[Finale] Ignore barlines

2011-02-26 Thread Andrew Parks
Is there any way to get Finale's music spacing (Apply Note Spacing) 
routine to ignore barlines? What I need is for the barlines to still 
print, but no extra horizontal space to be allotted for them.


Why would I make such a crazy request, you ask? I'm working on some 
hymns. If you look at older, hand-engraved hymn books, most of them 
employ this spacing technique. With several layers of lyrics, you 
usually have to steal as much horizontal space as you can to get 
everything to fit properly, so *not* leaving extra (wasted) space for 
barlines is one way to accomplish this.


I've tried making the barlines invisible and re-spacing. This helps a 
little, but not enough. If I could somehow take out the barlines, 
respace, and put them back in (being careful not to re-re-space!) that 
might be an option, but it seems like that might have other unintended 
side effects.


Have any of you had to do this?

--Andy Parks
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Re: [Finale] Ignore barlines

2011-02-26 Thread Florence + Michael
Go to Document Options  Notes and Rests and change the value for Spacing 
Before Music. If you set this to zero, the first note of the measure will be 
stuck to the barline, so its better to just reduce it to maybe half of the 
default value. You can also set a negative value for Spacing After Music, so 
by trying out different combinations for these two settings you should be able 
to achieve the result you want.

Michael

On 26 Feb 2011, at 17:02, Andrew Parks wrote:

 Is there any way to get Finale's music spacing (Apply Note Spacing) routine 
 to ignore barlines? What I need is for the barlines to still print, but no 
 extra horizontal space to be allotted for them.
 
 Why would I make such a crazy request, you ask? I'm working on some hymns. If 
 you look at older, hand-engraved hymn books, most of them employ this spacing 
 technique. With several layers of lyrics, you usually have to steal as much 
 horizontal space as you can to get everything to fit properly, so *not* 
 leaving extra (wasted) space for barlines is one way to accomplish this.
 
 I've tried making the barlines invisible and re-spacing. This helps a little, 
 but not enough. If I could somehow take out the barlines, respace, and put 
 them back in (being careful not to re-re-space!) that might be an option, but 
 it seems like that might have other unintended side effects.
 
 Have any of you had to do this?
 
 --Andy Parks
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Re: [Finale] Ignore barlines

2011-02-26 Thread SN jef chippewa


add a value to the extra space at the end box in the measure 
dialogue.  on an individual basis or select a group of measures.


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Re: [Finale] Ignore barlines

2011-02-26 Thread Christopher Smith
It is hard to find (took me a couple of minutes!), but it is in Document 
OptionsNotes and Rests...Spacing Before Music. Spacing After music is set to 
zero by default, so that each note takes up the space it is supposed to.

 It is also in TG Tools Pro. Under Spacing you have Make/Remove Space at end 
of Measure and Modify a measure's leading white space. I think this last one 
might do what you want on a per-measure basis.

Christopher


On Sat Feb 26, at SaturdayFeb 26 11:02 AM, Andrew Parks wrote:

 Is there any way to get Finale's music spacing (Apply Note Spacing) routine 
 to ignore barlines? What I need is for the barlines to still print, but no 
 extra horizontal space to be allotted for them.
 
 Why would I make such a crazy request, you ask? I'm working on some hymns. If 
 you look at older, hand-engraved hymn books, most of them employ this spacing 
 technique. With several layers of lyrics, you usually have to steal as much 
 horizontal space as you can to get everything to fit properly, so *not* 
 leaving extra (wasted) space for barlines is one way to accomplish this.
 
 I've tried making the barlines invisible and re-spacing. This helps a little, 
 but not enough. If I could somehow take out the barlines, respace, and put 
 them back in (being careful not to re-re-space!) that might be an option, but 
 it seems like that might have other unintended side effects.
 
 Have any of you had to do this?
 
 --Andy Parks
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