[Finale] Finale 2014 Mac and Java

[Bob Shuster]

It's dismaying to say the least when a big selling point of the new software is 
"improved Apple Mac OS X support", but I can't even run it without installing 
an old version of Java (Java SE 6) that's highly unsecure and unsafe to run!  
The current version of Java is Java 7 version 45, so it's been out and 
available for some time. Does anyone know a way around this requirement?


-=<Bob Shuster   >=-
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[Finale] Re: missing plug-ins menu?

[Bob Shuster]

Rebuilding the launch services database did the trick!  Thanks - that  
would not have occurred to me before running through a lot of other  
possibilities (mostly blaming Finale itself!)


- Bob

On Mar 21, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Michael Good wrote:


Hi Bob,

With all your plug-ins missing in both 2008 and 2009, it sounds like
the launch services database on your Mac got corrupted somehow.
Rebuild it, which you can do from the Terminal or with a downloadable
tool like OnyX.

Best regards,

Michael Good
Recordare LLC
www.recordare.com





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[Finale] missing plug-ins menu?

[Bob Shuster]

I'm running Finale 2009b.r3 on an Intel Mac running Mac OS X 10.5.6  
with all updates applied.  I used to use plug-ins from time to time  
(particularly TG Tools) but haven't needed them in some time.  To make  
a long story short, I just found a situation where I need a plug-in -  
and noticed there is no plug-in menu item!  Even after specifying the  
location of the plug-ins folder (in the default location I might add)  
in preferences and restarting, it still doesn't appear.  I still have  
Finale 2008 installed for some older files, and in running that I  
notice the plug-ins menu is also missing?!?


Anyone have a clue how I might fix this?  I searched online and found  
nothing.  I also deleted my Finale preference file to no avail.


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Finale 2009a question

[Bob Shuster]

I sent an email to support on this, but thought the group here might  
answer faster (and more accurately based on past experience!  :)


Does anyone know if this update fixed the left channel only problem  
with Intel Macs and most Firewire interfaces? - Bob

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[Finale] Re: Finale 2009 Mac Firewire/Intel issue?

[Bob Shuster]

Well, I got the definitive answer from MakeMusic on the FireWire audio  
interface issue, as follows:



Thank you for contacting MakeMusic Customer Support.

I deeply apologize for this issue in Finale. At this point it is not  
fixed in Finale 2009 and I do not know what the plans are to fix it.  
I will be adding your voice to the list of people who are looking  
for this fix. Once again I apologize for any inconvenience.


Doug R.
MakeMusic Customer Support


So it appears it's not even on their "To Do" list.  Are there enough  
of us in this boat to pressure them?  How about a class action suit?  :)


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] re: Finale 2009 Mac Firewire/Intel issue?

[Bob Shuster]

Thanks for the advice on workarounds folks, but I really just need it  
to be fixed!  :)   Well, I believe I'm answering my own question  
here.   I downloaded the demo of Finale 2009, and while AU support is  
disabled in the demo, SoftSynth playback is not - and it still plays  
back left channel only with MacIntel and Firewire audio interface  
(mine happens to be a Presonus FirePod.)  What the heck is up with the  
folks at Make Music?  They introduced this problem with the 2008  
version (over a year ago?) and it's still not fixed?


This seriously limits the usefulness of Finale to me - I think I'm  
officially tired of waiting for it at this point.  Any good Sibelius  
lists out there?


- Bob Shuster

-
Can anyone confirm or deny that this issue has been fixed?  (Intel  
Macs with Firewire audio interfaces have left channel output only  
since 2008.)  I'm waiting to upgrade until I find out!


Also, has human playback been improved at all?  I can't use it at all  
in 2008 (perhaps related to the above issue) as it crashes Finale  
about 75% of the time when initializing.


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Finale 2009 Mac Firewire/Intel issue?

[Bob Shuster]

Can anyone confirm or deny that this issue has been fixed?  (Intel  
Macs with Firewire audio interfaces have left channel output only  
since 2008.)  I'm waiting to upgrade until I find out!


Also, has human playback been improved at all?  I can't use it at all  
in 2008 (perhaps related to the above issue) as it crashes Finale  
about 75% of the time when initializing.


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Re: Finale 2009

[Bob Shuster]

No mention of this fixing audio output with Firewire interfaces on  
Intel Macs (left channel only since Finale 2008) - but perhaps the  
whole AU plug-in compatibility thing will fix it?

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[Finale] Re: Finale 2008b is out

[Bob Shuster]

Perhaps MakeMusic pulled the 2008b update?  I can't find it on their  
site now, and Finale itself reports that I have the latest version  
(Mac.)


Can anyone confirm this?  I wanted to see if they fixed the MacIntel  
left channel only bug...


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Re: FinMac2008a: Left Channel Playback Only In JABB & GPO

[Bob Shuster]

This is a known Finale bug.  It existed in 2008, and I had hoped it  
would be fixed by 2008a, but alas it was not.  I believe this only  
affects those of us with Intel Macs and firewire audio interfaces.   
It's not just JABB and GPO/Kontakt, it also affects QuickTime playback.


All of this worked fine in the various versions of Finale 2007 btw -  
it was the update to 2008 that broke it.


- Bob Shuster

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Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:48:42 -0500
From: "Leigh Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Finale] FinMac2008a: Left Channel Playback Only In JABB &
GPO
To: "Finale List" 
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Hello All,

Thursday afternoon my quad G5 died (the Apple Store quoted me around
$2000 for repair). Of course this happened just as I was about to use
FinMac2007c to print parts for that night's rehearsal. I got the score
off the Wednesday night backup, redid the changes I'd made and printed
the parts from my PowerBook. On Friday I replaced the G5 with a quad  
Mac

Pro which I was planning to do this summer.

I've spent the last 2 days moving hundreds of gigs of audio over to  
the

new machine and updating software to Leopard 10.5.2.

This forced me to move to FinMac2008a before I was ready and which I  
had

ordered but hadn't installed. I updated GPO and JABB to Kontakt Player
2.2.4 (much nicer than the old one!) and when I try to play back all  
the

instruments play only through the left channel regardless of what the
pan settings are. iTunes plays back in stereo just fine.

I'm probably missing something simple due to fatigue. Any idea what
might be wrong?

**Leigh


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[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 49, Issue 24

[Bob Shuster]

Yes, this update has been out for more than a month, and yes, you  
needed to be vigilant to have known about it.  The big issue for me  
(which I believe I mentioned on this list earlier) is that the audio  
output - when using Intel-based Macs - is left channel only.  This  
may only affect those using Finale 2008, but I'm not sure - it may be  
based on the KP update.


My response from MakeMusic on July 30:  "This is a known issue at  
this time.  Our developers are aware of this and working on a fix for  
this issue.  Thank you for reporting this."


Something to consider before applying the update.  This makes it  
*severely* limiting when using JABB or GPO for quick playback of your  
parts.  I'm frankly surprised I haven't seen more discussion of this  
on the list.


- Bob

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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:29:30 -0400
From: Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Finale] JABB update for K2, Garritan Wiki
To: finale@shsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Two items of interest:

1) The Kontakt Player 2 update for Garritan Jazz And Big Band has
been released. (Without much apparent fanfare -- I really wish Gary
would set up some way of notifying his customers when upgrades are
released.)

This upgrade finally makes it possible for Intel Mac owners to run
JABB for the first time -- which also means it's the first version of
JABB that will run acceptably on Mac laptops. It also adds
keyswitched saxophone doubles, so that you can switch from, e.g.,
alto sax to flute, clarinet, or soprano sax without having to load
additional patches and use channel change expressions. Finally, since
both GPO and JABB instruments can be loaded in the same Kontakt
Player instance, it makes it much easier to mix and match instruments
from different sample libraries.

2) There is now a (much-needed) Garritan Wiki .
It includes, among other things, helpful instructions on how to
upgrade to the new JABB:

http://garritan.info/index.php/JABB_KP2_Update_for_Mac_OS_X
http://garritan.info/index.php/JABB_KP2_Update_for_Windows

Cheers,

- Darcy
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[Finale] Re: known audio playback bug in Finale 2008

[Bob Shuster]

Yes, I did mean 2008 - oops!  :)   I failed to mention to them that I  
do use pro audio hardware for output, routing all output through a  
PreSonus FirePod.  So are you saying that if I just used the line  
outs on my Mac Pro for Fainle output that I wouldn't have this  
issue?  It would be a workaround for the moment - I do have the Mac's  
line-outs running to my mixer, I just usually keep them muted and  
pulled all the way down.


Hmmm...  might be worth a shot.

- Bob Shuster

-

Bob Shuster / 2007/07/30 / 01:55 PM wrote:


After updating to Finale 2007 (I described my system) I find I no
longer have right channel audio output in several situations within
Finale.


You mean 2008.
I have reported it here as soon as 2008 came out, and MM! has
acknowledged the bug.  The bug is specific to CA mono stream, that
Finale falsely assumes target CA device is a single stream device.   
Mac

built-in and inexpensive audio hardware are designed as single stream
device, while prosumer devices follows CA spec, which is multi stream
per channel.

- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
<http://a-no-ne.com> <http://anonemusic.com>


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[Finale] known audio playback bug in Finale 2008

[Bob Shuster]

Just an FYI note.

I recently updated to Finale 2008 for my Intel Mac.  I sent the  
following bug report to MakeMusic:


After updating to Finale 2007 (I described my system) I find I no  
longer have right channel audio output in several situations within  
Finale.  I do have full left and right channel output from anything  
external to Finale, including normal QuickTime player playback,  
Kontakt 2 or Kontakt Player 2 output, Logic Pro output or anything else.


The problem only occurs when playing back within Finale, in the  
following circumstances:


Using "Play Finale Through MIDI" and selecting SmartMusic SoftSynth  
Playback
Using "Play Finale Through Audio Units" and selecting any method  
(including Kontakt2, KontaktPlayer2, and SmartMusicSoftSynth)


The problem does *not* however occur when using QuickTime Playback -  
in that case both channels play as expected.


I have messed with every possible setting that I am aware of within  
Finale and the respective Kontakt and SmartMusic players - to no  
avail. I did not have this problem before updating to Finale 2008  
(from 2007 on the same computer.)


This is *quite* annoying to say the least, and severely limits my  
ability to use Finale. Your help would be most appreciated.



Their response:

This is a known issue at this time. Our developers are aware of this  
and working on a fix for this issue. Thank you for reporting this.



So if you were tearing your hair out over this (I was for several  
hours) - don't bother!  Hopefully this fix will come quicker than  
many other outstanding bugs...   :(I don't know if this affects  
only Mac or only Intel Mac, but it was definitely new to Finale 2008.


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] printing to large format

[Bob Shuster]

I've been trying to no avail to print a score to large (tabloid -  
11x17) paper from Finale.  I've tried adjusting the page setup, tried  
all sorts of stuff in the print dialog, tried all sorts of settings  
with my printer - all to no avail.


Setup is MacPro (Intel) running OS X 10.4.9 & Finale 2007c, printer  
is HP LaserJet 5200.


I laid the score out originally in landscape mode for normal letter- 
sized paper, but no matter what I do it still prints at that size on  
the larger paper.  I even tried saving it as a PDF and then printing  
larger from the PDF file - that didn't work either.


Any thoughts?

- Bob
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[Finale] Execute Shape to control tempo?!?

[Bob Shuster]

I've probably spent way too much time on this already, as it doesn't  
affect the printout, but it bugs me that I can't figure it out - so I  
appeal to the gurus among you for help!  :)


I have a piece in 6/8 - the tempo is set at the beginning to dotted  
quarter = 60.   I do have the human playback  style on and set to  
classical (could be my whole prob?!)  In measure 9, I'd like to slow  
the second beat down dramatically but incrementally, so using a smart  
shape seems to be the perfect fit, no?


To illustrate, I'll label each eighth note in the measure as E1, E2,  
etc.   So my resulting tempo should be something like:


E1=40 (dotted quarters per minute)
E2=40
E3=40
E4=30 (rit. starts here)
E5=20
E6=10

In the next measure I have an "A Tempo" expression that also sets the  
tempo back to dotted quarter = 60.


I won't bother the list with what I've tried - because nothing has  
worked.  Would some kind soul step me through the process - and  
educate the rest of us while you're at it?


Thanks so much.   - Bob Shuster

BTW - this particular arrangement is based on PD material!!!   :)
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[Finale] Re: self-publishing & securing permissions for copy-written works

[Bob Shuster]

The consensus seems to be that I've got a long road ahead of me!  For  
the record, I intend to publish these works myself - I'm not looking  
for a publisher.  I just want to secure the rights to publish myself  
and make sure any due royalties or fees are paid.  I should probably  
stick with original or PD works to start out, but much of this  
material was done by me many years ago.  Of course, I think I picked  
the toughest category for my initial test pieces - Christmas music  
(for brass quartet.)


- Bob Shuster


On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:27:00 -0800
From: Harold Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Finale] self-publishing & securing permissions for
copy-writtenworks
To: finale@shsu.edu
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I can second Mark's comment about publishers reluctant to publish an
arrangement of a song they already have more than one of in their
catalog. Years ago I was asked to do an arrangement of "Amazing
Grace" for a local choir that was going to Russia on an exchange
program. The Russians loved it, and everyone I talk to says it's the
best arrangement they have heard - better than any of the published
ones. Still, although my editor friend at my publisher really likes
it, he said they couldn't publish it because there were at least
three other arrangements of it in their catalog. I'm sure that's true
of other publishers I've worked with. At least the tune and the words
are in the public domain, and anyone interested in performing my
arrangement can pay me for copies. I've had lots of performances of
it this way.


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[Finale] self-publishing & securing permissions for copy-written works

[Bob Shuster]

I'm sure this has been covered on this list in the past, but without  
a "search" option for the archives there's no way to find it!


I'm considering self-publishing many of my arrangements, and while  
many are original compositions, most are arrangements of existing  
works.  Where would one start with this?  I'd like to A. have  
permission to sell arrangements based on copy-written materials and  
B. find out what royalties if any I might need to pay.


A quick web search yielded some information about "permission to  
arrange" forms, but seems to apply to educators specifically, not to  
commercial endeavors.


Anyone have any experience with this?  Any guidance would be  
appreciated - and I'm sure I'm not the only one who would benefit  
from this discussion.


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Re: music font character list?

[Bob Shuster]

I've been searching in vain for a list describing each of the
characters in various music fonts for Finale.  Not just a listing
of the characters (which I know is included in the help files) but
a list with a description of each character.  Does anyone know if
such a document exists, and if so where I might find it?


Um, sorry to be dense, but what do you need to know? Isn't each
character self-evident?

Christopher



also


I know of no such document.

What sort of description are you looking for?  How would you  
describe a
whole note that's better than simply showing a whole note?  Is this  
for
blind users of Finale?  I can understand it if you're looking for a  
text
file which simply lists (rather than describes) what each character  
is,
but as for a verbal description I am stumped as to what you are  
expecting.



--
David H. Bailey



Yes, a lot of the characters *are* self-evident, but many are not.
I'm considering developing my own font, and was looking for a more  
detailed description of each character and how they are used by  
Finale.  Not just the alternate note-heads (I can figure most of  
those out) but all of the assorted markings and percussion symbols,  
etc.  I'm looking for a definitive list.  Does this explain better?


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] music font character list?

[Bob Shuster]

I've been searching in vain for a list describing each of the  
characters in various music fonts for Finale.  Not just a listing of  
the characters (which I know is included in the help files) but a  
list with a description of each character.  Does anyone know if such  
a document exists, and if so where I might find it?


TIA   - Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Update on Universal Binary compatibility from NI?

[Bob Shuster]

Has anyone gotten any news from Native Instruments and/or MakeMusic  
on a Universal Binary (MacIntel compatible that is) version of the  
Kontakt Player needed for the GPO library?  On NI's website they  
still list October 2006, but that's all I know.  I emailed NI last  
week and they said to contact the maker of the individual library  
(and actually said that a Mactel update for Kontakt 2 can be expected  
in the third quarter of this year!  Check your calendar NI!)   
MakeMusic and/or Garritan both say to contact NI?   %P   Catch-22!


Thoughts?

- Bob Shuster (anxious to use three different libraries on his new  
MacPro that rely on the Kontakt 2 player!)

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[Finale] text kerning in Finale 2007

[Bob Shuster]

Is there a way to easily adjust text kerning (for titles,  
expressions, etc.) in Finale?  I know there is the tracking option  
for text, but that is certainly not easy or intuitive to use.  There  
must be some key combo (i.e. OPT/CMD arrows) to adjust kerning real- 
time between characters in a text block?  I've been unsuccessful in  
searching online and local help texts.


- Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Finale 2007 Intel Mac compatibility (was re: Finale vs. Sibelius)

[Bob Shuster]

From the Final website:"While Finale 2007 runs natively in Intel-based Macs, certain components made by third party providers are not yet available in a Universal Binary format. We expect to have free, downloadable updates for these features this fall. In the meantime, you will need to run Finale in Rosetta to use SmartScore® Lite Scanning and the KONTAKT™ Player 2 which is used to play the included GPO Sounds."To be fair, these are 3rd party applications, but MakeMusic does include them or sell them for or with Finale.  And there are many more applications that can be used with Finale that are not yet IntelMac compatible.  (For example, I also use the EastWest EWQLSO Silver Edition samples - which use the Kontakt player.)But I can be a little more patient waiting for the Kontakt player update!  (It affects me much more with my sequencer app - Logic Pro - as *all* my current sample libraries use the Kontakt player.)- Bob ShusterDate: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:14:47 -0400From: Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale vs. SibeliusTo: finale@shsu.eduMessage-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"On 07 Oct 2006, at 1:47 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 7, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Bob Shuster wrote: .  I'm also anxious to see when it will be completely compatible  with the Intel Macs (I have a MacPro machine) - particularly for  my Garritan GPO and JABB libraries - which are currently unusable. Good news, Bob - AFAIK, FinMac2007 is already completely native on  Intel Macs - way to be ahead of the curve, MakeMusic! So you don't  have to wait. Not quite -- Kontakt Player is not Universal yet, so if he wants to  use GPO/JABB, he will have to run Finale under Rosetta. And as you  might expect GPO/JABB performance under Rosetta is unusuably slow.Cheers,- Darcy-[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://secretsociety.typepad.comBrooklyn, NY___
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[Finale] Re: Finale vs. Sibelius

[Bob Shuster]

I want to thank everyone who offered advice and some great links to help me decide between switching to Sibelius or updating to Finale 2007 (from Finale 98.)  I did take your advice, reading all the materials I could online and spending some time with each app. I first spent a full six hours with Sibelius.  At first look it does seem much more polished and easier to use, but after a while it became clear it was much more consumer and music educator oriented than professional copyist oriented (not that this is a bad thing - but it does not fit my application of the product.)  I then spent an equal amount of time with Finale 2007 - and while on the surface it does not seem much different than the version I was used to, it seemed much more comfortable and familiar - due in no small part to my years of use of the product (I go back to at least Finale 2.x - what year would that have been?!?)  I had done *tons* of tweaks to my default Finale files over the years, and I'm not sure I can make the same tweaks to Sibelius, or at least not as easily (for me anyway.)So what it came down to for me was: with which product can I most quickly get back up to speed and turn out copy that meets or exceeds my former output.  Finale won hands down - my update arrives on Monday.  I'm sure I'll discover a lot of the new "under the hood" enhancements that have been made - and I will definitely have to start my tweaking from scratch again.  I'm also anxious to see when it will be completely compatible with the Intel Macs (I have a MacPro machine) - particularly for my Garritan GPO and JABB libraries - which are currently unusable.FYI - cheap plug - I also ordered the most recent Finale 3rd party book I could find - Finale: An Easy Guide to Music Notation - by Vince Leonard (an active list member) and Tom Rudolph (a good friend of mine!)  Check it out.  :)- Bob Shuster___
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[Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

[Bob Shuster]

After many years hiatus from the music biz I am dusting off the old  
onion skins and getting back into writing.  The last version of  
Finale I used in earnest was Finale 98, but I have seen and  
experimented with both Finale 2006/2007 and Sibelius 4.xx.  I do have  
a lot of old music in the Finale 98 format, but I'm not all that  
concerned about being able to reuse it.  I'm sure I'd have to do some  
major tweakage in any case, so it's just as easy to re-enter the  
parts.  One other consideration is that I'd *really* like to use the  
Golden Age font - however I am confidant that I can modify it for use  
in either application.  Some of the fonts that come with Sibelius do  
however look promising...


*SO*, what's the advice?  Do I stick with Finale or do the Sibelius  
crossgrade?  What I have seen of the new Finale - it looks pretty  
much the same as Finale 98, except with Aqua-looking buttons and a  
lot of consumer-level features added that I'll never use.  Sibelius  
on the other hand, looks much slicker and fresher, and I've heard of  
professionals using it instead of Finale, but all my experience has  
been with Finale (with C-Lab's Notator sw before that!  Does that  
date me?!?  :)  )


I presume most of the readers of this list to be ardent Finale users,  
but I'm sure you've at least looked at Sibelius, so I'd love to hear  
your opinions on this (without starting a turf war of course.)  The  
issue has probably already been beaten to death, so if you'd rather  
point me to an archive of such a discussion that would be welcome as  
well.


FYI, I work mainly on a Mac (new MacPro machine pretty much maxed  
out) alongside of Logic Pro, but I do also still use a Windows XP  
machine, and could definitely see myself doing my recording on the  
Mac and notation on PC if necessary, but generally I will use the  
Mac.  That being said, cross-platform compatibility of whichever app  
I choose *is* an important feature to me.


Thanks in advance for your input!   - Bob Shuster
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[Finale] Donald Rice's Golden Age font

[Bob Shuster]

After
many years’ hiatus, I find myself getting back into the music biz, but I
am unable to locate a faithful old friend, namely the Golden Age typeface
created by Donald Rice.  I was unable to find much info on the web, and
have so far received no response from Mr. Rice with the email addresses I have.

 

I
had purchased the font (probably in 1996 or so) but I’m sure it was on a
floppy – which was long ago lost.  I’ve updated computers
several times in the interim of course.

 

Does
anyone have any further info on this family of typefaces?  Specifically, I’d
like to purchase the most recent revision somewhere.

 

FYI,
if you’ve never seen Golden Age set music – it is the most easily
readable music I’ve ever seen come out of Finale or any other music
publishing software.  The closest I think you can come electronically to a
good professional copyist (which Don Rice is.)

 

- Bob
Shuster






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