Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: That's a most inventive workaround ... congrats ... Thank you. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
That's a most inventive workaround ... congrats ... Dean On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Richard Yates wrote: I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie that ends on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of the next system. How can I get rid of this? Assuming the note you are dealing with in the measure is a quarter note. Try this: 1) Create a tuplet, two quarter notes in the space of one quarter note. 2) Create a tie between the two quarter notes 3) In special tools, use the note-mover to the second note of the tuplet to exactly overlay the first note. 4) Use the tie-tool of special tools to move the tie from so that fits in the desired position. My preliminary test suggests this should give you exactly what you want, though I've not yet tested this exhaustively. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
Richard Yates wrote: I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie that ends on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of the next system. How can I get rid of this? Assuming the note you are dealing with in the measure is a quarter note. Try this: 1) Create a tuplet, two quarter notes in the space of one quarter note. 2) Create a tie between the two quarter notes 3) In special tools, use the note-mover to the second note of the tuplet to exactly overlay the first note. 4) Use the tie-tool of special tools to move the tie from so that fits in the desired position. My preliminary test suggests this should give you exactly what you want, though I've not yet tested this exhaustively. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 01.11.2009 Chuck Israels wrote: Richard, Option = in Speedy should accomplish what you want. It's supposed to leave a backwards "half" tie, and I think it works. the function is designed to "know" that the note is in a 2nd ending and then do the right thing. Try that. Chuck And the last time I looked it only worked in second endings. I'm pretty sure that's right, Johannes. The feature was probably implemented specifically to deal with second ending situations like this, and it didn't occur to the programmers that there might be other situations in which it might be useful. I know I'm nit picking, but perhaps this is more shortsighted than illogical. Chuck I could never understand why this feature was not extended to always work, there are many other situations where it would be useful. Oh well, Finale never did behave in a logical way, did it? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
On 01.11.2009 Chuck Israels wrote: Richard, Option = in Speedy should accomplish what you want. It's supposed to leave a backwards "half" tie, and I think it works. the function is designed to "know" that the note is in a 2nd ending and then do the right thing. Try that. Chuck And the last time I looked it only worked in second endings. I could never understand why this feature was not extended to always work, there are many other situations where it would be useful. Oh well, Finale never did behave in a logical way, did it? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
Richard, Option = in Speedy should accomplish what you want. It's supposed to leave a backwards "half" tie, and I think it works. the function is designed to "know" that the note is in a 2nd ending and then do the right thing. Try that. Chuck On Nov 1, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Richard Yates wrote: I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie that ends on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of the next system. How can I get rid of this? I made it real small and hid it on top of a nearby notehead but this seems rather inelegant (and hazardous if respacing is done). Is there another way? FinWin2007. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
Thanks, Mark. That did it. > -Original Message- > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu > [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:19 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end > > On Nov 1, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Richard Yates wrote: > > > I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one > > note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie > that ends > > on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it > > backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of > the next > > system. How can I get rid of this? I made it real small and > hid it on > > top of a nearby notehead but this seems rather inelegant (and > > hazardous if respacing is done). > > If the two notes aren't in the same layer, the tie won't try > to appear on the note in the following measure. > > Assuming you aren't already using all four layers, I would > suggest you make the note where you have the pulled-backward > tie in some unused layer. If necessary, you can leave the > note in its normal layer but make an extra copy of the same > note in the extra layer so that it overwrites it in the exact > same place (removing stem and flags if necessary) and use the > extra note just for attaching the tie to. > > (I'm pretty sure there's also a way to make the second-ending > tie behave properly, but this is my more general kludge for odd tie > situations.) > > mdl > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
On Nov 1, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Richard Yates wrote: I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie that ends on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of the next system. How can I get rid of this? I made it real small and hid it on top of a nearby notehead but this seems rather inelegant (and hazardous if respacing is done). If the two notes aren't in the same layer, the tie won't try to appear on the note in the following measure. Assuming you aren't already using all four layers, I would suggest you make the note where you have the pulled-backward tie in some unused layer. If necessary, you can leave the note in its normal layer but make an extra copy of the same note in the extra layer so that it overwrites it in the exact same place (removing stem and flags if necessary) and use the extra note just for attaching the tie to. (I'm pretty sure there's also a way to make the second-ending tie behave properly, but this is my more general kludge for odd tie situations.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Unwanted tie end
I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie that ends on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of the next system. How can I get rid of this? I made it real small and hid it on top of a nearby notehead but this seems rather inelegant (and hazardous if respacing is done). Is there another way? FinWin2007. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
