Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Chuck Israels]

So far, so good.  

Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):

Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014

Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files and 
Plugins.

Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5

Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will be in 
the right place and work correctly.  Easy.

One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color and 
the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects the 
other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more important, so I 
am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else have a similar 
experience or know a workaround.  This particular color adjustment seems rather 
finicky.

Thanks,

Chuck



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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

It confazzled me for 30 seconds too…

Steve P.

> On 17 Nov 2015, at 22:12, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The oddest first thing I found about Finale 2014.5 (before taking it for a
> drive) is that after reading the list of fixes and improvements, there is
> no indication anywhere on the pop-up menu as to how to download it!
> 
> After some confusion, you discover you have to click on "*learn more*" –
> not a button that would say "*get it now*" or "*download now*". Although it
> does say up top, "do you want to download?" – no telling how you might.
> 
> Finale, when you offer a new version, have a download button in the pop up
> window or explain that you need to click "learn more" to get the new
> version. It's a totally superficial criticism, but a valid one. This is not
> a complaint, however, and I wish us all good luck with this one.
> 
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[Finale] Measure number regions bug

[Aaron Sherber]

Hi all,

Working in FinWin2011. I've got a piece with several measure number
regions, including a few bars that are excluded from numbering -- either
through measure attributes, or because they sit in between defined regions.

I'm finding that when I do something like change a key signature or time
signature, or apply a barline style, it doesn't get applied to the bar I
actually clicked on -- it winds up a few bars later in the piece.

I'm assuming this is a known issue -- is there a workaround? Is it fixed in
later versions? (I have 2012 and 2014 but would rather stay with 2011 for
this until it becomes insufferable.)

Thanks,
Aaron.
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Re: [Finale] Measure number regions bug

[Christopher Smith]

This bug is related to the “include in measure numbering” measure attribute, 
not the measure number regions. This affects many tools, so what I suggest is 
to NOT unclick “include in measure numbering” until you are ready to format and 
print.

Christopher


> On Nov 17, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Aaron Sherber  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Working in FinWin2011. I've got a piece with several measure number
> regions, including a few bars that are excluded from numbering -- either
> through measure attributes, or because they sit in between defined regions.
> 
> I'm finding that when I do something like change a key signature or time
> signature, or apply a barline style, it doesn't get applied to the bar I
> actually clicked on -- it winds up a few bars later in the piece.
> 
> I'm assuming this is a known issue -- is there a workaround? Is it fixed in
> later versions? (I have 2012 and 2014 but would rather stay with 2011 for
> this until it becomes insufferable.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Aaron.
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Re: [Finale] Measure number regions bug

[Fiskum, Steve]

The fix is to change display measure numbers to "actual" instead of "defined"  
within the preferences. 

Let me know if you have any further questions. 

Steve 

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Aaron Sherber  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Working in FinWin2011. I've got a piece with several measure number
> regions, including a few bars that are excluded from numbering -- either
> through measure attributes, or because they sit in between defined regions.
> 
> I'm finding that when I do something like change a key signature or time
> signature, or apply a barline style, it doesn't get applied to the bar I
> actually clicked on -- it winds up a few bars later in the piece.
> 
> I'm assuming this is a known issue -- is there a workaround? Is it fixed in
> later versions? (I have 2012 and 2014 but would rather stay with 2011 for
> this until it becomes insufferable.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Aaron.
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Re: [Finale] Measure number regions bug

[Aaron Sherber]

Thanks to all -- not ideal solutions, but at least they let me get my 
work done.

Aaron.



On 11/17/2015 6:54 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
> This bug is related to the “include in measure numbering” measure 
> attribute, not the measure number regions. This affects many tools, so what I 
> suggest is to NOT unclick “include in measure numbering” until you are 
> ready to format and print.
>
> Christopher
>
>
>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Aaron Sherber  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Working in FinWin2011. I've got a piece with several measure number
>> regions, including a few bars that are excluded from numbering -- either
>> through measure attributes, or because they sit in between defined regions.
>>
>> I'm finding that when I do something like change a key signature or time
>> signature, or apply a barline style, it doesn't get applied to the bar I
>> actually clicked on -- it winds up a few bars later in the piece.
>>
>> I'm assuming this is a known issue -- is there a workaround? Is it fixed in
>> later versions? (I have 2012 and 2014 but would rather stay with 2011 for
>> this until it becomes insufferable.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aaron.
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are they 
there for you?

The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool palette 
the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools hidden.

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> So far, so good.  
> 
> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> 
> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> 
> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files and 
> Plugins.
> 
> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> 
> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will be 
> in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> 
> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color and 
> the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects the 
> other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more important, so I 
> am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else have a similar 
> experience or know a workaround.  This particular color adjustment seems 
> rather finicky.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net 
> (360) 201-3434
> 
> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> Portland Or 97202
> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
Finale 2014.5.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are
> they there for you?
>
> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools
> hidden.
>
> Steve P.
>
> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> >
> > So far, so good.
> >
> > Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> >
> > Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> >
> > Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files
> and Plugins.
> >
> > Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> >
> > Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will
> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> >
> > One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color
> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects
> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
> adjustment seems rather finicky.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck Israels
> > cisra...@comcast.net 
> > (360) 201-3434
> >
> > 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> > Portland Or 97202
> >
> > 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Aaron Rabushka]

Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a slur? I
have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed ties, but the
system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.

Aaron J. Rabushka
Finale 14, Windows 8.1

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Aaron,

I usually use beat-attached dotted-slurs for that. You may find my Smart
Shape Editor helpful for precision editing of beat-locations with spacial
offsets, since the beat-attached UI is not implements for dotted slurs.
(They work, but the UI is still the pre-Fin12 UI.) And you may find my Mass
Copy plugin useful for copying them.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Aaron Rabushka 
wrote:

> Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a slur? I
> have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed ties, but the
> system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.
>
> Aaron J. Rabushka
> Finale 14, Windows 8.1
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Philip Brink]

I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are
concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come in BB
flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The trill you
mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the others it
should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as it has to be
played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve. Good luck!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka 
wrote:

> Two off-topic questions:
>
> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill
> from
> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.
>
> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've been
> looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register of a
> lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
>
> Aaron J. Rabushka
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Aaron Rabushka]

Two off-topic questions:

1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill from
f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.

2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've been
looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register of a
lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.

Aaron J. Rabushka

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Aaron Rabushka]

Thanks Robert! Where do I get them?

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Subject: Re: [Finale] 2014.5

Aaron,

I usually use beat-attached dotted-slurs for that. You may find my Smart
Shape Editor helpful for precision editing of beat-locations with spacial
offsets, since the beat-attached UI is not implements for dotted slurs.
(They work, but the UI is still the pre-Fin12 UI.) And you may find my Mass
Copy plugin useful for copying them.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Aaron Rabushka 
wrote:

> Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a 
> slur? I have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed 
> ties, but the system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.
>
> Aaron J. Rabushka
> Finale 14, Windows 8.1
>
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Williams, Jim]

Tuba trills: f# to g# in the staff would be fingered:
2/3 to 1 on a BBb. A bit awkward.Alternate fingering would be quite out of tune
2 to 2/3 on a CC Tuba. Easy.
2 to 1 on an Eb tuba. Easy. Sorry, but other poster was not correct.
1/2 to 2 on an F tuba. Easy.
I have avoided any options of 5th or 6th valves, as the setups are quite varied.
Jim Williams (student of Harvey Phillips)

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Philip Brink  wrote:
> 
> I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are
> concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come in BB
> flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The trill you
> mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the others it
> should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as it has to be
> played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve. Good luck!
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka 
> wrote:
> 
>> Two off-topic questions:
>> 
>> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill
>> from
>> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.
>> 
>> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've been
>> looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register of a
>> lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
>> 
>> Aaron J. Rabushka
>> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Philip Brink]

Sorry - my instrument is the trombone...

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Williams, Jim <
jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:

> Tuba trills: f# to g# in the staff would be fingered:
> 2/3 to 1 on a BBb. A bit awkward.Alternate fingering would be quite out of
> tune
> 2 to 2/3 on a CC Tuba. Easy.
> 2 to 1 on an Eb tuba. Easy. Sorry, but other poster was not correct.
> 1/2 to 2 on an F tuba. Easy.
> I have avoided any options of 5th or 6th valves, as the setups are quite
> varied.
> Jim Williams (student of Harvey Phillips)
>
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>
> > On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Philip Brink  wrote:
> >
> > I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are
> > concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come in
> BB
> > flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The trill you
> > mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the others it
> > should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as it has to be
> > played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve. Good luck!
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka <
> arabus...@austin.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Two off-topic questions:
> >>
> >> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill
> >> from
> >> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.
> >>
> >> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've
> been
> >> looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register
> of a
> >> lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
> >>
> >> Aaron J. Rabushka
> >>
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Fiskum, Steve]

Hello Robert,

I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything other 
than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities" and 
"staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown prefs, etc... 
When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated Sept. 23, 2015. Mass 
Copy's version number is 5.01. 
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Steve

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
> Finale 2014.5.
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are
>> they there for you?
>> 
>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools
>> hidden.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, so good.
>>> 
>>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>>> 
>>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>>> 
>>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files
>> and Plugins.
>>> 
>>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>>> 
>>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will
>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>>> 
>>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color
>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects
>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck Israels
>>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>>> (360) 201-3434
>>> 
>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>> Portland Or 97202
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Same place as note-attached. You just have to select beat-attached from the
smart shape menu.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Rabushka 
wrote:

> Thanks Robert! Where do I get them?
>
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> Robert Patterson
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> Subject: Re: [Finale] 2014.5
>
> Aaron,
>
> I usually use beat-attached dotted-slurs for that. You may find my Smart
> Shape Editor helpful for precision editing of beat-locations with spacial
> offsets, since the beat-attached UI is not implements for dotted slurs.
> (They work, but the UI is still the pre-Fin12 UI.) And you may find my Mass
> Copy plugin useful for copying them.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Aaron Rabushka 
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know of a trick to get dashed ties for every note of a
> > slur? I have a 3-part chord that should properly have three dashed
> > ties, but the system will only let me use one through Smart Shapes.
> >
> > Aaron J. Rabushka
> > Finale 14, Windows 8.1
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[Finale] El Capitan cpapble FINALE 20014.5 released

[Howey, Henry]

BUT, no word from AVID yet, so if you use SIBELIUS, wait;-)


Henry Howey
Professor of Music
  Sam Houston State University
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Dean Rosenthal]

Hi,

The oddest first thing I found about Finale 2014.5 (before taking it for a
drive) is that after reading the list of fixes and improvements, there is
no indication anywhere on the pop-up menu as to how to download it!

After some confusion, you discover you have to click on "*learn more*" –
not a button that would say "*get it now*" or "*download now*". Although it
does say up top, "do you want to download?" – no telling how you might.

Finale, when you offer a new version, have a download button in the pop up
window or explain that you need to click "learn more" to get the new
version. It's a totally superficial criticism, but a valid one. This is not
a complaint, however, and I wish us all good luck with this one.

Dean

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Dean Rosenthal
www.deanrosenthal.org
www.stonespiece.com
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

A lot longer than 30 seconds for me.  If you do "check for updates" from 
within Finale, then you get useful instructions, but none of that is in 
the Readme or in the announcement email.

You won't find this in the downloads section like other patches.  The 
procedure is to log onto you account at the Finale site.  By to "your 
software"  That will indicate  Finale 2014 available for download.  Even 
though it says it is 2014, it is actually 2014.5.




On 11/17/2015 6:24 PM, Steve Parker wrote:
> It confazzled me for 30 seconds too…
>

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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Dave Lang]

> Even though it says it is 2014, it is actually 2014.5

I don’t understand how things like this get rolled out in 2015. We were 
laughing about it when I was still working in tech back in 1992. Disconcerting. 
Like a trumpet player who shows up without any valve oil.

I’m happy the update was released.  While this version has introduced new bugs, 
it did squash some others that directly affected me every time I worked on a 
file.

A pretty mediocre performance, though.

Hopefully work will continue and they’ll do better next time.

cheers
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