Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
In the history of Finale updates, I can’t remember Finale putting out more than 3 per version. So, I’m guessing that the next iteration of Finale will have a new version number on it. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
Maybe those comparisons of cars and Tvs were a bit over the top - although I'd like to know what your reasons are - you don't give any. About Adobe and other patches, from Apple and MS Operating systems, I've been using Macs for almost two decades and I can't think of a single update that has done anything other than IMPROVE functionality and increase security. But I know from reading the list of new features when I update that there are indeed some bug fixes, though they have always seemed completely obscure to me. Their updates have only, typically, improved performance and security. Nobody addressed Mathematica, which is probably the most comparative software. I have a transcription/composition/engraving client, a major client, who just does not understand bugs at all and you should try explaining to someone that you purchased an expensive product that has things that don't work - he comes from the rest of the marketplace, like cars, Tvs, heating systems, whatever, where if you sold a new product that had issues, you would just take it back - because it was obviously broken and no professional product wouldn't work 100%. He doesn't get it at all. It makes it really embarrassing to apologize and try explain this doesn't work properly, it's normal it's broken And it's really made me question why software is any different. You can't say the sophisticated engineering that goes into manufacturing an entire car isn't potentially as detailed as a software app - considering there is a lot of software right there in car, for example? Best, Dean -- Dean Rosenthal www.deanrosenthal.org On Oct 13, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Comparing software to a TV doesn't work. Or your car. Its ridiculous. Adobe's products are FAR from perfect and most of them have a list of legacy bugs that would make Finale's look teeny weenie. And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and fixing issues (or working around them) in newer versions. Most all companies do that I think (Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc). On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com wrote: No. I don't understand why it's acceptable for a product to be sold with enough bugs. Paying for a bug-fix release (one that would riddled with at least some other issues) is not the answer. Imagine if you bought a widescreen tv, only to find that certain features worked only some of the time and some not at all, to compound this, your cable service also presented programming issues and challenges. Or your car. Features as prominent as a gauge. Or even a major program like Mathematica, which is at least equally sophisticated in context to Finale. Or an Adobe product. Think about what it would mean to the market and to advances and innovations. We are stuck with a great application that is unfortunately far from perfect and for some reason the company does not have high enough standards to perfect their product the way the other products I've mentioned perfect them. Comments? Dean -- Dean Rosenthal www.deanrosenthal.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
On 10/14/2014 1:16 PM, Dean Rosenthal wrote: [snip] it's broken And it's really made me question why software is any different. You can't say the sophisticated engineering that goes into manufacturing an entire car isn't potentially as detailed as a software app - considering there is a lot of software right there in car, for example? [snip] But cars are buggy, too -- witness the numbers of recalls of millions of vehicles over the years. Sometimes the bugs don't come out for a long long time in cars -- we owned a 2006 Saturn Ion which just received a recall notice (we traded it in 6 months ago). And just as with software, car manufacturers try to hide the bugs as long as they can until they're finally caught. Witness the millions of GM cars which had faulty ignition switches that we only found about within the past year, even though they had been installed *and known about at GM* quite a few years ago and GM said to go ahead and install them anyway! It's the mindset of manufacturing these days, whether it's hardware or software -- put out a product that's a buggy as can be and still be sold, and then try to fix things when enough people complain about them and cry about how difficult it is to track them all down and fix them. But that's because manufacturing, whether hardware or software, is all about pleasing the shareholders first and then pleasing the customers only as much as it helps to keep the shareholders happy. If corporations put as much effort into fixing buggy products as they do into evading taxes, we'd all be much happier and not be complaining about the bugs nearly as much. But that won't ever happen again in our lifetimes, not as long as Wall Street is king and the consumer is only a peasant with very little power. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
David, I generally agree with your comments on this subject. But I really don't think this is a Wall Street play in this instance. I think it is a case where Finale as an independent company could not find a business model that worked consistently. It seems to me that this SHOULD have worked. There are a lot of people who have minimal notation requirements, and they have always dabbled at the fringes (Rhapsody, Encore, etc) For them, MuseScore is probably adequate. So that does take a lot of buyers out of the potential market. I would have thought the two biggest segments are churches (choir directors) and schools/universities. Evidently neither Sibelius nor Finale was able to present a proposition to these segments that brought in enough revenue to fund continued support and development. I would argue this is because they spread their efforts too thin and brought relatively little value to the market over the past 10 years. There is always a debate about what might have been. That leaves the hard core users, who are professional or at least semi-professional copyists, songwriters, arrangers, show producers, sound track writers and so on. Unfortunately this may be just too small a market to work. We are loyal of necessity, mainly because there is no other alternative. But it seems clear enough that Peaksware is interested only in milking the cash cow. Had they the slightest interest in returning the product to a leading position, they would have presented some kind of vision to the market by now. The good news, if there is any to be found, is that there is a very important segment that was overlooked by both Finale and Sibelius. This is writers and producers who work primarily in the DAW space. That is a rapidly growing market. Their compositional workflow is quite different from the typical Finale workflow. They compose intuitively and interactively. But some of them have a need for notation. It is just that notation is toward the end of their work flow whereas it is the beginning of the average Finale user's workflow. And I believe that is the reason Steinberg has been willing to make a much bigger investment than Makemusic and Avid combined in the past 2 years. My prediction is that we will never see another significant notation release (patches or new features) from Peaksware, although they are likely to push Smartmusic along. If we do see a significant new release from Peaksware, I bet it will be within 9 months of the commercial introduction of the Steinberg product. On 10/14/2014 2:57 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: But that won't ever happen again in our lifetimes, not as long as Wall Street is king and the consumer is only a peasant with very little power. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
I think this list is being entirely too pessimistic about prospects for future Finale releases. I should let someone like Michael Good speak for himself (or for Peaksware) but I believe some key developers from Finale are making the move. That hardly seems like they are abandoning Finale. I've said it before and I'll say it again: don't even begin to count on the Steinberg release until there is an announced release date and feature set. Bringing software to market faces many challenges that have nothing to do with the quality of the tech team developing it. One the Steinberg product faces is that it pretty much has to address every use case of Finale and Sibelius that those two have evolved over twenty years. Yes, it will potentially do some new innovative thing incredibly well, but v1.0 will almost certainly fail at some other critical tasks that Fin/Sib handle with aplomb, and that failure could be the deal breaker that kills the product. (This is an oft-repeated tale in this industry.) I agree with the comments about MuseScore. I also think you will see MuseScore progressively steal away higher and higher level users over time. MuseScore is a rapidly moving target with a major upgrade imminent. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: David, I generally agree with your comments on this subject. But I really don't think this is a Wall Street play in this instance. I think it is a case where Finale as an independent company could not find a business model that worked consistently. It seems to me that this SHOULD have worked. There are a lot of people who have minimal notation requirements, and they have always dabbled at the fringes (Rhapsody, Encore, etc) For them, MuseScore is probably adequate. So that does take a lot of buyers out of the potential market. I would have thought the two biggest segments are churches (choir directors) and schools/universities. Evidently neither Sibelius nor Finale was able to present a proposition to these segments that brought in enough revenue to fund continued support and development. I would argue this is because they spread their efforts too thin and brought relatively little value to the market over the past 10 years. There is always a debate about what might have been. That leaves the hard core users, who are professional or at least semi-professional copyists, songwriters, arrangers, show producers, sound track writers and so on. Unfortunately this may be just too small a market to work. We are loyal of necessity, mainly because there is no other alternative. But it seems clear enough that Peaksware is interested only in milking the cash cow. Had they the slightest interest in returning the product to a leading position, they would have presented some kind of vision to the market by now. The good news, if there is any to be found, is that there is a very important segment that was overlooked by both Finale and Sibelius. This is writers and producers who work primarily in the DAW space. That is a rapidly growing market. Their compositional workflow is quite different from the typical Finale workflow. They compose intuitively and interactively. But some of them have a need for notation. It is just that notation is toward the end of their work flow whereas it is the beginning of the average Finale user's workflow. And I believe that is the reason Steinberg has been willing to make a much bigger investment than Makemusic and Avid combined in the past 2 years. My prediction is that we will never see another significant notation release (patches or new features) from Peaksware, although they are likely to push Smartmusic along. If we do see a significant new release from Peaksware, I bet it will be within 9 months of the commercial introduction of the Steinberg product. On 10/14/2014 2:57 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: But that won't ever happen again in our lifetimes, not as long as Wall Street is king and the consumer is only a peasant with very little power. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
As far as I know, he has made no such statements publicly other than the vague, bland non-denial the day they announced they were moving to Boulder. Have you seen any? I really would have thought that would be a priority, considering that the news was basically, We're firing the CEO, we're moving to Boulder, and maybe a few current employees will come along, and oh, by the way, we specialize in coaching software, which is a lot like music notation. I would have though that with a few months to toss this around among themselves, maybe they would want to make a statement or two their customer base. On 10/14/2014 4:23 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I should let someone like Michael Good speak for himself (or for Peaksware) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
I use F2014. On balance, for me it does enough things better than earlier releases to justify staying on that level. But just barely. The product is still riddled with bugs. The most annoying ones for me are in Human Playback. There are all sorts of cases where volumes get gut back to almost nothing, of voices go away entirely for several measures. Staccatos are all over the map in their interpretation. In fast passages some notes don't sound -- as if HP sands the note-off before the note-on. None of these HP problems are seen in normal playback without HP. Basically HP is a real mess. I have opened tickets on specific items, but the staff always just blows them off as if I don't know what I'm talking about. Given that Finale's exercise guru owners are moving the company to Boulder, and they were not known for putting out many fixes even before that, what are the odds that we will ever see any more fixes? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
On 10/13/2014 7:21 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I use F2014. On balance, for me it does enough things better than earlier releases to justify staying on that level. But just barely. The product is still riddled with bugs. The most annoying ones for me are in Human Playback. There are all sorts of cases where volumes get gut back to almost nothing, of voices go away entirely for several measures. Staccatos are all over the map in their interpretation. In fast passages some notes don't sound -- as if HP sands the note-off before the note-on. None of these HP problems are seen in normal playback without HP. Basically HP is a real mess. I have opened tickets on specific items, but the staff always just blows them off as if I don't know what I'm talking about. Given that Finale's exercise guru owners are moving the company to Boulder, and they were not known for putting out many fixes even before that, what are the odds that we will ever see any more fixes? Given the dominance of bugs over actual fixes and improvements, I have stuck with F2010. Every version since then has been so problem-ridden as to make it unusable. cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
Am 13.10.2014 16:21, schrieb Craig Parmerlee: I have opened tickets on specific items, but the staff always just blows them off as if I don't know what I'm talking about. Craig, I have seen the same with the MM staff and HP ... until I started sending them screencam videos that capture the bug behaviour in realtime and within the default document. All the faulty behaviour was finally confirmed - also all the bugs that you mention. For example, the note-off before note-on is described in detail in support case 140228-000408. I also found it pretty frustrating that the MM support wasn't able to understand some of the HP problems at first. And none of these issues were fixed in the 2014 updates, although they were known months before. Don't give up ... and keep on complaining about HP, hopefully HP will get better in the next release. If you need more info on HP bugs and the support cases, you can send a PM. Jan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, dershem wrote: Given the dominance of bugs over actual fixes and improvements, I have stuck with F2010. Every version since then has been so problem-ridden as to make it unusable. Yes, I know many people have made that decision. But my question is really more about what we should expect from this company in the future. What I am really asking is whether anybody sees any reason to expect that anything will improve. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
I work every note I can in win2012, go into 2014 only when absolutely necessary, then rush back home to 2012. I hope the company gets its act together. On Oct 13, 2014 11:05 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, dershem wrote: Given the dominance of bugs over actual fixes and improvements, I have stuck with F2010. Every version since then has been so problem-ridden as to make it unusable. Yes, I know many people have made that decision. But my question is really more about what we should expect from this company in the future. What I am really asking is whether anybody sees any reason to expect that anything will improve. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
I would like to counter some of the negative comments. I never used Fin10, but I think Fin12 is quite stable and I used it for a couple of years without issues. In the last couple of months I migrated to Fin14, and I have to say that, despite the relative instability compared with Fin12 I am hooked. I love the Keyless score feature and the changes to how smart shapes are assigned. And the unlinkability of special tools means that I have finally arrived at the holy grail of true linked parts for nearly all the projects I do, with almost no need for compromise. (If only they had made accidental freezing, parenthesizing, and movement unlinkable, then I really would not have to compromise at all. Unlinkable vertical rest placement would be a big time saver.) To mitigate the instability I have shortened by autosave window to 5 minutes. It's not that big of a deal really, though I hope we get some improvements without having to wait for a future upgrade. Obviously, ymmv. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I work every note I can in win2012, go into 2014 only when absolutely necessary, then rush back home to 2012. I hope the company gets its act together. On Oct 13, 2014 11:05 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, dershem wrote: Given the dominance of bugs over actual fixes and improvements, I have stuck with F2010. Every version since then has been so problem-ridden as to make it unusable. Yes, I know many people have made that decision. But my question is really more about what we should expect from this company in the future. What I am really asking is whether anybody sees any reason to expect that anything will improve. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
Michael Good poked his head into our mailing list early last month, but there's no clue if he heard the responses, so I have copied him on this email. I would love to have a bug-fix release, and would pay for it. Several people have requests for new features, but a lot of traffic on this list concerns bugs. A number of users are using previous Finale versions due to various issues. Quote from Michael's email of 7/30: As a general rule, I will never be able to offer dates or estimates for future features, bug fixes, releases, or downloads. What I can do is acknowledge the issue and work with my colleagues to create ever better products in the future. I, for one, don't need a better product - I just want the one I have to work as it should. I would love to hear that someone in MakeMusic takes our concerns with bug-fixes seriously. Here's a repost of my earlier email (a number of bug-fixes were requested in response to this email): Here's a few of my bugs, and a few wishes as well: Chords become unchecked in the filter. Articulation macro doesn't always work. Selection tool is buggy. Shift-click doesn't always encompass selection. In Speedy entry, can't always select the last note in the frame. Spacebar-click doesn't always start playback. Finale must be restarted to enable playback. In JazzFont, the augmentation dot on a dotted-eighth rest is spaced too far to the right. Finale 2014 shuts down for no apparent reason. Finale 2014 shuts down randomly when I use Transcribe! software. There are a few Jazzfont characters which need reworking (eg, the Z looks like a 2). (I contacted Customer Support re: the shutdown issues, but nothing they suggested worked.) Aria loading is painfully slow. Not a bug, but. . . Edit toolbar should be available (Save, Do/Undo, Print, etc). I REALLY miss this! Open most recent document should be an option for startup action. It would be nice to have user-defined text inserts. Adjust Jazzfont Chord Symbols to conform with Roemer-Brandt styling. There are others who more serious issues than mine - I hope you all will chime in! I love the linked parts - that's been my favorite upgrade feature of recent releases. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
No. I don't understand why it's acceptable for a product to be sold with enough bugs. Paying for a bug-fix release (one that would riddled with at least some other issues) is not the answer. Imagine if you bought a widescreen tv, only to find that certain features worked only some of the time and some not at all, to compound this, your cable service also presented programming issues and challenges. Or your car. Features as prominent as a gauge. Or even a major program like Mathematica, which is at least equally sophisticated in context to Finale. Or an Adobe product. Think about what it would mean to the market and to advances and innovations. We are stuck with a great application that is unfortunately far from perfect and for some reason the company does not have high enough standards to perfect their product the way the other products I've mentioned perfect them. Comments? Dean -- Dean Rosenthal www.deanrosenthal.org On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I would love to have a bug-fix release, and would pay for it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
Comparing software to a TV doesn't work. Or your car. Its ridiculous. Adobe's products are FAR from perfect and most of them have a list of legacy bugs that would make Finale's look teeny weenie. And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and fixing issues (or working around them) in newer versions. Most all companies do that I think (Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc). On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com wrote: No. I don't understand why it's acceptable for a product to be sold with enough bugs. Paying for a bug-fix release (one that would riddled with at least some other issues) is not the answer. Imagine if you bought a widescreen tv, only to find that certain features worked only some of the time and some not at all, to compound this, your cable service also presented programming issues and challenges. Or your car. Features as prominent as a gauge. Or even a major program like Mathematica, which is at least equally sophisticated in context to Finale. Or an Adobe product. Think about what it would mean to the market and to advances and innovations. We are stuck with a great application that is unfortunately far from perfect and for some reason the company does not have high enough standards to perfect their product the way the other products I've mentioned perfect them. Comments? Dean -- Dean Rosenthal www.deanrosenthal.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
Yes, 2014 definitely has improvements. But it made a huge step BACKWARD in HP. On all prior releases, I never had to fiddle with HP. I simply turned it on and the music sounded better - much better. I understand that there are additional tweaks that people do to improve on the out of the box results with HP, but in all cases in the past, turning HP on was always better than having it off. That is simply not true with 2014. I have to do all sorts of fiddling to get HP to even play all the notes -- and even then some notes are not sounded. After my fiddling, HP mostly sounds better that going without HP, but it still messes up some things -- especially the interpretation of staccatos. I have had to resort to 3 kinds of staccatos to fake HP into having the right length in all cases. Without such a work-around, it makes some of the staccatos full value and others barely audible. This seems mostly random, and I cannot come up with any articulation definition has good staccato interpretation for all passages. I never had to do any of that before. It is broken and MakeMusic will not acknowledge it. I raised this question, not to complain about the status (which I think we all agree is way too buggy), and not to hear the reasons why I shouldn't be using 2014. What I am looking for is any insights anybody might have about the likelihood of this product ever getting some commercial level of maintenance. Basically the question is this. Are we now at Finale's end of life for practical purposes, take it or leave it? Or should we expect this company will produce something better at some stage? On 10/13/2014 11:45 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: In the last couple of months I migrated to Fin14, and I have to say that, despite the relative instability compared with Fin12 I am hooked. I love the Keyless score feature and the changes to how smart shapes are assigned. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
OK, Eric. When can I buy the new version that corrects some of the old bugs? Money is not the issue for me. The amount of my valuable time this product wastes is the issue. On 10/13/2014 1:35 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and fixing issues (or working around them) in newer versions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
On Mon, October 13, 2014 1:47 pm, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Are we now at Finale's end of life for practical purposes, take it or leave it? Or should we expect this company will produce something better at some stage? I'm going with end of life. After the year's hiatus, I expected a really powerful rewrite in key areas. Instead, the program made easy things harder and hard things even harder. If this is how they're developing, I see no real improvement in the future. I am SO tired of workarounds. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
UmI'm supposed to know this? Probably when the next version of Finale comes around? On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: OK, Eric. When can I buy the new version that corrects some of the old bugs? Money is not the issue for me. The amount of my valuable time this product wastes is the issue. On 10/13/2014 1:35 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and fixing issues (or working around them) in newer versions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?
The point is that many of us would be OK paying for a new release if that is what it took to get bug fixes. The point is that Makemusic does neither new releases nor bug fixes. As far as I can tell, they just let the thing sit. Looking at Adobe's support site, I agree they are somewhat limited in their patches. For example, Photoshop 13 had 5 patch cycles in 2 years then there was a new release in June of this year. There have been a couple of functioning patch sets for Finale 2014, but IIRC, the last one only had a small handful of bug fixes. Other products I use (e.g. SONAR or Band-in-a-box) release patch sets that fix hundreds of issues. But mainly it is a question if Makemusic is even in the maintenance business, let alone enhancement business anymore. I just thought somebody might have some insights about that, but I guess not. On 10/13/2014 2:03 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: UmI'm supposed to know this? Probably when the next version of Finale comes around? On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: OK, Eric. When can I buy the new version that corrects some of the old bugs? Money is not the issue for me. The amount of my valuable time this product wastes is the issue. On 10/13/2014 1:35 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and fixing issues (or working around them) in newer versions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
