Re: [Finale] Sibelius usable for excerpt and test examples?

2005-07-10 Thread Will Roberts

Hi Rocky Road,

I should point out that I'm not very familiar with Sibelius 4 (I've 
downloaded the demo), but I have used Sibelius 3 at the school I work at 
for producing educational materials.



* Hide time signatures and key signatures


Yes.


* Hide rests


Yes.

* Measures which allow any number of notes in them (such as a notated 
scale of eight whole notes without needing to make a 32/4 time sig).


Yes, though Sibelius will rigidly enforce the current time signature 
while you're inputting, so you do have to use a dialog box to tell 
Sibelius to create a bigger bar.


* Move individual noteheads in a measure (eg: to make space at the end 
of a measure)


Yes, it's really easy: just select a note or bar line and drag it, or 
use a keyboard shortcut.



* Exporting of a selection to TIFF or EPS


Yes.  In my experience at least, EPS export works absolutely fine on 
Sibelius, but I've never been able to get it to work on Mac.  TIFF is 
also fine.


One of the advertised new features of Sibelius 4 is to copy and paste 
graphics directly from Sibelius to other programs.  This seems to work 
really well from what I've seen in the demo.  You select the bar or bars 
you want to export, choose Edit, Select, Select Graphic, then do Ctrl-C 
to put it on the clipboard, switch to your other application and do 
Ctrl-V to paste.


It looks a bit blocky from the demo, but the sparse docs with the demo 
list limiting graphics export to low-resolution as one of the 
limitations of the demo.


Best,
-WR
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Re: [Finale] Sibelius usable for excerpt and test examples?

2005-07-10 Thread Richard Smith

Rocky Road - in Oz wrote:

Can Sibelius

* Hide time signatures and key signatures
* Hide rests


Yes. Right click on the note, choose hide from the context menu.

* Measures which allow any number of notes in them (such as a notated 
scale of eight whole notes without needing to make a 32/4 time sig).


Not exactly but once you've hidden the time sig, why would it matter?

* Move individual noteheads in a measure (eg: to make space at the end of 
a measure)


Yes. Just drag the note. You will have to outthink the auto formatting but 
it can be done. You might also consider inputting a note or rest and then 
hidding it to leave space in a bar.



* Exporting of a selection to TIFF or EPS


Yes. In v.4 you can now export as a graphic directly to the clipboard and 
paste into any document that supports graphic pasting via standard windows 
methods. I am not familiar with Mac but know that similar capability exists.


Does Sibelius have this flexibility for measures that are a bit odd in 
their timing or positioning?


Yes. You can easily drag the left end of a stave to any indented position 
wanted. Dragging the right edge is not so well documented but if you point 
to the middle line, a little box (handle?) appears which you can then drag 
to right indentation you want.


You can also choose hidden as a staff attribute for any portion of a 
stave. Right click away any blank part of the page. Near the bottom of the 
context menu you will find change staff type. Select hidden. Point to 
where you want to start the hidden stave and click.  A selection rectangle 
appears. You can drag it to any position where you want to hide the stave. 
Repeating the process but selecting a normal stave will give you a pair of 
bookends that you may drag in either direction to choose precisely what 
parts of the stave you want hidden and what you want to be seen. It's much 
easier to do than to explain.


It is worth pointing out that Sibelius 4 also includes a worksheet creator 
with about 1700 resources that can be used either with a wizard or 
independently to create worksheets. It's very through and flexible.


Richard Smith
www.rgsmithmusic.com
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Re: [Finale] Sibelius usable for excerpt and test examples?

2005-07-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Jul 2005 at 15:33, Rocky Road wrote:

 PS: The huge discussion of Sibelius 4 here is the first time I've seen
 this list have more hmmm interesting rather than not bad, but no
 dice posts. I don't remember the tenor of potential Sibelius
 acceptance ever being as strong here before.

Seems to me that most of the hmm, interesting is coming from people 
who already had experience with Sibelius, and/or who are mostly just 
considering the dynamic parts, and not the program as a whole.

When I delved into it, I quickly determined that I couldn't switch to 
Sibelius for a number of reasons, none of which had to do with the 
classic Finale-user criticisms of Sibelius (i.e., restricts 
formatting choices, or it can't do something Finale can do).

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Re: [Finale] Sibelius usable for excerpt and test examples?

2005-07-10 Thread Robert Patterson
I wonder if it doesn't have as much to do with the lousy Fin06 feature 
enhancement list as much as anything in particlar about Sib4. I for one 
am certainly disappointed by the Fin06 list.


Rocky Road wrote:


PS: The huge discussion of Sibelius 4 here is the first time I've seen
this list have more hmmm interesting rather than not bad, but no
dice posts. I don't remember the tenor of potential Sibelius
acceptance ever being as strong here before.


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Robert Patterson

http://RobertGPatterson.com
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