Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-02 Thread Lawrence Yates
I seem to have missed the posting that gave the URL of the blog, could
someone repost it for me please,

Cheers,

Lawrence


 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Andrew Levin ale...@clemson.edu wrote:

  Justin,
 
  You wrote in your blog that Finale 2012b would include:
 

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-02 Thread Nigel Hanley
Here it is

http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.aspx


On 02/06/2012, at 6:11 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote:

 I seem to have missed the posting that gave the URL of the blog, could
 someone repost it for me please,
 
 Cheers,
 
 Lawrence
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Andrew Levin ale...@clemson.edu wrote:
 
 Justin,
 
 You wrote in your blog that Finale 2012b would include:
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
Where did you read that it will be free?  Any reference to free that I 
saw in Justin's blog was to the free update for Finale2012.  He didn't 
mention what the price will be for the Finale app for the iPad.

David H. Bailey


On 5/31/2012 10:32 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote:
 You sure expect a lot for FREE. They will get there, just let them get 
 started.

 Steve
 
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Eric 
 Dannewitz [ericd...@jazz-sax.com]
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:29 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

 If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at
 least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer,
 I'd stick with forscore.

 Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts
 that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally
 pass on this app.

 I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a
 music keyboard to it.

 Sent from my iSomething
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 jphill...@makemusic.com  wrote:

 It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
 shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
 designed as a music viewing and performance tool.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-01 Thread SN jef chippewa

i don't plan on using this iPad thing, but it might be good for 
someone who is interested to gather some of the comments together 
discussed here and submit them to MM.

cheers,
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-01 Thread Phillips, Justin
It's a free app.

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On 6/1/12 4:37 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
wrote:

Where did you read that it will be free?  Any reference to free that I
saw in Justin's blog was to the free update for Finale2012.  He didn't
mention what the price will be for the Finale app for the iPad.

David H. Bailey


On 5/31/2012 10:32 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote:
 You sure expect a lot for FREE. They will get there, just let them get
started.

 Steve
 
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Eric Dannewitz [ericd...@jazz-sax.com]
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:29 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

 If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at
 least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer,
 I'd stick with forscore.

 Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts
 that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally
 pass on this app.

 I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a
 music keyboard to it.

 Sent from my iSomething
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 On May 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillips, Justin
 jphill...@makemusic.com  wrote:

 It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
 shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
 designed as a music viewing and performance tool.

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 Portfolio Manager - Notation Products
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-01 Thread Andrew Levin
Justin,

You wrote in your blog that Finale 2012b would include:

popular feature requests, bug fixes, and entirely new features, too.

Could you give us any information on what those might be? I'm on Finale 2011 
and decided to wait for 2013. Now that that will be a year away I might 
consider getting 2012, provided the extras in 2012b are worth it (considering 
my needs).

The problem is, your upgrade price is good only through June 15. Will you be 
releasing more information before then? I won't upgrade without more 
information, but I don't want to lose out on the discount, either.

Thanks.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
On 6/1/2012 8:44 AM, Phillips, Justin wrote:
 It's a free app.



Excellent!  Thank you.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-01 Thread Raymond Horton
Exactly the same for me.

Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Andrew Levin ale...@clemson.edu wrote:

 Justin,

 You wrote in your blog that Finale 2012b would include:

 popular feature requests, bug fixes, and entirely new features, too.

 Could you give us any information on what those might be? I'm on Finale
 2011 and decided to wait for 2013. Now that that will be a year away I
 might consider getting 2012, provided the extras in 2012b are worth it
 (considering my needs).

 The problem is, your upgrade price is good only through June 15. Will you
 be releasing more information before then? I won't upgrade without more
 information, but I don't want to lose out on the discount, either.

 Thanks.

 Andrew Levin
 Finale user since 1991
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-06-01 Thread Nigel Hanley
ditto what Andrew said.


On 02/06/2012, at 1:36 AM, Andrew Levin wrote:

 Justin,
 
 You wrote in your blog that Finale 2012b would include:
 
 popular feature requests, bug fixes, and entirely new features, too.
 
 Could you give us any information on what those might be? I'm on Finale 2011 
 and decided to wait for 2013. Now that that will be a year away I might 
 consider getting 2012, provided the extras in 2012b are worth it (considering 
 my needs).
 
 The problem is, your upgrade price is good only through June 15. Will you be 
 releasing more information before then? I won't upgrade without more 
 information, but I don't want to lose out on the discount, either.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread David H. Bailey
Justin,

Thank you very much for helping convince MakeMusic to break the annual 
upgrade cycle.  I am delighted that there won't be a Finale2013 this 
year and look forward to great things with the new 'release it when it's 
ready' mentality.

And I'm thrilled also that you're releasing an iPad app -- I hope it 
competes nicely with the current notation apps which are doing excellent 
things -- Symphony Pro and Notion.  I'm using them interchangeably 
to create initial arrangements when I'm away from home and then using 
MusicXML to export the pieces from the iPad to my computer and will be 
eager to see what your development team have come up with to compete.  I 
hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine 
for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them.

And thank you for being so open about all this -- I hope it represents a 
new era in Finale's concern for their end-users.

Thank you!
David H. Bailey



On 5/30/2012 11:16 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote:
 Between the number 13 and the Mayan Apocalypse, I thought we'd throw the
 towel in this year :-).

 It is coincidence however that it happened to be what would have become
 the 2013 version. We won't be moving back to the yearly release cycle
 even after the next major release next year.

 We try to keep OS support as long as we can, but when it starts to become
 difficult to develop for using the tools Apple suggests you use for 10.6,
 10.7 and 10.8, we have to stat moving away from it. We're at the point we
 cannot make some needed technological updates and feature changes without
 moving on. The other factor here is the low number of 10.5 and PPC users
 we have currently. It's hard to justify development time and QA costs when
 it gets under a handful of percentage points of users. This used to be not
 as big of a deal when Apple charged much more for OS upgrades, but at $29,
 people are moving to new versions much quicker and Apple is dropping
 support for their older technologies faster than in the past.

 As for the plug-ins, we'll try and help with support of those as much as
 we can.



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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-05-31 12:36, David H. Bailey wrote:
 I
 hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine
 for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them.

Playing, viewing, printing in the version released now. MM has been 
pretty clear about this since NAMM.


Best regards,

Jari Williamsson

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-05-31 05:30, Girard Bowe wrote:

 In JazzFont, the dot in the dotted eighth rest is too far separated from the
 rest. Changing the spacing in Document Options then results in a dot too
  close to a quarter rest.

Takes about 3 seconds to correct with a current JW Change (beta).


Best regards,

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Christopher Smith

On Thu May 31, at ThursdayMay 31 7:08 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:

 On 2012-05-31 05:30, Girard Bowe wrote:
 
 In JazzFont, the dot in the dotted eighth rest is too far separated from the
 rest. Changing the spacing in Document Options then results in a dot too
 close to a quarter rest.
 
 Takes about 3 seconds to correct with a current JW Change (beta).
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Jari Williamsson

Jari,

Thanks for pointing that out (I didn't know!) and thanks for addressing it in 
the plugin, but honestly, this is something that broke several versions ago and 
should have been corrected immediately.

I have such a list of things to do to Finale files to work around problems like 
this one that it is getting hard to get work done. I sincerely hope the 
mid-term version addresses some of these bugs.

Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread David H. Bailey
There's a Finale app?  I checked the iTunes App store this morning and 
there was nothing that turned up when I entered Finale in the search 
bar.  Too bad there's no editing.

What's it called?

David H. Bailey

On 5/31/2012 7:10 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:
 On 2012-05-31 12:36, David H. Bailey wrote:
 I
 hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine
 for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them.

 Playing, viewing, printing in the version released now. MM has been
 pretty clear about this since NAMM.


 Best regards,

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Phillips, Justin
It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
designed as a music viewing and performance tool.

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MakeMusic, Inc
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On 5/31/12 12:59 PM, David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:

There's a Finale app?  I checked the iTunes App store this morning and
there was nothing that turned up when I entered Finale in the search
bar.  Too bad there's no editing.

What's it called?

David H. Bailey

On 5/31/2012 7:10 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:
 On 2012-05-31 12:36, David H. Bailey wrote:
 I
 hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine
 for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them.

 Playing, viewing, printing in the version released now. MM has been
 pretty clear about this since NAMM.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread David H. Bailey
On 5/31/2012 2:30 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote:
 It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
 shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
 designed as a music viewing and performance tool.



Thanks for the clarification -- any chance of there being editing 
capabilities added soon?  Or even possibly a whole new app for notation? 
  There are so many musicians who are using iPads for mobile musical 
work that I think Finale could gain a whole new marketplace should you 
add a notation app.  Notion is alright as far as it goes but it's too 
much like the PC/Mac Notion program for my tastes.  And Symphony Pro 
also is alright as far as it goes, but it, too, has severe limitations 
for those of us used to the capabilities of Finale and Sibelius.  And 
I've heard nothing from Sibelius about the possibility of a notation 
app, so the marketplace is wide open for Finale to capture.

I'd even buy a new iPad to replace my original iPad if Finale came out 
with a notation app which required the increased RAM and the better 
processing and graphics capabilities of the new iPad.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Eric Dannewitz
If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at
least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer,
I'd stick with forscore.

Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts
that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally
pass on this app.

I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a
music keyboard to it.

Sent from my iSomething
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On May 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillips, Justin
jphill...@makemusic.com wrote:

 It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
 shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
 designed as a music viewing and performance tool.

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 Portfolio Manager - Notation Products
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Phillips, Justin
I foresee editing as a separate app with a totally different feature set.
While I can't comment now on future plans regarding mobile, I can
definitely say it's on my radar.

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On 5/31/12 2:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:

If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at
least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer,
I'd stick with forscore.

Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts
that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally
pass on this app.

I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a
music keyboard to it.

Sent from my iSomething
--

On May 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillips, Justin
jphill...@makemusic.com wrote:

 It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
 shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
 designed as a music viewing and performance tool.

 --
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread David H. Bailey
On 5/31/2012 4:55 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote:
 I foresee editing as a separate app with a totally different feature set.
 While I can't comment now on future plans regarding mobile, I can
 definitely say it's on my radar.



Excellent -- I look forward to the day that such an app gets released!  :-)

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread John Howell
At 1:30 PM -0500 5/31/12, Phillips, Justin wrote:
It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
designed as a music viewing and performance tool.

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Viewing and performance, but not entering or 
editing?  That seems to be what a few folks are 
looking for.

John


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Fiskum, Steve
You sure expect a lot for FREE. They will get there, just let them get started.

Steve

From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Eric 
Dannewitz [ericd...@jazz-sax.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:29 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at
least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer,
I'd stick with forscore.

Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts
that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally
pass on this app.

I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a
music keyboard to it.

Sent from my iSomething
--

On May 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillips, Justin
jphill...@makemusic.com wrote:

 It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which
 shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is
 designed as a music viewing and performance tool.

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 Portfolio Manager - Notation Products
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-31 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Have you seen what a majority of free apps do on iOS? For a viewer of
finale files, it should be free.

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 You sure expect a lot for FREE. They will get there, just let them get 
 started.

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[Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-30 Thread SN jef chippewa

http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.aspx

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-30 Thread Robert Patterson
I think they just wanted to avoid the 13 moniker.

I am not at all happy to hear they are dropping support for 10.5, but by
the time it happens I may not care as much. Whether Patterson Plugins makes
the transition, especially on the Windows side, remains to be seen.

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM, SN jef chippewa 
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:


 http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.aspx

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Good. MakeMusic finally sees that they need to fix things rather than just 
making everyone pay for the next version and maybe fixing stuff.

Will totally be interested in the iPad app. Hopefully it will be great. They 
really need a SmartMusic iPad version…..  

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On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

 I think they just wanted to avoid the 13 moniker.
  
 I am not at all happy to hear they are dropping support for 10.5, but by
 the time it happens I may not care as much. Whether Patterson Plugins makes
 the transition, especially on the Windows side, remains to be seen.
  
 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM, SN jef chippewa 
 shirl...@newmusicnotation.com (mailto:shirl...@newmusicnotation.com) wrote:
  
   
  http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.aspx
   
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, May 30, 2012 9:44 pm, Robert Patterson wrote:
 Whether Patterson Plugins makes
 the transition, especially on the Windows side, remains to be seen.

I'll pay more!

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-30 Thread Phillips, Justin
Between the number 13 and the Mayan Apocalypse, I thought we'd throw the
towel in this year :-).

It is coincidence however that it happened to be what would have become
the 2013 version. We won't be moving back to the yearly release cycle
even after the next major release next year.

We try to keep OS support as long as we can, but when it starts to become
difficult to develop for using the tools Apple suggests you use for 10.6,
10.7 and 10.8, we have to stat moving away from it. We're at the point we
cannot make some needed technological updates and feature changes without
moving on. The other factor here is the low number of 10.5 and PPC users
we have currently. It's hard to justify development time and QA costs when
it gets under a handful of percentage points of users. This used to be not
as big of a deal when Apple charged much more for OS upgrades, but at $29,
people are moving to new versions much quicker and Apple is dropping
support for their older technologies faster than in the past.

As for the plug-ins, we'll try and help with support of those as much as
we can.

-- 
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Portfolio Manager - Notation Products
MakeMusic, Inc
763-772-3964






On 5/30/12 8:44 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:

I think they just wanted to avoid the 13 moniker.

I am not at all happy to hear they are dropping support for 10.5, but by
the time it happens I may not care as much. Whether Patterson Plugins
makes
the transition, especially on the Windows side, remains to be seen.

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM, SN jef chippewa 
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:


 
http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.as
px

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-30 Thread Girard Bowe
Might not be a bad idea to reiterate (on Justin's blog comments) some of the 
bug fixes and features we've been requesting. Here's a few off the top of my 
head:

In JazzFont, the dot in the dotted eighth rest is too far separated from the 
rest. Changing the spacing in Document Options then results in a dot too close 
to a quarter rest.

Checking Avoid Collisions of chord symbols can result in some very ugly spacing 
issues.

When using the Chord Tool, I have to right-click twice to get an arrow instead 
of the chord pointer ( I hope I'm explaining this clearly). Makes it very 
clunky when I want to change tools.

Can we get a decent looking letter Z in the JazzFont? 

How about a JazzFont version of the Bill Duncan chord library?

Giz



|-Original Message-
|From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
|Eric Dannewitz
|Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:50 PM
|To: finale@shsu.edu
|Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
|
|Good. MakeMusic finally sees that they need to fix things rather than just 
making
|everyone pay for the next version and maybe fixing stuff.



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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013

2012-05-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
They should just really buy Bill's fonts. Maestro could use his
articulations additions along with the rest of his excellent fonts

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On May 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote:

 Might not be a bad idea to reiterate (on Justin's blog comments) some of the 
 bug fixes and features we've been requesting. Here's a few off the top of my 
 head:

 In JazzFont, the dot in the dotted eighth rest is too far separated from the 
 rest. Changing the spacing in Document Options then results in a dot too 
 close to a quarter rest.

 Checking Avoid Collisions of chord symbols can result in some very ugly 
 spacing issues.

 When using the Chord Tool, I have to right-click twice to get an arrow 
 instead of the chord pointer ( I hope I'm explaining this clearly). Makes it 
 very clunky when I want to change tools.

 Can we get a decent looking letter Z in the JazzFont?

 How about a JazzFont version of the Bill Duncan chord library?

 Giz



 |-Original Message-
 |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
 |Eric Dannewitz
 |Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:50 PM
 |To: finale@shsu.edu
 |Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
 |
 |Good. MakeMusic finally sees that they need to fix things rather than just 
 making
 |everyone pay for the next version and maybe fixing stuff.



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