Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

2015-11-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee 
There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with 
2014.5.  I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet, 
and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause.

If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders 
there.  That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used 
dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.)

If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split 
these out to 2 separate GPO instruments.  You can do this in Score 
manager.  There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands 
to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a 
different GPO channel.  And also in the Score Manager, you should be 
able to set the base volume for that layer.




On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet  line  in
> the middle of working on a piece  but it is playing back  much too loudly .
> I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes
> back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is sharing
> a staff with clarinet 2.  What am I missing? Thanks for any help.
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Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

2015-11-21 Thread Raymond Horton 
Ok, now I see that Craig said base volume score manager, not Aria.  I
recall seeing volume settings in score manager in an earlier life but I
don't see it now. Thanks for all suggestions
On Nov 21, 2015 8:40 AM, "Craig Parmerlee"  wrote:

> There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with
> 2014.5.  I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet,
> and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause.
>
> If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders
> there.  That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used
> dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.)
>
> If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split
> these out to 2 separate GPO instruments.  You can do this in Score
> manager.  There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands
> to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a
> different GPO channel.  And also in the Score Manager, you should be
> able to set the base volume for that layer.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> > Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet  line
> in
> > the middle of working on a piece  but it is playing back  much too
> loudly .
> > I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes
> > back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is
> sharing
> > a staff with clarinet 2.  What am I missing? Thanks for any help.
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Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

2015-11-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee 
On 11/21/2015 11:29 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Ok, now I see that Craig said base volume score manager, not Aria.  I
> recall seeing volume settings in score manager in an earlier life but I
> don't see it now. Thanks for all suggestions


There is a button on the score manager that allows you to select the 
columns you want to see.  It seems that with 2014.5, they left the 
volume off by default.  But you can select it.
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Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

2015-11-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee 
Yes, you can set that volume in the Score Manager, not in the Aria 
Mixer.  DO not use the Aria Mixer volume sliders.  They are controlled 
dynamically by Finale to adjust playback nuances.

Go into score manager and assign instruments at the layer level, not at 
the staff level.  In the Score Manager, there is a button that lets you 
choose the columns you want to see.  One of those columns is the base 
volume.  If you have put the Bass Clarinet layer into its own 
instrument, you can set the base level for that instrument as you wish.



On 11/21/2015 8:32 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Ok, I don't see any base volume control in the Aria mixer, but the
> modulation control helped quite a bit.
>
> Does anyone have any system for setting volumes and balance with GPO? I
> keep running into instances where instruments do not respond to dynamics in
> the music, etc, and balance changes when I'm not looking.
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

2015-11-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee 
Regarding my cases of instruments getting too quiet, i have always 
suspected spurious MIDI data.  But I recently went to the trouble of 
building my whole score from scratch, then doing a copy in of just the 
notes, not any of the MIDI data.  And the problem soon returned (after 
just a few minutes)

A shutdown and restart of MIDI doesn't clear it.  The only thing I have 
found that clears the condition is to go into the Aria panel and EMPTY 
the instrument, then load it again.  Simply RELOADing does not clear it.

And here is a curious observation.  The problem happens most often on 
Trombone 3.  It is possible that it ONLY happens on Trombone 3, as there 
may have been good explanations for any volume issues on other 
instruments (mute keyswitches on, etc)  I switched to the JABB3 Trombone 
4 sounds and so far have not had the problem at all.

On 11/21/2015 10:11 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
> I am wondering if some random MIDI data found its way into the file. Have you 
> tried to clean out data using the MIDI tool?
>

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Re: [Finale] New Bugs 2014.5

2015-11-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee 
FWIW, I have been keeping a list of the bizarre behaviors I have seen 
with 2014.5.  I have about 10 new bugs that never happened to me before 
now and several of the most annoying prior problems that have not been 
addressed.

One of the things that drove me crazy was the bugs in the Cautionary 
Accidentals.  Supposedly this was fixed in 2014.5, but it isn't.  The 
plug-in does far more harm than good.  I used this on every score back 
in 2012.  Now I have to do all that manually to make sure it doesn't get 
screwed up.  The fact that this was on the list of fixes tells me there 
isn't a very good understanding of some of the problems.

On balance, I think 2014.5 is at least a small step forward.



On 11/21/2015 6:34 PM, Steve Parker wrote:
> Flipped ties keep reverting. Staff styles also keep going back to initial 
> state.
>
> Steve P.
>
>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 19:23, Steve Parker  wrote:
>>
>> I seem to have a few new bugs in 2014.5.
>>
>> Some expressions are un-deletable with the delete key, but delete if 
>> selected then deleted from the control-click menu.
>> Sometimes stop and pause (and the spacebar) won’t stop playback which 
>> continues for a few bars or to the end.
>>
>> Finale also seems to be loading up instruments that are not in the score.
>>
>> Steve P.
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Re: [Finale] New Bugs 2014.5

2015-11-21 Thread Steve Parker 
Flipped ties keep reverting. Staff styles also keep going back to initial state.

Steve P.

> On 21 Nov 2015, at 19:23, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
> I seem to have a few new bugs in 2014.5.
> 
> Some expressions are un-deletable with the delete key, but delete if selected 
> then deleted from the control-click menu.
> Sometimes stop and pause (and the spacebar) won’t stop playback which 
> continues for a few bars or to the end.
> 
> Finale also seems to be loading up instruments that are not in the score.
> 
> Steve P.
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[Finale] New Bugs 2014.5

2015-11-21 Thread Steve Parker 
I seem to have a few new bugs in 2014.5.

Some expressions are un-deletable with the delete key, but delete if selected 
then deleted from the control-click menu.
Sometimes stop and pause (and the spacebar) won’t stop playback which continues 
for a few bars or to the end.

Finale also seems to be loading up instruments that are not in the score.

Steve P.
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Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

2015-11-21 Thread Raymond Horton 
Ok, I don't see any base volume control in the Aria mixer, but the
modulation control helped quite a bit.

Does anyone have any system for setting volumes and balance with GPO? I
keep running into instances where instruments do not respond to dynamics in
the music, etc, and balance changes when I'm not looking.
Thanks!
On Nov 21, 2015 8:40 AM, "Craig Parmerlee"  wrote:

> There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with
> 2014.5.  I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet,
> and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause.
>
> If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders
> there.  That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used
> dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.)
>
> If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split
> these out to 2 separate GPO instruments.  You can do this in Score
> manager.  There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands
> to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a
> different GPO channel.  And also in the Score Manager, you should be
> able to set the base volume for that layer.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> > Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet  line
> in
> > the middle of working on a piece  but it is playing back  much too
> loudly .
> > I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes
> > back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is
> sharing
> > a staff with clarinet 2.  What am I missing? Thanks for any help.
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Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

2015-11-21 Thread Williams, Jim 
I am wondering if some random MIDI data found its way into the file. Have you 
tried to clean out data using the MIDI tool?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Raymond Horton  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I don't see any base volume control in the Aria mixer, but the
> modulation control helped quite a bit.
> 
> Does anyone have any system for setting volumes and balance with GPO? I
> keep running into instances where instruments do not respond to dynamics in
> the music, etc, and balance changes when I'm not looking.
> Thanks!
>> On Nov 21, 2015 8:40 AM, "Craig Parmerlee"  wrote:
>> 
>> There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with
>> 2014.5.  I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet,
>> and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause.
>> 
>> If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders
>> there.  That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used
>> dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.)
>> 
>> If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split
>> these out to 2 separate GPO instruments.  You can do this in Score
>> manager.  There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands
>> to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a
>> different GPO channel.  And also in the Score Manager, you should be
>> able to set the base volume for that layer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
>>> Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet  line
>> in
>>> the middle of working on a piece  but it is playing back  much too
>> loudly .
>>> I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes
>>> back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is
>> sharing
>>> a staff with clarinet 2.  What am I missing? Thanks for any help.
>>> ___
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