Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

[Christopher Smith]

Hahaha! Yes, of course!

Christopher

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:49 PM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> i find these tools quite useful, and they are entirely genre- and 
> platform-independent: they work just as awesomely for the newest of the new 
> music notation as for basically all traditional approaches to music notation, 
> western or other.
> https://youtu.be/mci6NVBJbvo
> 
>> All that said, I’m always happy to be pointed to a technique or a tool I 
>> might have missed that solves problems like these and others.
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Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

[SN jef chippewa]

i find these tools quite useful, and they are entirely genre- and 
platform-independent: they work just as awesomely for the newest of the new 
music notation as for basically all traditional approaches to music notation, 
western or other.
https://youtu.be/mci6NVBJbvo

> All that said, I’m always happy to be pointed to a technique or a tool I 
> might have missed that solves problems like these and others.

-- 

neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation
http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts

shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
new music notation + translation + arts management
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Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

[Doug Walter]

I don’t have any insights as to what their plans might be, although given the 
decades of work that I’ve done with the program, I certainly hope they keep it 
alive.

Mostly I’m responding here to second (LOUDLY) the desire for vastly improved 
layout capabilities. It’s only thanks to the wonderful JW and TGTools plug-ins, 
among others (JW Copy Part Layout is a huge time-saver), that I can even stand 
the whole layout and collision-avoidance process at all. But formatting scores 
to avoid collisions is still a huge time commitment and especially annoying 
when dealing with large orchestra scores as I am currently. While I’m not 
always happy with how Sibelius's (I own it but don’t use it very often) 
Magnetic Layout places things, I have to applaud them for including such a 
function in the first place. And it seems that it does far more good than harm. 
As opposed to, say, Finale’s Vertical Collision Remover, which results in such 
grossly exaggerated spaces (at least in large scores) that it’s all but 
unusable for me.

All that said, I’m always happy to be pointed to a technique or a tool I might 
have missed that solves problems like these and others.

Doug


> On Apr 18, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:
> 
> The current owners took over the company in 2014.  They delivered 
> version 25, which provided 64-bit support and a few other odds and ends 
> -- while dropping some rather significant functionality.  I did find 
> Version 25 to be a little more stable, so I have lived with the feature 
> deprecation.  Since that time, there have been a couple of small patches 
> -- literally a few dozen bug fixes in 3 years and minimal new capability.
> 
> In the same time frame, Avid dismissed the Sibelius development team and 
> moved to development to Russia.  They went several years with minimal 
> product improvement, so Finale and Sibelius both seemed both to be on 
> the same dead end track.
> 
> Meanwhile MuseScore continued to evolve rapidly. And Presonus made an 
> investment in Notion. The big move was Steinberg/Yamaha hiring the 
> Sibelius team to develop Dorico.  During most of the past 4 years, that 
> was a "skunk works" or a very immature early product release for 
> enthusiasts.
> 
> But now that we are well into 2018, the notation world has changed 
> significantly. It appears to me that Finale is still on a dead end, and 
> the company is making no effort to communicate any significant plans.  
> The most revealing thing I could find was this from January:
> 
> https://www.scoringnotes.com/news/namm-2018-makemusic-smartmusic-finale/
> 
> To summarize that article, it sounds like most efforts are in 
> SmartMusic, with practically nothing happening with Finale.  It is 
> revealing that they are saying they are not planning anything in 2018 
> that would be significant enough to charge an upgrade price for.
> 
> Dorico recently delivered version 1.2, which brings it fairly close to 
> what one could consider a full-function, commercial-grade product.  It 
> is still lacking in a few areas, such as playback, but is a very viable 
> product in its own right.  And it appears they will launch a major 
> upgrade with Version 2 in the next few months.
> 
> In the past 12 months, Avid has been very active with Sibelius 
> development, putting out a series of updates, including the most recent 
> 8.4 last week.  These releases track with Dorico in making the layout 
> much more flexible and the spacing much more automatic.  Meanwhile, it 
> has been roughly a decade since we saw the last real improvement in 
> automatic layout in Finale.  I increasingly see Finale as a huge 
> time-waster.  It has become typical for 20% of my time on a project to 
> be consumed in final edits that are now mostly automatic within Dorico 
> and Sibelius.
> 
> If you can pardon my rant, my real question is if anybody sees any 
> reason to be optimistic that Finale is going to be anything more than a 
> dead end.
> 
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[Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

[Craig Parmerlee]

The current owners took over the company in 2014.  They delivered 
version 25, which provided 64-bit support and a few other odds and ends 
-- while dropping some rather significant functionality.  I did find 
Version 25 to be a little more stable, so I have lived with the feature 
deprecation.  Since that time, there have been a couple of small patches 
-- literally a few dozen bug fixes in 3 years and minimal new capability.

In the same time frame, Avid dismissed the Sibelius development team and 
moved to development to Russia.  They went several years with minimal 
product improvement, so Finale and Sibelius both seemed both to be on 
the same dead end track.

Meanwhile MuseScore continued to evolve rapidly. And Presonus made an 
investment in Notion. The big move was Steinberg/Yamaha hiring the 
Sibelius team to develop Dorico.  During most of the past 4 years, that 
was a "skunk works" or a very immature early product release for 
enthusiasts.

But now that we are well into 2018, the notation world has changed 
significantly. It appears to me that Finale is still on a dead end, and 
the company is making no effort to communicate any significant plans.  
The most revealing thing I could find was this from January:

https://www.scoringnotes.com/news/namm-2018-makemusic-smartmusic-finale/

To summarize that article, it sounds like most efforts are in 
SmartMusic, with practically nothing happening with Finale.  It is 
revealing that they are saying they are not planning anything in 2018 
that would be significant enough to charge an upgrade price for.

Dorico recently delivered version 1.2, which brings it fairly close to 
what one could consider a full-function, commercial-grade product.  It 
is still lacking in a few areas, such as playback, but is a very viable 
product in its own right.  And it appears they will launch a major 
upgrade with Version 2 in the next few months.

In the past 12 months, Avid has been very active with Sibelius 
development, putting out a series of updates, including the most recent 
8.4 last week.  These releases track with Dorico in making the layout 
much more flexible and the spacing much more automatic.  Meanwhile, it 
has been roughly a decade since we saw the last real improvement in 
automatic layout in Finale.  I increasingly see Finale as a huge 
time-waster.  It has become typical for 20% of my time on a project to 
be consumed in final edits that are now mostly automatic within Dorico 
and Sibelius.

If you can pardon my rant, my real question is if anybody sees any 
reason to be optimistic that Finale is going to be anything more than a 
dead end.


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Re: [Finale] Third party macros with windows

[Martin Nickless]

Thank you very much indeed I will check that out

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Apr 2018, at 07:17, Jan Angermüller  wrote:
> 
> The Logitech G13 is a macro keyboard that comes with its own macro 
> software. Works great.
> Another option is AutoHotkey for very sophisticated interactions: it 
> also captures mouse movements and allows to add new elements like 
> buttons, progress bars, images, etc.
> Demos of the use in Finale: https://elbsound.studio/autohotkey.php
> 
> 
>> Am 18.04.2018 um 02:37 schrieb Martin Nickless:
>> Hi there apologies if I have asked this already but is there anyone out 
>> there using finale on windows and also using a  third-party macro program as 
>> I would be very interested to learn More of  this
>> Kind regards
>> Martin
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Re: [Finale] Third party macros with windows

[Jan Angermüller]

The Logitech G13 is a macro keyboard that comes with its own macro 
software. Works great.
Another option is AutoHotkey for very sophisticated interactions: it 
also captures mouse movements and allows to add new elements like 
buttons, progress bars, images, etc.
Demos of the use in Finale: https://elbsound.studio/autohotkey.php


Am 18.04.2018 um 02:37 schrieb Martin Nickless:
> Hi there apologies if I have asked this already but is there anyone out there 
> using finale on windows and also using a  third-party macro program as I 
> would be very interested to learn More of  this
> Kind regards
> Martin
> Sent from my iPhone
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