[Finale] Brass mute playback in Finale 2007?
I have tried to look in the user's manual but haven't found anything about how Finale can be configured to play back brass muted. I notice that when I enter the word straight as a text expression, Finale automatically plays back with a muted trumpet (although it sounds to me more like harmon than straight mute but that's another story...). So far, so good. However, the same does not happen for cup, bucket or harmon, not even when combining these words with mute. How does this work? I understand this has something to do with HP, for which I use the style type Jazz - I note that when setting for example None then the automatic muting of trumpets does not occur. So the recognition of the word straight seems to be built-in to the jazz HP style. But when looking at the Human Playback Dictionary in the manual this word is not mentioned at all. And, as far as I can see, no idea on how to control this... If this is well described in the manual I would be happy just for an idea what to look for. Thanks /D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brass mute playback in Finale 2007?
Dan Tillberg wrote: I have tried to look in the user's manual but haven't found anything about how Finale can be configured to play back brass muted. I notice that when I enter the word straight as a text expression, Finale automatically plays back with a muted trumpet (although it sounds to me more like harmon than straight mute but that's another story...). So far, so good. However, the same does not happen for cup, bucket or harmon, not even when combining these words with mute. How does this work? I understand this has something to do with HP, for which I use the style type Jazz - I note that when setting for example None then the automatic muting of trumpets does not occur. So the recognition of the word straight seems to be built-in to the jazz HP style. But when looking at the Human Playback Dictionary in the manual this word is not mentioned at all. And, as far as I can see, no idea on how to control this... If this is well described in the manual I would be happy just for an idea what to look for. Thanks /D You have to modify the expression definition. Alas, the only muted trumpet sound they have is a harmon mute. There might be better in the Garritan libraries, but that's not available in 2K7. To modify the expression definition properly, you go into the text Expression Designed (right-click on the expression, then choose 'edit expression definition), then click on the Playback tab and choose Patch from the type of expression and then choose Muted Trumpet from the patch list. Don't forget to reverse this when you enter the OPEN expression when you take the mute out. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brass mute playback in Finale 2007?
Or just turn on Human Playback and create an expression that says mute. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 18 Apr 2009, at 11:19 AM, Carl Dershem wrote: You have to modify the expression definition. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brass mute playback in Finale 2007?
OK, thanks. So I gathered. But what about the automagic recognition of the word straight? Is that documented? Is it configurable? Is it extendable? /D Dan Tillberg wrote: I have tried to look in the user's manual but haven't found anything about how Finale can be configured to play back brass muted. I notice that when I enter the word straight as a text expression, Finale automatically plays back with a muted trumpet (although it sounds to me more like harmon than straight mute but that's another story...). So far, so good. However, the same does not happen for cup, bucket or harmon, not even when combining these words with mute. How does this work? I understand this has something to do with HP, for which I use the style type Jazz - I note that when setting for example None then the automatic muting of trumpets does not occur. So the recognition of the word straight seems to be built-in to the jazz HP style. But when looking at the Human Playback Dictionary in the manual this word is not mentioned at all. And, as far as I can see, no idea on how to control this... If this is well described in the manual I would be happy just for an idea what to look for. Thanks /D You have to modify the expression definition. Alas, the only muted trumpet sound they have is a harmon mute. There might be better in the Garritan libraries, but that's not available in 2K7. To modify the expression definition properly, you go into the text Expression Designed (right-click on the expression, then choose 'edit expression definition), then click on the Playback tab and choose Patch from the type of expression and then choose Muted Trumpet from the patch list. Don't forget to reverse this when you enter the OPEN expression when you take the mute out. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brass mute playback in Finale 2007?
Dan Tillberg wrote: OK, thanks. So I gathered. But what about the automagic recognition of the word straight? Is that documented? Is it configurable? Is it extendable? /D Automatic? Whaddya think this is, a computer or something? Oh. Nope - it's just a setting you have to configure yourself. If you set it once in your default template it will always work, but it has to be set up before it'll work. Just set it under all of your mutes (they'll all sound a like, but...) and remember not to use those for your trombones and it'll be fine. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brass mute playback in Finale 2007?
Hi Dan, There are two issues here: 1) Assuming you are using the SoftSynth trumpet, or the lite Garritan trumpet included with Finale, the only muted sound available is a harmon sound. If you want the sound of a cup mute, or a bucket mute, etc, you need to purchase the full version of Garrtian Jazz and Big Band. And yes, the mutes there are automagic, so when you select the Trumpet KS instruments for playback (KS = keyswitch, meaning the instrument contains multiple sounds -- in this case, open horn plus a variety of mutes), when Human Playback encounters the expression cup it will trigger a cup mute sound. 2) If you don't care about the specific muted sound but just want to trigger the default harmon sound for all mutes, then on the mute change, just add the expression mute and hide it. Hidden expressions still affect Human Playback, so you can have a (visible, printing) cup in the part, plus a hidden, nonprinting mute for Human Playback purposes. No need to define anything for playback. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 18 Apr 2009, at 11:03 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote: OK, thanks. So I gathered. But what about the automagic recognition of the word straight? Is that documented? Is it configurable? Is it extendable? /D Dan Tillberg wrote: I have tried to look in the user's manual but haven't found anything about how Finale can be configured to play back brass muted. I notice that when I enter the word straight as a text expression, Finale automatically plays back with a muted trumpet (although it sounds to me more like harmon than straight mute but that's another story...). So far, so good. However, the same does not happen for cup, bucket or harmon, not even when combining these words with mute. How does this work? I understand this has something to do with HP, for which I use the style type Jazz - I note that when setting for example None then the automatic muting of trumpets does not occur. So the recognition of the word straight seems to be built-in to the jazz HP style. But when looking at the Human Playback Dictionary in the manual this word is not mentioned at all. And, as far as I can see, no idea on how to control this... If this is well described in the manual I would be happy just for an idea what to look for. Thanks /D You have to modify the expression definition. Alas, the only muted trumpet sound they have is a harmon mute. There might be better in the Garritan libraries, but that's not available in 2K7. To modify the expression definition properly, you go into the text Expression Designed (right-click on the expression, then choose 'edit expression definition), then click on the Playback tab and choose Patch from the type of expression and then choose Muted Trumpet from the patch list. Don't forget to reverse this when you enter the OPEN expression when you take the mute out. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
