[Finale] beaming
Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
Hi Chris, This is true, but Larry also needs to go to Document Options - Beams and turn off Include Rests when Beaming in Groups of Four (and also turn off Beam Three Eighth Notes Before/After an Eighth Rest if desired). Then follow your steps. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?)
If, for example you are wanting a horn part (french horn) not to show a key signature, in Fin2012 it's simply a matter of going to the score manager, select the instrument, click on transposition - other - then tick chromatic. The key signature will disappear and all the sharps or flats appear as accidentals. I've lost your original post so forgive me if this is not what you mean. Cheers, Lawrence On 21 December 2012 19:40, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote: Does that not simply hide the key signature but not show the accidentals either, thus making the parts unusable? Cheers, Lawrence On 21 December 2012 19:10, Steven Larsen st...@larsenbein.com wrote: Forgive me if I've duplicated a post, or if this isn't really what you're after, but: If there are other parts, and they have key signatures, go to Staff Attributes for the part you are editing and select Key Signature as an Independent Element. Then go to Measure Attributes, Key Signature and select Always Hide. Steve Larsen -Original Message- From: William Sinclair [mailto:billsi...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:15 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?) By stave setup do you mean the key signature tools option? If I want to transpose from C up a major 6th for example, it puts 3 sharps in the key signature. Something I want to avoid. The other choices are hold notes to chromatic pitches or hold notes enharmonically. I don't want those either - I don't WANT to hold the notes. I WANT TO TRANSPOSE IT and still have the no flats or sharps KS. The other possibility on the staff tools is B flat or E flat transposition -- which doesn't wotk either. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?)
Simply using chromatic transposition only works if the piece has no key signature or is C. Further steps (described in my previous post) are required if you want no key signature on, say, a horn part but do want a key signature on, say, the violin part. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.comwrote: If, for example you are wanting a horn part (french horn) not to show a key signature, in Fin2012 it's simply a matter of going to the score manager, select the instrument, click on transposition - other - then tick chromatic. The key signature will disappear and all the sharps or flats appear as accidentals. I've lost your original post so forgive me if this is not what you mean. Cheers, Lawrence On 21 December 2012 19:40, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote: Does that not simply hide the key signature but not show the accidentals either, thus making the parts unusable? Cheers, Lawrence On 21 December 2012 19:10, Steven Larsen st...@larsenbein.com wrote: Forgive me if I've duplicated a post, or if this isn't really what you're after, but: If there are other parts, and they have key signatures, go to Staff Attributes for the part you are editing and select Key Signature as an Independent Element. Then go to Measure Attributes, Key Signature and select Always Hide. Steve Larsen -Original Message- From: William Sinclair [mailto:billsi...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:15 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?) By stave setup do you mean the key signature tools option? If I want to transpose from C up a major 6th for example, it puts 3 sharps in the key signature. Something I want to avoid. The other choices are hold notes to chromatic pitches or hold notes enharmonically. I don't want those either - I don't WANT to hold the notes. I WANT TO TRANSPOSE IT and still have the no flats or sharps KS. The other possibility on the staff tools is B flat or E flat transposition -- which doesn't wotk either. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?)
Good grief, Robert, you're right - I had never seen that before. What a pain! On 21 December 2012 19:56, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.comwrote: Simply using chromatic transposition only works if the piece has no key signature or is C. Further steps (described in my previous post) are required if you want no key signature on, say, a horn part but do want a key signature on, say, the violin part. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?)
Well, except it's not that much of a pain. If all of Finale's pains were that small, I would be very happy indeed. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.comwrote: Good grief, Robert, you're right - I had never seen that before. What a pain! On 21 December 2012 19:56, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: Simply using chromatic transposition only works if the piece has no key signature or is C. Further steps (described in my previous post) are required if you want no key signature on, say, a horn part but do want a key signature on, say, the violin part. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
Hi Darcy, Do those settings affect cut time as well as common time? I seem to recall setting up 4/4 but displaying cut time previously in order to access those features. Don Hart On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Chris, This is true, but Larry also needs to go to Document Options - Beams and turn off Include Rests when Beaming in Groups of Four (and also turn off Beam Three Eighth Notes Before/After an Eighth Rest if desired). Then follow your steps. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
They affect what happens when you choose Cut Time (beam as 4/4) for your time signature, as Chris suggested -- this is effectively the same thing as setting up 4/4 but choosing cut time for display. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Darcy, Do those settings affect cut time as well as common time? I seem to recall setting up 4/4 but displaying cut time previously in order to access those features. Don Hart On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Chris, This is true, but Larry also needs to go to Document Options - Beams and turn off Include Rests when Beaming in Groups of Four (and also turn off Beam Three Eighth Notes Before/After an Eighth Rest if desired). Then follow your steps. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 20 (no Key signature)
It looks like it has to be done in TWO STEPS: (1) Use regular transposition to transpose the notes at whatever interval is needed, and then (2) Transpose the KS back to C, saying hold notes to pitches. I don't see a way to do it in one step. Maybe the newer Finale allows that? -Original Message- From: finale-request finale-requ...@shsu.edu To: finale finale@shsu.edu Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:00 am Subject: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 20 Send Finale mailing list submissions to finale@shsu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to finale-requ...@shsu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at finale-ow...@shsu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Finale digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: slightly OT: ScoreCleaner (SN jef chippewa) 2. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?) (William Sinclair) 3. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?) (Robert Patterson) 4. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 19 (No key signature option ?) (Christopher Smith) 5. beaming (Lawrence David Eden) 6. Re: beaming (Christopher Smith) Attached Message From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] slightly OT: ScoreCleaner Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:04:54 +0100 don't see the point of this software if used as a notation programme verson 2.5 (!) adds the long awaited feature of display for transposing instruments, as well as other unique features such as dynamics (!?!?!), slurs, repeat / repeat endings and copy-paste. can't open smf files, but i don't work with midi so maybe this is nothing the only possible interest i can see is if the transcription engine was effective beyond triplets. there is a palette hat seems to allow up to 7-let with one click and a wildcard tuplet, but i never figured out how to get it tot work. as far as a notation programme goes, quite banal. editing entries is incredibly clunky and seems very limited. then it crashed and i said screw it Attached Message From: William Sinclair billsi...@aol.com To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113,Issue 19 (No key signature option ?) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:14:36 -0500 By stave setup do you mean the key signature tools option? If I want to transpose from C up a major 6th for example, it puts 3 sharps in the key signature. Something I want to avoid. The other choices are hold notes to chromatic pitches or hold notes enharmonically. I don't want those either - I don't WANT to hold the notes. I WANT TO TRANSPOSE IT and still have the no flats or sharps KS. The other possibility on the staff tools is B flat or E flat transposition -- which doesn't wotk either. Attached Message From: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 113,Issue 19 (No key signature option ?) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:57:04 -0600 If the music has no key signature, use the Chromatic Transposition option. (Google the instructions if you don't know how.) If the music has changing key signatures, but you don't want that particular instrument to have a key signature (e.g., horn parts in Brahms), do the following. 1. Set the staff to have an independent key signature. 2. Set the key sig for that staff equal to the key of transposition. (F for horn in F) 3. Set normal transposition on the staff. (F transposition) On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:14 PM, William Sinclair billsi...@aol.com wrote: By stave setup do you mean the key signature tools option? If I want to transpose from C up a major 6th for example, it
[Finale] Changing a 12/8 piece to 4/4
I have a piece I did in 12/8, and want to convert it to 4/4. Is there an easy way to do this? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
