Re: [Finale] Elision Slurs in lyrics

2019-08-10 Thread Robert Patterson
I actually need it for English, which means there can be consonants in the
elision as well. Example: "care-fully" where there is an elision-slur
centered under the two ells (and no space between them). It seems like the
ideal would be single character that looks like the elision and has zero
width (centered). My font editing days may be behind me, but there was a
time when I could have made one. (Though it may have required kerning
against every possible combo. I don't remember it well enough now.)

Anyway, it's ridiculous Finale can't do it natively.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 11:10 AM Fiskum, Steve  wrote:

> Hello Robert,
>
> I deal with these types of elisions everyday. Back in the day we used to
> use an expression that was attached to a note. It worked well until I
> finally took the time to create fonts with editor specific placements for
> the many combinations of Spanish hymnal texts. I would share the font but
> it was created for a specific publisher.
>
> In the link below is the "key" I created to work with the font. Hopefully
> this can help you figure out a system that may work for you, if you decide
> to create a font - OR - I've included the elision shape expression library
> I used in the earlier versions of Finale, that I still sometimes use.
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/grk6qjpymzrrszo/BpN1qzYMJUQDT7h1bOCua?dl=0
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Cheers!
> Steve Fiskum
>
> 
> From: Finale  on behalf of Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:37 AM
> To: finale
> Subject: [Finale] Elision Slurs in lyrics
>
> Does anyone know a more professional approach to elisions than the way
> suggested in the Finale manual? The manual proposes the character shift-I
> from the Engraver Font Set. The big problem with that is that it leaves a
> gap between the two syllables. This is visually the opposite of what we
> want with an elision. In hymn books you often encounter two syllables
> eilided with no gap and a slur connecting them underneath. The official
> Finale technique, in my opinion (at least for English), is worse than just
> omitting elision slurs.
>
> I suppose I could use a shape expression, but that certainly would be
> tedious.
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Re: [Finale] Elision Slurs in lyrics

2019-08-10 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Hello Robert,

I deal with these types of elisions everyday. Back in the day we used to use an 
expression that was attached to a note. It worked well until I finally took the 
time to create fonts with editor specific placements for the many combinations 
of Spanish hymnal texts. I would share the font but it was created for a 
specific publisher. 

In the link below is the "key" I created to work with the font. Hopefully this 
can help you figure out a system that may work for you, if you decide to create 
a font - OR - I've included the elision shape expression library I used in the 
earlier versions of Finale, that I still sometimes use.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/grk6qjpymzrrszo/BpN1qzYMJUQDT7h1bOCua?dl=0

Hope this is helpful.

Cheers!
Steve Fiskum


From: Finale  on behalf of Robert Patterson 

Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:37 AM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] Elision Slurs in lyrics

Does anyone know a more professional approach to elisions than the way
suggested in the Finale manual? The manual proposes the character shift-I
from the Engraver Font Set. The big problem with that is that it leaves a
gap between the two syllables. This is visually the opposite of what we
want with an elision. In hymn books you often encounter two syllables
eilided with no gap and a slur connecting them underneath. The official
Finale technique, in my opinion (at least for English), is worse than just
omitting elision slurs.

I suppose I could use a shape expression, but that certainly would be
tedious.
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Re: [Finale] Elision Slurs in lyrics

2019-08-10 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz

On 2019-08-10 09:37, Robert Patterson wrote:

Does anyone know a more professional approach to elisions than the way
suggested in the Finale manual? The manual proposes the character 
shift-I
from the Engraver Font Set. The big problem with that is that it leaves 
a

gap between the two syllables. This is visually the opposite of what we
want with an elision. In hymn books you often encounter two syllables
eilided with no gap and a slur connecting them underneath. The official
Finale technique, in my opinion (at least for English), is worse than 
just

omitting elision slurs.


If you don't use up all the verses, it seems that you could create a 
verse with just the elision slurs and move it upward with the triangles. 
Just a thought.


Dennis

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[Finale] Elision Slurs in lyrics

2019-08-10 Thread Robert Patterson
Does anyone know a more professional approach to elisions than the way
suggested in the Finale manual? The manual proposes the character shift-I
from the Engraver Font Set. The big problem with that is that it leaves a
gap between the two syllables. This is visually the opposite of what we
want with an elision. In hymn books you often encounter two syllables
eilided with no gap and a slur connecting them underneath. The official
Finale technique, in my opinion (at least for English), is worse than just
omitting elision slurs.

I suppose I could use a shape expression, but that certainly would be
tedious.
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