Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
On Nov 22, 2007, at 12:39 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: Accent always above the note, unless there are two voices, in which case I would want the auto-note/stem side positioning to kick in. I can't have it both ways, apparently, unless I use two different accents, which is what I did BEFORE auto flipping in 2008. So I am no farther ahead in jazz situations. what about 2 separate settings for the key accents, apply (1) -- always above -- to most situations, except when there is a second layer, then (2) -- always below -- only on the appropriate voice (s)? not perfect, but maybe closer to perfect. in any case, it's good enough for jazz 8-) Yes, that's what I have to do, create 2 different accents. That's what I had to do before auto flipping, so the new feature doesn't help in the case of jazz. It's only in classical/traditional parts that the new feature is a help. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
Randolph Peters wrote: To elaborate: In the articulation tool, hold down, say, number 1 (staccato for me), draw a box around some notes, including notes in other layers, and let go. All the notes in all the layers get staccatos. Jari Williamsson replied: ...which is AFAIK how it has been since metatool-drag-enclosing of articulation was introduced: it reflected MassEdit's "Apply Articulation". I just tested your description in Finale 2003 and it works just the same way. Thanks Jari and Thomas for setting me straight. This is why I check with the list before getting completely disgruntled. I was so sure that applying an articulation metatool should only change the current layer that I was about to report it to MakeMusic. I guess I never ran into that combination of circumstances before. For those who are curious, I was writing a passage where long, legato notes were in the second layer and many short staccato notes in layer one. After applying a staccato metatool to an extended passage I had to go back and get rid of the staccatos over whole notes in layer 2. I should have switched to the "view this layer only" option. Embarrassed, but "gruntled," Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
Accent always above the note, unless there are two voices, in which case I would want the auto-note/stem side positioning to kick in. I can't have it both ways, apparently, unless I use two different accents, which is what I did BEFORE auto flipping in 2008. So I am no farther ahead in jazz situations. what about 2 separate settings for the key accents, apply (1) -- always above -- to most situations, except when there is a second layer, then (2) -- always below -- only on the appropriate voice(s)? not perfect, but maybe closer to perfect. in any case, it's good enough for jazz 8-) -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
On Nov 22, 2007, at 10:20 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote: However, in 2008 (I haven't checked 2007) the articulations in the suppled default files are much smarter, as there is a new setting to flip them to the correct side when they are applied to layers. If you are in a jazz or commercial style where you want most articulations above the note instead of opposite the stem, then the new feature won't do it properly and you have to go back to flipping them by hand. check the settings of the articulations, you can select the behaviour you want in the Position menu I checked, it won't give me what I need, which is the following: Accent always above the note, unless there are two voices, in which case I would want the auto-note/stem side positioning to kick in. I can't have it both ways, apparently, unless I use two different accents, which is what I did BEFORE auto flipping in 2008. So I am no farther ahead in jazz situations. Very useful in classical/traditional situations, though. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
Is this bug well known or reproducible on other systems? it's not a bug, has worked this way for many versions Not only does this happen in 2007-08 but also 2005-06 and probably before. It has worked this way for as long as I remember, and yes, it is a mighty pain in pre-2008 versions. toggle "show active layer only" using a macro key programmed by you, drag-assign, toggle However, in 2008 (I haven't checked 2007) the articulations in the suppled default files are much smarter, as there is a new setting to flip them to the correct side when they are applied to layers. If you are in a jazz or commercial style where you want most articulations above the note instead of opposite the stem, then the new feature won't do it properly and you have to go back to flipping them by hand. check the settings of the articulations, you can select the behaviour you want in the Position menu -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
On Nov 22, 2007, at 12:12 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: I don't know why I haven't seen this before, but in Finale 2007 (and probably 2008) if you use the macro method to apply articulations, the articulations get attached to notes in every layer instead of just the layer you are working on. I don't believe this is a feature, because previous versions didn't behave this way and it isn't a good way to work. (It also contradicts the way most other tools work, except Smart Tools.) To elaborate: In the articulation tool, hold down, say, number 1 (staccato for me), draw a box around some notes, including notes in other layers, and let go. All the notes in all the layers get staccatos. Is this bug well known or reproducible on other systems? Not only does this happen in 2007-08 but also 2005-06 and probably before. It has worked this way for as long as I remember, and yes, it is a mighty pain in pre-2008 versions. However, in 2008 (I haven't checked 2007) the articulations in the suppled default files are much smarter, as there is a new setting to flip them to the correct side when they are applied to layers. At least, in a classical setting they are correct. If you are in a jazz or commercial style where you want most articulations above the note instead of opposite the stem, then the new feature won't do it properly and you have to go back to flipping them by hand. I wish there was a command to move them to the opposite side without dragging, like there is for tuplets and slurs. Anybody? Christopher (BTW, I find that often in older files opened in 2008, the tuplet flip command doesn't work. Sigh.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
Randolph Peters wrote: I don't believe this is a feature, because previous versions didn't behave this way Previous versions had _different_ behaviour for single-click and drag-enclose. The old click method made even less sense, for example (describing how it used to work in the old Finale versions): 1. You have a 2-layer piece 2. You held down a metatool key and clicked a note, just to notice that the metatool was placed on the other note layer To elaborate: In the articulation tool, hold down, say, number 1 (staccato for me), draw a box around some notes, including notes in other layers, and let go. All the notes in all the layers get staccatos. ...which is AFAIK how it has been since metatool-drag-enclosing of articulation was introduced: it reflected MassEdit's "Apply Articulation". I just tested your description in Finale 2003 and it works just the same way. Is this bug [...] You're saying that a consistent behavior is more buggy? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
I don't use these late versions (I already found problems in 2005 and 2006 I don't like), but can you get around the problem by showing only the active layer? JR On 11/22/07 12:12 AM, "Randolph Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know why I haven't seen this before, but in Finale 2007 (and > probably 2008) if you use the macro method to apply articulations, > the articulations get attached to notes in every layer instead of > just the layer you are working on. > > I don't believe this is a feature, because previous versions didn't > behave this way and it isn't a good way to work. (It also contradicts > the way most other tools work, except Smart Tools.) > > To elaborate: In the articulation tool, hold down, say, number 1 > (staccato for me), draw a box around some notes, including notes in > other layers, and let go. All the notes in all the layers get > staccatos. > > Is this bug well known or reproducible on other systems? > > -Randolph Peters > > Mac OS 10.5.1 > Finale 2007 > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
if it's a bug, I'm glad it's there - I often have situations where I need artics applied to more than one layer. Having to manually switch to all layers involved, would add lots of time to the process. One can always display only one layer and then apply the macro - that way you will only get artics in that layer - and if you assign a macro for showing layers (with Quickeys for instance), then setting that up goes real fast. My 2 cents, Thomas Schaller On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:12 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: I don't know why I haven't seen this before, but in Finale 2007 (and probably 2008) if you use the macro method to apply articulations, the articulations get attached to notes in every layer instead of just the layer you are working on. I don't believe this is a feature, because previous versions didn't behave this way and it isn't a good way to work. (It also contradicts the way most other tools work, except Smart Tools.) To elaborate: In the articulation tool, hold down, say, number 1 (staccato for me), draw a box around some notes, including notes in other layers, and let go. All the notes in all the layers get staccatos. Is this bug well known or reproducible on other systems? -Randolph Peters Mac OS 10.5.1 Finale 2007 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Articulation Macro Bug
I don't know why I haven't seen this before, but in Finale 2007 (and probably 2008) if you use the macro method to apply articulations, the articulations get attached to notes in every layer instead of just the layer you are working on. I don't believe this is a feature, because previous versions didn't behave this way and it isn't a good way to work. (It also contradicts the way most other tools work, except Smart Tools.) To elaborate: In the articulation tool, hold down, say, number 1 (staccato for me), draw a box around some notes, including notes in other layers, and let go. All the notes in all the layers get staccatos. Is this bug well known or reproducible on other systems? -Randolph Peters Mac OS 10.5.1 Finale 2007 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
