Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
Hello Paul, I've seen this on occasion. It has to do with using a dotted smart shape within a system. These shapes CAN give you the results you are seeing. It's not always a consistent problem. The 3rd system is not using any dotted smart shapes so as you can see there is no problems. As an experiment, remove all dotted lines and recreate the PDF. You will see everything perfectly. This is very difficult to fix. I have had to hunt and peck around to find the corrupt item that causes the problem. I generally erase notes, measures, etc...then re-enter them which sometimes takes care of the problem. It's not easy and very frustrating. I've also seen this happen on proofs back from the press and it is usually a problem with the printer's RIP. I've also seen restarting the computer and recompiling fix the problem. This issue is not only relevant to 2009, it goes back quite a few versions. I hope this helps you track down the problem. Steve Fiskum 2/19/10 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
With Mac 10.5 you can often solve font-related issues by clearing the font cache. (Google the topic and you will find much discussion and suggested solutions.) When I switched to Leopard I had mound of similar sounding problems until I cleared my font cache. If your Finale file contains embedded (or linked) EPS files, you *must* compile to PS then use Apple Preview to convert to PDF. Printing straight to PDF from Finale inserts the placeholder rather than the EPS into the PDF (at least as of Fin09. They might have fixed this in Fin10.) Generally I find that Apple Preview is more reliable than Adobe Reader, but I have not worked much with the latest version of Adobe Reader. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
This happens to me all too often. As Steve says, it can be hunt-and-peck. I've learned to back up to the last good symbol that has a line involved, and delete it. I'd do the 104 rectangle first (assuming the previous page is good). Then the dashed slur. Sometimes just moving them a little gets rid of the problem. The trick is finding the last item with a line of some kind that's entered in a given measure just before the problem appears -- the order seems to matter. If I change a measure and enter a graphical item earlier or later, the problem may go away (or may move to another place in the score). I chased one of these down for hours two years ago in a big orchestral score with lots of lines and curves. I'd fix one and it would move down a page or two. Eventually I chased it off the end. :) Dennis On Mon, February 22, 2010 9:57 am, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Hello Paul, I've seen this on occasion. It has to do with using a dotted smart shape within a system. These shapes CAN give you the results you are seeing. It's not always a consistent problem. The 3rd system is not using any dotted smart shapes so as you can see there is no problems. As an experiment, remove all dotted lines and recreate the PDF. You will see everything perfectly. This is very difficult to fix. I have had to hunt and peck around to find the corrupt item that causes the problem. I generally erase notes, measures, etc...then re-enter them which sometimes takes care of the problem. It's not easy and very frustrating. I've also seen this happen on proofs back from the press and it is usually a problem with the printer's RIP. I've also seen restarting the computer and recompiling fix the problem. This issue is not only relevant to 2009, it goes back quite a few versions. I hope this helps you track down the problem. Steve Fiskum 2/19/10 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
Remember too, that Smart lines using custom arrowheads do not print to PDF at all, causing errors in the PDF and EPS creation. I think I remember there being issues with rotated text in Smart Lines too, but I can't remember now what it was exactly. Christopher On Mon Feb 22, at MondayFeb 22 10:26 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: This happens to me all too often. As Steve says, it can be hunt-and-peck. I've learned to back up to the last good symbol that has a line involved, and delete it. I'd do the 104 rectangle first (assuming the previous page is good). Then the dashed slur. Sometimes just moving them a little gets rid of the problem. The trick is finding the last item with a line of some kind that's entered in a given measure just before the problem appears -- the order seems to matter. If I change a measure and enter a graphical item earlier or later, the problem may go away (or may move to another place in the score). I chased one of these down for hours two years ago in a big orchestral score with lots of lines and curves. I'd fix one and it would move down a page or two. Eventually I chased it off the end. :) Dennis On Mon, February 22, 2010 9:57 am, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Hello Paul, I've seen this on occasion. It has to do with using a dotted smart shape within a system. These shapes CAN give you the results you are seeing. It's not always a consistent problem. The 3rd system is not using any dotted smart shapes so as you can see there is no problems. As an experiment, remove all dotted lines and recreate the PDF. You will see everything perfectly. This is very difficult to fix. I have had to hunt and peck around to find the corrupt item that causes the problem. I generally erase notes, measures, etc...then re-enter them which sometimes takes care of the problem. It's not easy and very frustrating. I've also seen this happen on proofs back from the press and it is usually a problem with the printer's RIP. I've also seen restarting the computer and recompiling fix the problem. This issue is not only relevant to 2009, it goes back quite a few versions. I hope this helps you track down the problem. Steve Fiskum 2/19/10 5:35 PM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
Am 20.02.10 00:35, schrieb Paul Hayden: 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? I don't know, but it seems to work for some and not for others. I have used this method without problems in the past. 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? You cannot embed fonts in a TIF file. PICTs are a little more complicated, but I believe you cannot embed fonts either. TIFs are bitmap files, while PICTs are a mixture. Whatever the case, I would not use any of those formats if you want to make PDFs from Finale files. You lose the font and vector information and the PDFs are effectively bitmaps. 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Yes, normally they are, although with Adobe Distiller I believe you could force it not to embed. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
FinMac09 Mac OS X 10.5.8 Finale, export as EPS or compile PS listing, convert to PDF with Distiller or with Apple Preview. I get this (missing staff lines, stems, multimeasure rest symbol, Smart Shapes): http://files.me.com/haydenp/ozvsg5. Finale, export as TIF or PIC, convert to PDF with Preview. All is okay. Finale, Print, PDFSave as PDF. All is okay. 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
