Re: [Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:58 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: I think you are saying that fp and mute changes are broken in 2014 without regard to whether or not you use the Change Instrument feature. Yes - should have been more clear. There are those problems and various other HP problems (note off coming too late, e.g.) that one really hopes will be fixed in the so-called 2014.5 release. Amen. But re: mute changes, if you are talking about the Garritan JABB3 library, I went around and around on that with support. Ultimately the answer was to go into the HP rules for Garritan and change the text string from jabb to jazz or maybe it was the other way around. If I can find where that is, I will try it. Thanks. That seemed to work in most cases, but not in cases where I used an older template. If I created a whole new template under 2014 and made those HP/Garritan rule changes, then the mutes worked in response to the standard mute expressions that come in when using the setup wizard. The exception was straight mute. Apparently HP gets confused with the ambiguity between straight mute and straight 8ths. So if I use the Straight expression that is clearly intended for straight mute, no keyswitch happens. However if I use the expression that simply says mute then straight mute is keyswitched. So in the worst case, I can show the Straight marking and include a hidden mute marking. I hope this makes a little sense. On 4/6/2015 2:54 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Craig, I agree with Darcy. The feature works well. What I haven’t been able to get to work in 2014 are the brass mute changes, and fp gets strange playback results. I have learned to live with these playback limitations and hope they get fixed in the next version. ( Maybe there’s a way to mess with HP settings to get the mutes to work in 2014. but it used to work without any special dithering in 2012.) Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
OK. I'll give it a try next time out. Being the master of jazz textures, you might appreciate my latest arrangement -- (Every Time We Say Goodbye) -- where we wanted to take advantage of the bari sax player also being an alto flute double. So that chart is 2 C flutes, alto flute and 2 clarinets plus the normal brass mostly in mutes. (The chart wasn't 100% successful. I may still give it another revision, but the textures are cool.) This chart didn't have any instrument changes, but that band likes to use bass clarinet instead of bari and lots of combinations of saxes, flutes, and clarinets. So I'll have good opportunities to use this feature. And if the feature works that well, I might do more instrument changes. That keeps the players more engaged, and the audience is really captured by the doubling, especially in the front line (the sax section.) They haven't let me play cimbasso yet. :) On 4/6/2015 12:27 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, You should certainly be using the Change Instrument feature. For starters, it greatly simplifies part creation, and allows for mid-system instrument changes. There is this one playback issue I described (which I don't recall being a problem prior to Finale 2014) but certainly the benefits FAR, FAR outweigh this one particular drawback. Cheers, - DJA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
Craig, I agree with Darcy. The feature works well. What I haven’t been able to get to work in 2014 are the brass mute changes, and fp gets strange playback results. I have learned to live with these playback limitations and hope they get fixed in the next version. ( Maybe there’s a way to mess with HP settings to get the mutes to work in 2014. but it used to work without any special dithering in 2012.) Chuck On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: OK. I'll give it a try next time out. Being the master of jazz textures, you might appreciate my latest arrangement -- (Every Time We Say Goodbye) -- where we wanted to take advantage of the bari sax player also being an alto flute double. So that chart is 2 C flutes, alto flute and 2 clarinets plus the normal brass mostly in mutes. (The chart wasn't 100% successful. I may still give it another revision, but the textures are cool.) This chart didn't have any instrument changes, but that band likes to use bass clarinet instead of bari and lots of combinations of saxes, flutes, and clarinets. So I'll have good opportunities to use this feature. And if the feature works that well, I might do more instrument changes. That keeps the players more engaged, and the audience is really captured by the doubling, especially in the front line (the sax section.) They haven't let me play cimbasso yet. :) On 4/6/2015 12:27 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, You should certainly be using the Change Instrument feature. For starters, it greatly simplifies part creation, and allows for mid-system instrument changes. There is this one playback issue I described (which I don't recall being a problem prior to Finale 2014) but certainly the benefits FAR, FAR outweigh this one particular drawback. Cheers, - DJA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
I think you are saying that fp and mute changes are broken in 2014 without regard to whether or not you use the Change Instrument feature. There are those problems and various other HP problems (note off coming too late, e.g.) that one really hopes will be fixed in the so-called 2014.5 release. But re: mute changes, if you are talking about the Garritan JABB3 library, I went around and around on that with support. Ultimately the answer was to go into the HP rules for Garritan and change the text string from jabb to jazz or maybe it was the other way around. That seemed to work in most cases, but not in cases where I used an older template. If I created a whole new template under 2014 and made those HP/Garritan rule changes, then the mutes worked in response to the standard mute expressions that come in when using the setup wizard. The exception was straight mute. Apparently HP gets confused with the ambiguity between straight mute and straight 8ths. So if I use the Straight expression that is clearly intended for straight mute, no keyswitch happens. However if I use the expression that simply says mute then straight mute is keyswitched. So in the worst case, I can show the Straight marking and include a hidden mute marking. I hope this makes a little sense. On 4/6/2015 2:54 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Craig, I agree with Darcy. The feature works well. What I haven’t been able to get to work in 2014 are the brass mute changes, and fp gets strange playback results. I have learned to live with these playback limitations and hope they get fixed in the next version. ( Maybe there’s a way to mess with HP settings to get the mutes to work in 2014. but it used to work without any special dithering in 2012.) Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
Sorry I can't help because I don't use Mac. But this raises a question for me. I wasn't aware of this Change Instrument feature. Whenever I have had a player with doubles, I have set up a staff for each instrument, put them all together in manage parts, then use Hide Empty Staves so that there is only one staff on the part. That is straightforward and has always worked fine for me. My question is whether this Change Instruments feature is significantly easier (assuming it all works correctly). I guess the Change Instrument approach would end up with fewer instruments in the score, which would be a benefit. Basically this is a question of what is the best practice. On 4/5/2015 12:27 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I should clarify that I mean use the Change Instrument feature to create an instrument change mid-piece, rather than selecting the entire staff and changing the instrument for the entire duration. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, Can anyone else confirm that if you use the Change Instrument feature in Finale 2014 to switch to an instrument double, the new instrument does not respond to any dynamics or hairpins? (N.B. I have Human Playback on and am using Garritan instruments.) Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
Hi Craig, You should certainly be using the Change Instrument feature. For starters, it greatly simplifies part creation, and allows for mid-system instrument changes. There is this one playback issue I described (which I don't recall being a problem prior to Finale 2014) but certainly the benefits FAR, FAR outweigh this one particular drawback. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:37 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: Sorry I can't help because I don't use Mac. But this raises a question for me. I wasn't aware of this Change Instrument feature. Whenever I have had a player with doubles, I have set up a staff for each instrument, put them all together in manage parts, then use Hide Empty Staves so that there is only one staff on the part. That is straightforward and has always worked fine for me. My question is whether this Change Instruments feature is significantly easier (assuming it all works correctly). I guess the Change Instrument approach would end up with fewer instruments in the score, which would be a benefit. Basically this is a question of what is the best practice. On 4/5/2015 12:27 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I should clarify that I mean use the Change Instrument feature to create an instrument change mid-piece, rather than selecting the entire staff and changing the instrument for the entire duration. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, Can anyone else confirm that if you use the Change Instrument feature in Finale 2014 to switch to an instrument double, the new instrument does not respond to any dynamics or hairpins? (N.B. I have Human Playback on and am using Garritan instruments.) Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
Hi all, Can anyone else confirm that if you use the Change Instrument feature in Finale 2014 to switch to an instrument double, the new instrument does not respond to any dynamics or hairpins? (N.B. I have Human Playback on and am using Garritan instruments.) Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Change Instrument in FinMac2014?
I should clarify that I mean use the Change Instrument feature to create an instrument change mid-piece, rather than selecting the entire staff and changing the instrument for the entire duration. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, Can anyone else confirm that if you use the Change Instrument feature in Finale 2014 to switch to an instrument double, the new instrument does not respond to any dynamics or hairpins? (N.B. I have Human Playback on and am using Garritan instruments.) Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
