 2011 at 22:35, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 28.02.2011 um 21:22 schrieb David W. Fenton: I don't think conversion is really an option, as it requires completely redoing the layout (or, at least, proofing to make sure the layout is unchanged). That may be the case today. It will be the case for these older versions forever. Only until someone writes a better converter for these. No one is ever going to do this. There are simply no incentives to do so, particularly since the file format is completely undocumented and changes from version to version. I'm not even sure if it would be legal to do so, as reverse engineering proprietary data structures is one of those things that has landed any number of people in court. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Gerhard Torges Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:17 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps Hello Richard! Am 01.03.2011 um 00:46 schrieb Richard Yates: As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an entire generation be lost? Not if it's taken care of. This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of machines of any kind. Paper. Write down your works on paper, an they'll last. Gerhard Yes and, before long, music scanning software will have advanced sufficiently to import it. This could take a while. :-) BTW: Are you related to guitarist Stanley Yates? Regards, Gerhard Not that we know of. My 'Yates' ancestor came over from England in 1876. I think Stanley was born there. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
On 1 Mar 2011 at 22:10, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 28.02.2011 um 23:56 schrieb David W. Fenton: It's a very Libertarian kind of thing, which is one of the reasons I have a lot of suspicion of the hype. So that's an interesting statement. You're from the US, right? So what is so bad about Liberty? Not liberty, LIBERTARIAN, and with a capital L as opposed to small-l libertarian. There's a very specific mindset involved. Reduced to its most absurd, capital-L American Libertarians are the type who would argue that the solution to poverty is simply that the poor need to be rich, and then all their problems would be solved. Since there's nothing preventing them from earning more money, it's their own problem if they are still poor. Similarly, the open source crowd tries to suggest that all that is required in order to have all the perfect software you need is to use Open Source, and the features you want will magically program themselves. The details about finding a qualified programmer who has the time and the interest (as well as that minor detail of raising the funds to pay your programmer) are conveniently omitted. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
On Tue, March 1, 2011 4:15 pm, Gerhard Torges wrote: In ancient Greece, I'm sure the poets also hat costumes, masks etc. for a play. And they would have recorded them if they had been able to. But they weren't, and so only their texts remain. And these texts are valuable enough, don't you think? Certainly not! And since electroacoustic music depends on, well, electronics, the future is dim for that work. I mean, what's the essence of these works? Can't that be put on paper? Absolutely not. And how long do you think even a Finale printout will last, whether laser (short) or inkjet (longer)? We don't have printer technology that uses surface-bonding ink (such as letterpress or offset) except at the most expensive levels of production. And the question remains: Who will do this? Translation: Who will pay for it? Anyone who cares. Anyone who thinks there's enough value in it to be preserved for future generations. Don't you think? Not sure what planet you live on, Gerhard! Even 'famous' archives have gone begging these days. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Violin string marks
Thanks for your aid. As a pianist I have no experience in reading sheet music violin. And rules for positionning the fingering are really different... Pierre -Message d'origine- From: John Howell Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:58 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Violin string marks At 8:34 AM +0100 3/1/11, Pierre Bailleul wrote: Hi all, Do you know the placement from the bottom up of string mark (II or D) with fingering and bowing mark : - all above and only string mark below? - all above? Thanks. Pierre Quite honestly it's been a long time since I've seen a string designation in music, but I think I would EXPECT to see it above, along with all the other specific instructions, with dynamics below. My rule of thumb (rather than a hard-and-fast rule) would be to group things together so they can be seen and acted on at a single glance, and not force the player's eyes to jump up and down and re-integrate all the conflicting instructions mentally. And if you need more space between staves, then so be it! Last night I was reading some music that had been heavily covered with down- and up-bow markings in pencil, and when things got a little hairy I had to choose between reading the notes and rhythms or the bowings. The notes won! Next time I'll have the bowings integrated. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
