Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
On Thu, February 26, 2015 6:04 am, David H. Bailey wrote: Seeing that graphic I think your best bet is to enter them separately on each staff then in a high magnification merge the beams. Thanks, yes, that's what you're looking at both in that Finale screencap and in the later PDF screencap that I posted. http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/cross-staff-same-stem2.jpg I don't like it, though. Nor do I like the composer's original notation. I would have put the beam below. (With the exception of the rare stray note, I don't like a beam in the middle of groups of notes; I think it looks homely and doesn't help reading.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
On Wed, February 25, 2015 2:52 pm, Chuck Israels wrote: I haven’t seen this before - notes across staves on the same stem. I was referring to a situation (not so uncommon, I think) in which the notes cross staves but have individual stems. Sorry, I don’t know how to accomplish this. Yup. Thought it might still be a problem. It offsets the noteheads, but so do seconds. in this case, there are both (yippee!). That image is my kludge -- matching beams on two separate staves. This was a quick example of one measure (the beams are too low), but that's the idea. Fortunately, the composer has specified all flat beams. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
Here's what I mean: http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/cross-staff-same-stem.jpg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
Oh boy! I haven’t seen this before - notes across staves on the same stem. I was referring to a situation (not so uncommon, I think) in which the notes cross staves but have individual stems. Sorry, I don’t know how to accomplish this. Chuck On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Here's what I mean: http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/cross-staff-same-stem.jpg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
Good Kludge work Dennis! Looks weird but clean. I sure miss rests (where they would be) in the left hand. GJB On Wed, 2/25/15, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 2:45 PM Here's what I mean: http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/cross-staff-same-stem.jpg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
Eureka. Partly. Lower the beams of the lower layer of the bottom staff (with the special tools) so that they overlap with the beams of the lower staff. The fact that the beams are flat only makes this easier. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
On 25-2-2015 20:09, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Any other way? select the area with the selection tool, press alt-up or alt-down, depending on where the note originates. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
What Barbara describes is for cross-staff notes. You want them on the SAME staff. The only way to do that is using Special Tools and futz with the reverse stem and beam angle. If there are a LOT of these in your project, you could be in for a long day. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Hi all, I have a client score with many measures showing cross-staff notes on the same stem, but with the beam between the staves. (I think it's ugly, but that's how it's written.) Either I've forgotten how to do this or there's just an old kludge (entering notes in each staff and precisely overlapping the beams). Any other way? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
Hi all, I have a client score with many measures showing cross-staff notes on the same stem, but with the beam between the staves. (I think it's ugly, but that's how it's written.) Either I've forgotten how to do this or there's just an old kludge (entering notes in each staff and precisely overlapping the beams). Any other way? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
On Wed, February 25, 2015 2:23 pm, Chuck Israels wrote: You enter the notes in the “parent” staff, use the Note Mover/Cross Staff menu selection to move the notes you want into the other staff and then use one of the Special Tools to adjust the stems to the correct side of the moved notes and another to adjust the placement and angle of the beam. This doesn't seem to work when the notes are on the same stem with the beam in between. I end up with no stems on some of the notes. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
Hi Dennis, I do it with the beam between the staves too. It’s the way I’ve seen it in some published material. I don’t find it ugly, but it can be troublesome when there are tuplets involved (where to place the numbers?, along the beam can be awkward - maybe within a bracket above the whole group), or when between stave dynamics interfere. You enter the notes in the “parent” staff, use the Note Mover/Cross Staff menu selection to move the notes you want into the other staff and then use one of the Special Tools to adjust the stems to the correct side of the moved notes and another to adjust the placement and angle of the beam. I am not in front of Finale at the moment, and it always takes me a moment of fussing with the special tools to find the right ones and accomplish this, but it isn’t all that difficult. Hope this helps, Chuck On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Hi all, I have a client score with many measures showing cross-staff notes on the same stem, but with the beam between the staves. (I think it's ugly, but that's how it's written.) Either I've forgotten how to do this or there's just an old kludge (entering notes in each staff and precisely overlapping the beams). Any other way? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
I meant of course Lower the beams of the lower layer of the top staff ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
On Wed, February 25, 2015 3:19 pm, Barbara Touburg wrote: I meant of course Lower the beams of the lower layer of the top staff It's tricky. Depending on what PDF software is used, things are ever so slightly shifted. Here's another look, with almost everything positioned correctly now (the stems are still off in this rendering, which is docPrint Pro -- Finale's own export is slightly shifted). http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/cross-staff-same-stem2.jpg If anybody has a more effective (and faster) method, let me know. This page (11 measures for 4 pianos) has taken 5 hours so far. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
