Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
shirling neueweise wrote: Yes, that's true. that's why I told you that you need to define TWO sets of regions, and you have to edit them EACH time you change view. ah so there is no permanence to this, every time you print you have to make sure the regions are set according to whether you are printing parts or score!? wow, that sux. Yes, it does suck, but at least it is possible. And it definitely warrants a feature request from everybody on the list so that the linked score/parts feature can become more useful. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
My shock at the new parts management window in Fin2K7 led me to a series of gaffs the first time I used it, so here is what I would suggest to get the deisred result. I had used the Extract parts feature, and in doing so used the Create Parts feature. When I got to the folder where I had directed the new parts to go to, I opened them and started doing layouts, page turns, etc. and all kinds of wierd behaviours occured trying to get them to do what I wanted, and eventually I did a Save As to the document to disconnect it(!) from the source doc. Then I could do whatever I wanted and get what I wanted. I ended us going to the Score Page Setup (which was now the place to make the global changes since this was now a stand alone doc) reformatted the frigging thing, Redefined all pages, and started from scratch to lay out the parts. It was a mess, and for the first time in 30 years of copying I had to call a client and tell them I wasn't going to be able to put music on their bandstand for the gig that night. I realize that my lack of familiarity with the new feature caused problems i could have avoided, but repeat visits to the documentation, user input, and forum comments have convinced me that this is a failed feature that has added more work to the task that I had mastered. I still have yet to get the down and dirty, but efficient, Extract Parts to... process back so I can move fast and productively with it. That, coupled with the playback issues (using Garritan/Konktakt2) have precluded my use of the UP(?)grade, and I'm wailing on Finale 2K6 with no issues except the time I wasted futzing with 2K7. none of this is possible. please express your grief over this issue to finale support, it is an unacceptable oversight and needs to be corrected. the suggestions i sent to them in december would allow you to do all you are asking. At 03:16 +0100 12/15/06, shirling neueweise wrote: MEASURE ** add checkbox for measure regions Show in Part (default = checked) ** ** allow unlinking of measure number positioning in parts ** -- this is terribly important, since the positioning concerns are so different in score and parts. ** add alternate default Positioning for parts ** -- measure numbers may be left-barline-aligned in parts but need to be moved slightly to the right in the score to avoid collision with the left barline connecting all staves in the system. Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar in small case below the bar. *I want my bar numbers to appear on the score in large case above the top part in a rectangle box. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
At 10:35 AM 2/19/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had used the Extract parts feature, and in doing so used the Create Parts feature. When I got to the folder where I had directed the new parts to go to, I opened them and started doing layouts, page turns, etc. and all kinds of wierd behaviours occured trying to get them to do what I wanted, and eventually I did a Save As to the document to disconnect it(!) from the source doc. Then I could do whatever I wanted and get what I wanted. I'm not sure what kind of problems you were having, but once you extract parts to separate documents (as opposed to just creating linked parts within your score), those parts are no longer in any way connected to the original source document. Doing an additional Save As does not change this. Linked parts are only linked when they're still contained within the score file. I still have yet to get the down and dirty, but efficient, Extract Parts to... process back so I can move fast and productively with it. I don't understand this comment. Extract Parts works just the way it always has. It's true that it does make you *generate* linked parts in the score before you can extract parts, but you don't need to actually *use* those linked parts. If you don't like linked parts, or if you don't have time to figure out new ways of using them, then you can basically ignore them. Just extract parts to separate files the way you always have. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
It was the Generate Parts feature that confused me, and the 3 window dialog box. At any rate, I will get up to speed at some point and in the meanwhile I will shut up about this because it's my fault for not taking the time that I currently don't have to train myself on the new feature. (which is still more cumbersome than it needs to be) At 10:35 AM 2/19/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had used the Extract parts feature, and in doing so used the Create Parts feature. When I got to the folder where I had directed the new parts to go to, I opened them and started doing layouts, page turns, etc. and all kinds of wierd behaviours occured trying to get them to do what I wanted, and eventually I did a Save As to the document to disconnect it(!) from the source doc. Then I could do whatever I wanted and get what I wanted. I'm not sure what kind of problems you were having, but once you extract parts to separate documents (as opposed to just creating linked parts within your score), those parts are no longer in any way connected to the original source document. Doing an additional Save As does not change this. Linked parts are only linked when they're still contained within the score file. I still have yet to get the down and dirty, but efficient, Extract Parts to... process back so I can move fast and productively with it. I don't understand this comment. Extract Parts works just the way it always has. It's true that it does make you *generate* linked parts in the score before you can extract parts, but you don't need to actually *use* those linked parts. If you don't like linked parts, or if you don't have time to figure out new ways of using them, then you can basically ignore them. Just extract parts to separate files the way you always have. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar in small case below the bar. *I want my bar numbers to appear on the score in large case above the top part in a rectangle box. Is there any way to do that? All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
none of this is possible. please express your grief over this issue to finale support, it is an unacceptable oversight and needs to be corrected. the suggestions i sent to them in december would allow you to do all you are asking. At 03:16 +0100 12/15/06, shirling neueweise wrote: MEASURE ** add checkbox for measure regions Show in Part (default = checked) ** ** allow unlinking of measure number positioning in parts ** -- this is terribly important, since the positioning concerns are so different in score and parts. ** add alternate default Positioning for parts ** -- measure numbers may be left-barline-aligned in parts but need to be moved slightly to the right in the score to avoid collision with the left barline connecting all staves in the system. Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar in small case below the bar. *I want my bar numbers to appear on the score in large case above the top part in a rectangle box. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
Kim Richmond wrote: Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar in small case below the bar. *I want my bar numbers to appear on the score in large case above the top part in a rectangle box. Is there any way to do that? All the best, KIM R Yes it's possible, but No, it's not easy. It's not too bad if you have a single measure number region, which Finale 2007 makes possible thanks to it's new Measure Attribute checkbox labeled include in measure numbers. You define two different regions. One you set to be how you want it (position, size, enclosure, etc.) for the score and the other you set to be how you want it for the parts. Depending on the view you're working in (score or one of the parts) you set that measure number region to display however you want it to starting with measure 1. You define the other region (which will be used for the other view) to display however you want it to starting with measure 500 (or some number larger than your work is, so it never displays). When you switch views, you have to then redefine the measure number regions so that the appropriate view will show starting with measure number 1 and the unused region to start showing with measure number 500 (or the large number you need so it won't appear at all.) Heaven help you, though, if you have more than one region. You would need to go through all that with two different regions for every single region in the actual music. Definitely something to petition Finale about (many of us have, but update patch c has come and gone with no change on this feature.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
At 8:21 AM -0800 2/18/07, Kim Richmond wrote: Perhaps this has been covered before, but now that I finally have MacFin2007c up and running, I'll ask. Is there a way to have bar numbers different in the score from the linked parts? *I want my bar numbers to appear on the parts to be every bar in small case below the bar. *I want my bar numbers to appear on the score in large case above the top part in a rectangle box. Actually I don't think Arabic numerals have upper and lower cases.* At least they don't on typewriter or computer keyboards. You just change the size. John *Based on the old typesetting practice in which individual letters were kept in cases or wooden boxes with the capitals mounted above, as I understand it. Made obsolete by Linotype machines. -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
Yes it's possible, but No, it's not easy. david, although i was excited to hear your comments, i don't think this works, i just tried it. i set up the two regions, and when i opened the part and redefined the regions, the changes were reflected in the score as well. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
At 04:04 PM 2/18/2007 -0500, John Howell wrote: Actually I don't think Arabic numerals have upper and lower cases.* At least they don't on typewriter or computer keyboards. You just change the size. In traditional typsetting, some fonts have separate sizes and widths for different purposes -- not quite upper and lower case, but sorted similarly (yes, many years ago I hand-set display type in a print shop). Accessing these additional numerical characters in computerdom means using a separate font version (the one that usually also includes a set of ligatures, swashes, etc.). It's very pretty; one of the folks on this list has some gorgeous examples. I think we had this discussion a few months ago. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
I believe that there is really is a upper/lower case arabic number set, but it is not used as much these days, mostly because of the computer. However, the only differences I recall is the 1 is 1/2 size, and looks like a short capital I; the 0 looks like a lower case o, and the 9 was a descender character, with the baseline being on the bottom of the circle part of the 9. I don't really speak with authority on this one, as I don't have the typesetting and font experiences others may have. Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 04:04 PM 2/18/2007 -0500, John Howell wrote: Actually I don't think Arabic numerals have upper and lower cases.* At least they don't on typewriter or computer keyboards. You just change the size. In traditional typsetting, some fonts have separate sizes and widths for different purposes -- not quite upper and lower case, but sorted similarly (yes, many years ago I hand-set display type in a print shop). Accessing these additional numerical characters in computerdom means using a separate font version (the one that usually also includes a set of ligatures, swashes, etc.). It's very pretty; one of the folks on this list has some gorgeous examples. I think we had this discussion a few months ago. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
At 05:26 PM 2/18/2007, Bruce K H Kau wrote: I believe that there is really is a upper/lower case arabic number set, but it is not used as much these days, mostly because of the computer. However, the only differences I recall is the 1 is 1/2 size, and looks like a short capital I; the 0 looks like a lower case o, and the 9 was a descender character, with the baseline being on the bottom of the circle part of the 9. We have had this part of the discussion before. You're talking about what are often called old-style or lowercase figures, as opposed to the lining figures most of us are familiar with. In many old-style sets, the 1, 2, and 0 are the same height as a lowercase x; 3, 4, 5, 7, and 9 are descenders like lowercase j; and 6 and 8 are ascenders like lowercase f. Many PC and Mac fonts can be purchased with old-style figures in addition to the usual lining figures. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
shirling neueweise wrote: Yes it's possible, but No, it's not easy. david, although i was excited to hear your comments, i don't think this works, i just tried it. i set up the two regions, and when i opened the part and redefined the regions, the changes were reflected in the score as well. Yes, that's true. that's why I told you that you need to define TWO sets of regions, and you have to edit them EACH time you change view. So when you are looking at the score in SCORE view, you need to set that measure number region so that it displays beginning with measure 1 and set the region you will use for parts so that it starts appearing at measure 500 or some other high number larger than your score really is. Then when you are looking at or printing PARTS, you need to edit the regions again so that the region set to display the numbers as you wish for parts will begin display with measure 1 and the region you've set up for the score will begin display with measure 500 (or whatever.) I said it's possible, but not easy. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LINKED parts/score, bars numbers
Yes, that's true. that's why I told you that you need to define TWO sets of regions, and you have to edit them EACH time you change view. ah so there is no permanence to this, every time you print you have to make sure the regions are set according to whether you are printing parts or score!? wow, that sux. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
